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#ACTIVETRADER Chat Room 9.11.01

 

 

Session Start: Tue Sep 11 00:00:00 2001

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[08:36] <jd43> good morning liz,is this slow normal
[08:37] <WallStArb>  An online advertising report from Internet and ebusiness statistics provider eMarketer, citing data from more than 50 research organizations, forecasts that online advertising spending will rise to $7.6 billion by the end of 2001, up 7% from the $7.1 billion spent in 2000.
[08:37] <WallStArb>  For 2002, the report forecasts online advertising expenditure of $10.3 billion.
[08:37] <WallStArb>  Asked if Yahoo wouldn’t suffer from falling online advertising prices due to the slowing economy, Mallett said, “We deliver high quality services and have competitive Web advertisement prices.” The group would therefore benefit from the growing online advertising market next year, he said, but didn’t elaborate.
[08:38] <^Eagle^>  Intel believes the Bluetooth specification and 802.11b are complementary technologies that address different wireless needs and will coexist in many environments).”
[08:38] <^Eagle^> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/21556.html
[08:38] <Light> there are now only 47 firms in all with price/sales ratios higher than 10. There are 4,167 stocks with more than $100 million in revenue. This means only 1 percent of stocks now have price/sales ratios greater than 10. No stock of scale has a price/sales ratio higher than 50.
[08:38] <BigPerm> PRESS RELEASE:Motorola Computer Expands Existing OEM Pacts
[08:39] <BigPerm> The agreement covers a broad range of embedded Ethernet products:
[08:39] <BigPerm> switches, adapters and PMC/PIM modules for CompactPCI chassis plus LAN
[08:39] <BigPerm> cards for the PCI bus. As part of the agreement, the OEM’ed products
[08:39] <BigPerm> will carry Motorola brand customizations, receive Motorola part
[08:39] <BigPerm> numbers and be sold through Motorola product catalogs. Some of these
[08:39] <BigPerm> products have been jointly engineered to contain special features or
[08:39] <BigPerm> configurations unique to Motorola Computer Group.
[08:40] <Light> eBay remains as the lone survivor untouched by the secular trend of a return to traditional valuations. Today, at a price/sales ratio of 25 and a price/earnings ratio of 180, it stands as a stubborn reminder of the bubble era valuations. Although it can rightfully claim to be the only real new business model ever invented on the internet, it is still grossly overvalued for its investment results.
[08:40] <Light> per briefing
[08:41] <sheywhite> ‘
[08:41] <DezertRat> hehe an all out attack on eBay
[08:43] <Commonman> Oh my God, now Soundview is cutting JDSU and others to
[08:43] <Commonman> 08:40 ET SoundView Cuts Telecom : Hearing from sources at SoundView Technology that the firm is downgrading several telecom equipment names this morning: JDSU to HOLD from Strong Buy, sees downside risk to $4-5.50 and cuts FY02 estimate to a loss of $0.04 from a profit of $0.06; NT to HOLD from Buy, sees downside to $4, FY02 goes to a loss of $0.44 from a profit of $0.02; OCPI to HOLD from Buy.
[08:43] <Commonman> Shameless scum
[08:43] <Commonman> JDSU drops from 180 and two firms on the same day set targets below today’s price
[08:43] <craigk2> boy, he is early to the game
[08:43] <ferrari> MATX have anything else in the pipeline or is it R.I.P.
[08:43] <craigk2> where has he been on mars?
[08:44] <DezertRat> wowo JDSU could go to $4 they say
[08:44] <Puma> new cnbc chief economist marci is nice
[08:44] <Bondzz> who did she replace?
[08:44] <Puma> new role
[08:44] <Bondzz> thx
[08:44] <CIAP> When they do this, it means the bottom is near.
[08:44] <Puma> she got a phd
[08:44] <Commonman> I always thought that was possible, but I didn’t think these guys would choose now to pull back the curtain and show the Wizard of OZ
[08:44] <Commonman> that’s almost treason
[08:45] <Puma> lo
[08:45] <Puma> marci will teach greenie a thing or two
[08:46] <JohnD9073> I think the prior chief economist wat Carrot Top.  He got a better gig though.
[08:46] <Puma> marci is cuter
[08:47] <Puma> marci reminds me of a young version of maria
[08:47] <lx2>  8:46am 09/11/01   [THQI] THQ IN PACT TO DEVELOP GAMES FEATURING BRITNEY SPEARS
[08:47] <Puma> cool!
[08:48] <AbsolutTrading> Good morning all 🙂
[08:48] <lisa> gm
[08:48] <WallStArb> SONE waning?
[08:49] <Irish3> Is Kathleen Tanzy gone ?
[08:49] <WallStArb1> 01/09/11 08:47  BT    DJN: *DJ S1 Sees 3Q Loss 53c-54c A Share, 4Q Loss 38c-41c A Share
[08:49] <WallStArb1> 01/09/11 08:46  BT    DJN: *DJ S1 Sees 2001 Rev $277M-$279M Vs Prior $275M-$285M View
[08:49] <WallStArb1> 01/09/11 08:41  BT    DJN: +DJ S1 Corp. Sees 2001 Loss $3.21-$3.25 A Share >SONE
[08:49] <WallStArb> ]w SONE
[08:49] <bucko> whats with the spoos
[08:49] <NadaClue>
12,0 SONE
whisper number:
3,0 N/A
consensus:
4,0 ($0.57)
earn date: 10/30/01
1,0yahoo earn date: July 31, 2001
[08:49] *** Guest61159 is now known as max-
[08:49] <Segman> futures slowly losing it
[08:49] <WallStArb> Wow
[08:49] <NadaClue>
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[08:49] <WallStArb> Totally lost it
[08:49] <lisa> yes, why is it
[08:49] <bucko> spoos red now
[08:49] <ferrari> what happened to futures
[08:49] <ferrari> news?
[08:50] <NadaClue>
14,0 7:49

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[08:50] * Yogibear101 good morning
[08:50] <CIAP> GOLD is spiking strongly.
[08:50] <Axel> any news?
[08:50] <k7> NAZ futures red
[08:50] <JohnD9073> gotta love it
[08:50] <appman> bomb blast world trade
[08:50] <Labowner> OMG
[08:50] <mauimark> oh my gawd
[08:50] <Axel> any news?
[08:50] <NadaClue>
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[08:50] <Puma> cnbc: bomb on World Trade Tower
[08:50] <^maxim^> lol rallies are sold even premarket..
[08:50] <DezertRat> oh my gawd
[08:50] <mauimark> plane hit it?
[08:50] <locust> plane hit world trade center ?
[08:50] <Puma> cnbc: bomb on World Trade Tower … terrorists?
[08:50] <Puma> …. plane hit  it
[08:51] <bobby44> should affect futs
[08:51] <Puma> according to cnbc
[08:51] <bucko> DJN: *DJ CORRECT:Plane Hits NYC’s World Trade Ctr,Not Fincl Ctr
[08:51] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 08:50:52)
[08:51] <bobby44> sorry shouldnt
[08:51] <bucko> buying qqq’s
[08:51] <DezertRat> CNN said 737
[08:51] <bobby44> should not affect it
[08:51] <Photon> That’s what wacked the Futs… they thought terrorism
[08:51] <ferrari> buying opp
[08:51] <DezertRat> a 737 hit world trade center
[08:51] <mauimark> how can a plane hit it in broad daylite
[08:51] <Puma> lo
[08:51] <StephenB> ohhhh
[08:51] <locust> kamikaze
[08:51] <Scorp^> on purpose mauimark – never know
[08:51] <ferrari> futures right back up
[08:51] <Puma> its saddam
[08:51] <mauimark> oh my gawd
[08:52] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Plane Crashes Into World Trade Center – CNN
[08:52] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 08:52:17)
[08:52] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> CNN confirming plane hit
[08:52] <locust> during WW2 a bomber flew into some building in NYC as well
[08:52] <bobby44> empire state ww2
[08:52] <Yogibear101> empire state building
[08:52] <Puma> World trade center damaged; unconfirmed reports say a plane has crashed into tower. Details to come.
[08:52] <ripvanw> that was Eimpire State
[08:52] <AbsolutTrading> Look wow
[08:52] <lisa> is it effect market?
[08:53] <Yogibear101> that HAD to be intentional
[08:53] <AbsolutTrading> World trade Center
[08:53] <Scorp^> probably worked there
[08:53] <Puma> massive HOLE in world trade center
[08:53] <Puma> on cnbc
[08:53] <Puma> geez, it looks bad
[08:53] <Mas> where’s the plane ?
[08:54] <Puma> inside the tower, it seems
[08:54] <Scorp^> what type of plane ?
[08:54] <Puma> 737?
[08:54] <DezertRat> MSNBC said plane is embedded in top floors
[08:54] <Yogibear101> wonder if it was a broker?
[08:54] <git> cnn ..person saying explosion from inside..hmm
[08:55] <Ingo> Hi
[08:55] <craigk2> this had to be terrorist attack
[08:55] <StephenB> another witness said “large commericial plane” on CNN Headline news
[08:55] <corruptor> man.. if someone told me last nite that a plane would crash into the world trade center causing us to open red i’d think they were crazy
[08:55] <pablito> w
[08:56] <bizee> cnn saying commercial jet?  holy moly
[08:56] <lx2> http://i.cnn.net/cnn/images/0109/top.wtc.jpg  picture
[08:56] <Yogibear101> who insures that building?
[08:56] <Puma> many people daed?
[08:56] <Mas> what is the bomb detection stock ?
[08:56] <craigk2> yes there will be
[08:56] <lx2> what type of plane?
[08:56] <t1>  America Online, Inc., the world’s leading interactive services
[08:56] <t1> company, today announced that the worldwide membership of its flagship
[08:56] <t1> AOL service has surpassed 31 million. Over the past year alone, AOL
[08:56] <t1> has added more than 7 million members.
[08:56] <Puma> short the WTC insurer
[08:57] <pttrdr> had to be a terrorist
[08:57] <sail> NBC has live pics
[08:57] <Puma> cnbc too
[08:57] <CIAP> A plane used to hit the Empire state
[08:57] <duke> CNN said it was a comercial jet
[08:57] <bobby44> the ww2 incident was related to fog
[08:57] <Puma> twin engine
[08:57] <meebbie> short commercial jet insurere
[08:57] <Puma> twin engine civilian plane
[08:58] <meebbie> 737
[08:58] <duke> 737 cnn
[08:58] <ghostship> CCN Vice Pres witnessed it, called it a 737 jet
[08:58] <Scorp^> wow, parts came out the other side
[08:58] <duke> big plane wow
[08:58] <Grag> 737 oh my
[08:58] <Puma> cnbc: suggesting a suicide mission
[08:58] <ferrari> just when you think its safe to enter some positions . .
[08:58] <locust> twin engine plane
[08:58] <Yogibear101> LOOK at the whole
[08:58] <Photon> How would they fight a fire like that
[08:58] <Yogibear101> hole
[08:58] <DezertRat> pray for those involved
[08:58] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> I’ve always been amazed how close we fly to WTC towers when flying out of Newark
[08:58] <Puma> my guess its saddam
[08:59] <locust> palestinians ?
[08:59] <Yogibear101> somebody get a helicopter up there
[08:59] <Puma> yeah maybe them
[08:59] <lx2> Airline???
[08:59] <Wolfwood> futures dropping on the plane crash?
[08:59] <mauimark> Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U  dont be  pilot wants to miss it
[08:59] <lx2> which airline
[08:59] <corruptor> ]f
[08:59] <pttrdr> if a terrorist  i am surprised they didnt have the plane chock full of dynamite to blow the whole top off
[08:59] <tHEfED> small jet…not an airliner
[08:59] <k7> futres drop on unknown
[08:59] <Labowner> shows just how skittish this market is
[09:00] <locust> would take more than a plane load of dynamite
[09:00] <mikew> well finally some news to get the networks off of Gary Condit
[09:00] <lx2> 737 not that smaøø
[09:00] <Puma> cnbc: conflicting reports
[09:00] <PT1> hole is too big to be a small plane imo, that’s one big gaping hole
[09:00] <locust> heavy beams dont go easily  although fire can be a problem
[09:00] <Markus2> someone said not commerical, small twin engine jet, private plane?
[09:00] <Puma> its has to be the arabs
[09:00] <Puma> small jet
[09:00] <dirty_harry> isn’t this typical, everytime market seems to go positive an act of terrorism sends market down the gutter again
[09:00] <WallStArb> Commericial jet??
[09:00] <meebbie> eye witness that it was a commercial jet….
[09:00] <git> nas fut red
[09:00] <StephenB> that’s what they said in the moments after Ok. City too Puma…careful there
[09:01] <meebbie> hole is pretty big….
[09:01] <Puma> wally: some saying commercial some saying civilian
[09:01] <Aardvark> antenna may take out a lot of broadcast around nyc
[09:01] * WallStArb buys QQQ
[09:01] <mikew> have to wonder how many folks in the floors above that are burning
[09:01] <git> If it was a commercial plane I am sure people would have seen it..
[09:01] <meebbie> they are saying that it didn’t look to be in trouble
[09:01] <WallStArb> Cell phone companies goign to have outages
[09:01] <bobby44> any market drop caused by this will reverse in days or less
[09:01] <Puma> massive hole on cnbc
[09:02] <Puma> witness say small jet plane
[09:02] <Puma> 737 maybe
[09:02] <meebbie> plane totally in the building according to CNN
[09:02] <Mas> bobby..we were on our way to first green green day and now this..nust have been a big short fling the plane
[09:02] <pttrdr> wow
[09:02] <Wolfwood> WOW
[09:02] <pttrdr> woiwowowow
[09:03] <Labowner> oh my word
[09:03] <meebbie> wow
[09:03] <Wolfwood> huge explosion
[09:03] <bizee> lots of smoke,
[09:03] <StephenB> oh geeze
[09:03] <pttrdr> terrorists
[09:03] <duke> dang
[09:03] <meebbie> explosion..
[09:03] <WallStArb> jesus
[09:03] <Scorp^> 2nd tower just exploded
[09:03] <Puma> the other building
[09:03] <bizee> good god
[09:03] <meebbie> this is terrorists….
[09:03] <Puma> two bombs
[09:03] <Aardvark> could be jet fuel
[09:03] <pttrdr> my god
[09:03] <Puma> one in each tower
[09:03] <Mas> what is the bomb detection stock ?
[09:03] <Ltdc> explosion in second building
[09:03] <Aardvark> INVN
[09:03] <Puma> two bombs, one bomb in each tower
[09:03] <Segman> thats a bomb
[09:03] <Scorp^> northeast corner of 2nd bldg
[09:03] <Puma> its the arabs
[09:03] <pttrdr> if the empire state building goes  i am going to my bomb shelter
[09:03] <Scorp^> guy says it is missing
[09:04] <WallStArb> They are saying another plane hit it
[09:04] <Puma> arabs seem to have blown up both the buildings
[09:04] <mikew> saw second plane just then
[09:04] <meebbie> oh my god…. perhaps 2nd plane
[09:04] <Scorp^> from the inside out – definate bomb on the 2nd
[09:04] <git> nas fut -20!!
[09:04] <fisher01> just saw a second plane on tv fly into center!
[09:04] <mikew> on TV they showed second plane
[09:04] <mainstreet> futures taking a hit with this
[09:04] <Puma> arabs seem to have blown up both the buildings .. two planes hit each building
[09:04] <tel> it was a second plane
[09:04] <CIAP> Second explosion look to be a bomb.
[09:04] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Not an accident anymore
[09:04] <PimpDiddy> no  terrissiom
[09:04] <WallStArb> thats terrorism
[09:04] <corruptor> ok
[09:04] <Puma> man, we gotta get these arabs b4 they kill us
[09:04] <WallStArb> we’re going to war
[09:05] <Puma> maria says 2nd plane hit it
[09:05] <Ltdc> Maria witnessed another plane hit the second tower
[09:05] <StephenB> yup…terrorists..no doubt
[09:05] <NadaClue>
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[09:05] <meebbie> this is war….
[09:05] <pttrdr> wow
[09:05] <JohnD9073> this is bad
[09:05] <Ltdc> check the futures
[09:05] <Puma> nuke these arab terrorists
[09:05] <meebbie> this is incredible…
[09:05] <craigk2> another one
[09:05] <mainstreet> wonder about # of casualties
[09:05] <WallStArb> oh my god
[09:05] <stockpimp> just turned on cnbc, what the hell is goin on ?
[09:05] <VeteranTrader> say a prayer for them,
[09:05] <lisa> yes, futures tanking
[09:05] <git> dow fut -120!!
[09:05] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> NBC has clr pixs
[09:05] <gauss> spoke to my brother many wall street firms evacuating bldg.
[09:05] <scorpio> where is the air force?
[09:05] <WallStArb> Terrorist attack on World Trade center
[09:05] <StephenB> stockpimp, you woundn’t believe us
[09:05] *** Guest66050 is now known as holy
[09:06] <stockpimp> oh my
[09:06] <holy> the future tanking
[09:06] <WallStArb> or two of the worst pilots in the world were flying together
[09:06] <mikew> this could shut down trading
[09:06] <Puma> Two planes, two arab terrorists >>> both towers badly damaged
[09:06] <Puma> NYSE evacuated
[09:06] <Puma> NYSE evacuated
[09:06] <hot> short everything!!!
[09:06] <DezertRat> close the markets
[09:06] <Puma> NYSE evacuated … geez
[09:06] <WallStArb> DOW -130
[09:06] <NadaClue>
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[09:06] <Puma> TERRORIST ALERT in Manhattan
[09:06] <PimpDiddy> the market might be CLSOED today
[09:06] <meebbie> CNN just showed second plane
[09:06] <PimpDiddy> clsoed
[09:06] <duke> cnn had second plane hit
[09:06] <PimpDiddy> closed
[09:06] <Scorp^> yep, saw it in slow mo
[09:06] <StephenB> I think they have to hold the market
[09:06] <mainstreet> futures just went from -130 to -20?
[09:06] <Aardvark> geez who would rent space in that building again
[09:06] <Ltdc> This day is not over. Let’s hope for the best
[09:07] <Yogibear101> prolly suicide short sellers
[09:07] <R> not funny yogi
[09:07] <bizee> cnn showing 2nd plane hit
[09:07] <R> this is serious
[09:07] <smile> thats because we have been pussyfooting around   we have been critical of israel for there actions now the shoe is on other foot hopefully we will be as bold as israel has been
[09:07] <duke> That second one was a very big plane
[09:07] <Hunter> this is not a joke or something to joke about
[09:07] <mainstreet> second plane has to be terrorists
[09:07] <Puma> We gotta get these Arabs b4 they kill us all
[09:07] <boardsport> cnn just showed the second plane
[09:07] <t1> agree Hunter
[09:07] <locust> i wouldnt doubt if there will be more kamikaze attacks
[09:07] <NadaClue>
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[09:07] <mikew> finding out who did it will be next to impossible
[09:07] <songw> this is the worse thing i’ve ever seen
[09:07] <scorpio> same here
[09:07] <bizee> horrible
[09:08] <Photon> So much for Bush’s Hands Off policy in the Middle East
[09:08] <Puma> These arab terrorists are nothing short of animals… they are DEAD MEAT~
[09:08] <lx2> will markets be closed???
[09:08] <Hunter> nyse being evacuated
[09:08] <lisa> everything drop
[09:08] <oak> that’s a LOT of smoke
[09:08] <Hunter> so there are no specialist
[09:08] <StephenB> can we wait before we start going after Arabs please
[09:08] <Labowner> agree Stephen
[09:08] <detexb> time to eliminate some countries in the mideast!
[09:08] <nape> we are under attack
[09:08] <meebbie> hopefully that second building had been evacuated….
[09:08] <PMA> just say pictures of 2nd plane on tv slow motion
[09:09] <oak> pma, which channel???
[09:09] <PMA> on bryant gumble station
[09:09] <PMA> 7 for me
[09:09] <papadoc> That it was Arab terrorists is to this point ONLY an assumption, not fact..
[09:09] <ferrari> how did the 2nd plane sneak in without the camera catching it
[09:09] <craigk2> it was on fox
[09:09] <kass> any stock to buy or sell on these news?
[09:09] <craigk2> you could see it
[09:09] <Enigma> wow! this is unbelievable
[09:09] <craigk2> 737
[09:09] <bucko> NYSE being evacuated
[09:09] <duke> CNN had second plane hit
[09:09] <StephenB> McVeigh was no Arab…but we sure were looking for one for awhile
[09:10] <nape> yes remember Oklahoma
[09:10] <Photon> They shut down the NYSE
[09:10] <oak> cnn replay
[09:10] <Puma> CNBC: they are ATTACKS
[09:10] <Commonman> obviously this is an attack
[09:10] <bucko> careful, naz may stop in sympathy
[09:10] <Commonman> any idiot could see that
[09:10] <JOHNNYBOY> kamikaze pilots
[09:10] <PT1> 2nd plane not a coincidence imo, last time terrorists bombed the same buiding if memory serves me correct
[09:10] <StephenB> that was a BIG airplane
[09:10] <Puma> It has to be muslim terrorists .. who else can it be
[09:10] <locust> wow kamikazes live
[09:11] <scorpio> where the planes coming from?
[09:11] <Puma> arabia
[09:11] <Aardvark> geez gonna need air force to protect major cities
[09:11] <Yogibear101> canada would be easy
[09:11] <holy> wait a minute,could it be someone who lose a ton of money
[09:11] <Puma> cnbc: cell phnes down in nyc
[09:11] <papadoc> Quit making assumptions……..
[09:11] <smile> once they pick up pieces we will know who is to blame
[09:11] <WallStArb> See ya palestinians
[09:11] <mikew> QQQs still trading over 34?
[09:11] <bucko> not funny
[09:11] <Grag> I think the world as we know it just changed
[09:12] <craigk2> im mad as real mad
[09:12] <Commonman> I just hope they didn’t commandeer a plane filled with people to smash into it..I hope that jet was empty
[09:12] <WallStArb> Start of a MAJOR potential war
[09:12] <Rimsester> otb123
[09:12] <skifreak> pat roberston said the other day watch for teriost attack on usa soon,guess he was right
[09:12] <Puma> bye bye arafat, bye bye saddam, bye bye arabs
[09:12] <finch> cud be bin laden
[09:12] *** Guest74598 is now known as PeteStock
[09:12] <hot> jep bin laden
[09:12] <Mas> whata re war plays ?
[09:12] <papadoc> Could have been a Zionist terrorist….
[09:12] <Jane> ]f
[09:12] <PimpDiddy> were those palnes or bombs
[09:12] <PimpDiddy> planes
[09:12] <oak> cnn replay
[09:12] <jane86z> my daughter works at World Trade – but I called her as she was leaving
[09:12] <Yogibear101> planes
[09:12] <Jane> futures
[09:13] <Matrix> market close today ?
[09:13] <meebbie> I really hope that they had already cleared that second building…..
[09:13] <PimpDiddy> 6 dead thousands injured
[09:13] <Puma> cnbc: FBI investgtaing a plane hijacking
[09:13] <Matrix> ]f futures
[09:13] <oak> cnn says it’s passanger jet, 100+ seats
[09:13] <jane86z> is this the future
[09:13] <mauimark> nuke the  terriost desert training sites now
[09:13] <Matrix> ]f
[09:13] <Puma> I agree mau
[09:13] <bizee> matt lauer saying building leaning
[09:13] <ta> I am sick to my stomach
[09:14] <Puma> i am ANGRY
[09:14] *** Guest45457 is now known as lola1
[09:14] <liz> i am sick too
[09:14] <jane86z> my heart hasn’t stopped since trying to reach my daughter.
[09:14] <scorpio> it looks like there were trying to take out a side of the building on that second plane
[09:14] <StephenB> at who?
[09:14] <mauimark> cant believe only 6 dead
[09:14] <Hunter> same here ta
[09:14] <Puma> cnbc: american airlines 757 airbus was hiajcked and crashed
[09:14] <Puma> cnbc: american airlines 757 airbus was hiajcked and crashed
[09:14] <meebbie> they say on purpose
[09:14] <Puma> yeah
[09:14] <sail> 2 planes hit it
[09:14] <Mas> where there passengers on plane ?
[09:14] <NadaClue>
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[09:14] <bubbles> 757 is a boeing
[09:14] <meebbie> United airlines
[09:14] <fugi> trade extremely carefully. choose few stocks. very volatile. could be break of support today
[09:14] <Kinny> that’s big plane
[09:14] <WallStArb> yes
[09:15] <Up_Put> American
[09:15] <ResearcherA1>                               ‘
[09:15] <Puma> man i wanna get my hand around these arabs necks
[09:15] <WallStArb> We may have US military actions stepped up in Mid East
[09:15] <smile> i think the budget talks are over
[09:15] <locust> stepped up may be an understatement wally
[09:15] <Photon> I’m out of all the longs I collected yesterday
[09:15] <fugi> break of support would be very bearish, but don’t get too short bec/ of volatility
[09:15] <Mas> maybe that is why fuel cell stocks popped yesterday
[09:15] <WallStArb> Wow
[09:15] <`rambler> lets not paint all  with one brush
[09:16] <liz> true
[09:16] * PimpDiddy covers ITWO short
[09:16] <Commonman> I had a flashback to Challenger when I saw that
[09:16] <PimpDiddy> on ISLD
[09:16] <Commonman> same knot in my gut
[09:16] <Puma> BBC News saying it is ARABS
[09:16] <Yogibear101> watch for the copy cats
[09:16] <mikew> this is the worst attach on the US since Perl Harbor
[09:16] <WallStArb> Yes
[09:16] <Diogenes> Banzai!!
[09:16] <Diogenes> Isn’t this wild folks??   INVN will be the play of the day, I’d wager
[09:16] <Puma> The offending countries are DEAD MEAT
[09:17] <boardsport> kick
[09:17] <liz> i hope so
[09:17] <VeteranTrader> allright already  puma
[09:17] <songw> prayers and thoughts with all my friends and countrymen in nyc this am
[09:17] <Puma> cnbc: Bush about to go on TV
[09:17] <lx2> :14am 09/11/01   FBI INVESTIGATING POSSIBLE PLANE HIJACKING – REPORT
[09:17] <lx2>  9:12am 09/11/01   [US:NOK, SE:000053994] NOKIA SAYS PHONE INVENTORY LEVELS NOW CLOSE TO NORMAL
[09:17] <PimpDiddy> bush porbably consulting cheny right now
[09:17] <DezertRat> yes songw
[09:17] <k7> nyse cancel today
[09:17] <Puma> cnbc: Bush about to go on TV .. soon will be live
[09:17] <Gr8-1> NYSE evacuated
[09:18] <Boogieman> markets we be halted
[09:18] <duke> CNN is that the plane sticking out of the second tower
[09:18] <Puma> New York Mercantile Exchange was in one of the towers
[09:18] <Diogenes> Songw…  I echo your prayers…    hopefully they were able to evaculate most of the upper stories in time before the 2nd attack
[09:18] <corruptor> are they halting the naz?
[09:18] <EricD> it would be smart just to cancel markets for the day until people recover
[09:18] <LiT-LadY> reported fbi  PLANE HIJACKING omg
[09:18] <Boogieman> I never felt rage like this before!!
[09:18] <^Eagle^>  Breaking News : News reports that a United Air Lines 757 Airbus was hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center. Both towers engulfed in flames and smoke.
[09:18] <PimpDiddy> this is very sick to watch
[09:18] <WallStArb>  09:18 Breaking News : News reports that a United Air Lines 757 Airbus was hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center. Both towers engulfed in flames and smoke.
[09:18] <Treller> Oh my we saw the second plane
[09:18] <Photon> Rage is what caused this Boogieman
[09:19] <deac> my radio has somebody in hotel across street- says people are jumping out of flames
[09:19] <pttrdr> remember this next time you vote
[09:19] <Diogenes> So let me guess… Israel will not have “carte blanche” to attack the Palestinians at their own will…
[09:19] <StephenB> and if the planes had just taken off, they’d have been full of fuel too
[09:19] <Puma> cnbc: ferocious fire stretching for many floors …. brutal
[09:19] <smile> it almost seems unreal like a movie
[09:19] <Diogenes> actually… will have carte blanche
[09:19] <deac> said building shook like earthquake when 1st explosion
[09:19] <bucko> DJN: *DJ United Air Worker:757 Airbus Hijacked Before Blast-CNBC
[09:19] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:19:19)
[09:19] <Matrix> the 2nd one .. that’s the one that got fishy
[09:19] <Puma> We should give Israel ALL the weapons it requests free of charge#
[09:20] <Diogenes> matrix…  there’s no doubt… I saw the footage of that second airplane diving into the building…    This was a deliberate suicide attack and I damn well know they aren’t Japanese
[09:20] <Puma> cnbc: both planes were hijacked
[09:20] <locust> someone’s declared war on us
[09:20] <mikew> amazing that CNBC seems to be on top of story better than CNN
[09:21] <VeteranTrader> they  are nbc
[09:21] <Diogenes> I’ll lay odds we’re talking about hundreds of dead…
[09:21] <incognito> Pearl Harbor
[09:21] <Threshr> dow futures falling even more
[09:21] <fugi> watch the Nazz big caps
[09:21] <StephenB> hijackers must have taken physical control of the planes, can’t believe a commercial pilot would aim his plane at the WTC even under the threat of death..could be wrong though
[09:21] <Photon> Thank God those attacks were 18 min apart
[09:21] * Yogibear101 sells CMTN
[09:21] <Diogenes> plunge protection team will be in force today
[09:21] <Bondzz> i would say more than a thousand dead
[09:21] <hot> if those planes that were hijacked were on some lines than it means that there were passengers – perhaps hundreds…
[09:21] <Kinny> what about the people in the hijacked plane
[09:22] <Puma> they’re dead
[09:22] <Gr8-1> UNBELIEVABLE !
[09:22] <Diogenes> kinny… good point..
[09:22] <Commonman> we don’t even know the plane was loaded
[09:22] <CIAP> GOLD spike this morning was cause by the plane crash.
[09:22] <Commonman> no point in guessing
[09:22] <xstanx> that was a full sized jet plane, this is sad
[09:22] <Diogenes> early morning flight into NYC??   Probably loaded for bear with passengers
[09:22] <incognito> another explosion
[09:22] <mainstreet> it’s a terrible event
[09:22] <Matrix> this is horrific
[09:22] <locust> this is the classic way to fight a power you cant match in the battlefield
[09:22] <Kinny> The internet is jambed  I’m hardly getting anything
[09:22] <locust> be prepared for more
[09:22] <EricD> nas open at 10
[09:23] <hot> NYSE delaying opening
[09:23] <Matrix> these planes must be loaded with people
[09:23] <Matrix> also
[09:23] <Commonman> a second explosion inside the building now
[09:23] <hot> NYC airports closed
[09:23] <theMAXX> 2nd?
[09:23] <theMAXX> you mean 3rd
[09:23] <Commonman> the fuselage may be a 2ndry explosion
[09:23] <VeteranTrader> grasso   wants to open,..  gimee  a break
[09:23] <Diogenes> unfortunately, I’m jaded by these kinds of things, having been involved in the Oklahoma City Bombing emergency relief effort.
[09:23] * Yogibear101 shorts NVDA
[09:23] <mainstreet> CBOE is open
[09:23] <Puma> cnbc: FBI confirms ‘foul play’
[09:23] <ResearcherA1> The values of our society putting life as supreme importance has not reached arab ‘foul play’
[09:24] <Gr8-1> HA!
[09:24] <skifreak> nas may open at 10:00
[09:24] <Diogenes> foul play???   GEEZUS!!!  who are these “spin doctors”
[09:24] <Mas> puma..our fbi is right on it..foul play..no kidding
[09:24] <bh> markets should be shut down for the day..
[09:24] <locust> foul play my a33 – act of war !
[09:24] <Gr8-1> posibly 2 blind pilots?
[09:24] <Diogenes> I need a smoke folks..  INVN will be the play.. .because these guys had to be able to get on that plane with weapons in the first place
[09:24] <incognito> 9:22am NYSE STILL DECIDING ON WHETHER IT WILL OPEN ON TIME
[09:24] <incognito> <t1> [08:23] <hot> NYSE delaying opening
[09:24] <jy> ]f
[09:24] <mikew> if airport security is really that tough then how can 2 hi-jackings occur, I think security is and never will be tough
[09:24] <Commonman> the market is practically within smoke-smelling distance
[09:24] <pttrdr> war against whom?
[09:24] <HeadFake> This is too much pandomonium to trade
[09:24] <beatrizz> activetrader el canal
[09:24] <bucko> naz delayed opening
[09:25] <bucko> DJN: *DJ NYSE Delaying Trading Opening Until Further Notice
[09:25] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:25:06)
[09:25] <duke> INVN is a good call
[09:25] <Labowner> need to just close the markets period for the day..forget this delay
[09:25] <Commonman> you can’t have super security in a free country..never will
[09:25] <bh> nuke whatever country is behind this
[09:25] <Puma> I agree
[09:25] <NadaClue>
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[09:25] <boardsport> we should perma ban those in this room that are joyfully capitalizing on this tragedy.
[09:25] <mikew> hi-jacking can not occur without gun, they walk right in with guns, security is a farce
[09:26] <ResearcherA1> American Express Co. (AXP), located at 3 World
[09:26] <ResearcherA1> Financial Center and across from the World Trade Center explosion, is
[09:26] <ResearcherA1> telling employees to stay put.
[09:26] <Photon> US has always been negligent on airport security… flew to Mexico during the Gulf War and Mexican airports were much more vigilent
[09:26] <t1> [B] –CNN: Statement from US President Bush expected shortly
[09:26] <Puma> yes, bush on soon
[09:26] <six-seven-six> trade
[09:26] <pttrdr> please remember this when you vote
[09:27] *** pttrdr was kicked by Scorp^ (Scorp^)
[09:27] <smile> if you want security try flying el al
[09:27] <git>  WHITE HOUSE BOOSTS SECURITY MEASURES-DJNEWS
[09:27] <StephenB> nice kick…hope for more
[09:27] <git>  DJN: *DJ FBI Across The U.S. On High Alert – CBS
[09:27] <AnnaInVA> just heard one trader called and said we are f&*ing dying
[09:27] <Commonman> Idiot..like this is a voting issue
[09:27] <Photon> Not sure I want to see an “unscripted” Bush
[09:27] <Scorp^> been watching the tube insstead of this channel
[09:27] <bobby44> remeber when we vote?what does that mean?
[09:27] <Commonman> who knows?
[09:27] <Puma> Anna: you sure?
[09:27] <xstanx> those poor people and their familys
[09:27] <HeadFake> World Trade Center website down:  http://www.wtca.org/
[09:28] <PimpDiddy> hes gonna be sweating bullets
[09:28] <Puma> man, this is terrible
[09:28] <Schooner> Nasdaq still opening?
[09:28] <t1> at 10:00 Schooner
[09:28] <EricD> nas opneing at 10
[09:28] <Yogibear101> both those buildings are going to take a long time to fix
[09:28] <CIAP> ECN are trading like usual.
[09:28] <AnnaInVA> Puma, I am watching ABC
[09:28] <kass> REDI not trading
[09:28] <six-seven-six> disgruted day-trader? or rag-head?
[09:28] <EricD> cnbc still one of the best reporting
[09:28] <pitviper> }q
[09:28] <Puma> thx anna
[09:28] <pitviper> ]f
[09:28] <bh> is it unamerican to short today?
[09:29] <EricD> no- thats very american
[09:29] <Mas> War will get us out of recession
[09:29] <gtt> those are sprinklered buildings, appears to be primarily content (carpets etc) fire
[09:29] <Puma> Merrills, AMEX, oppenheimer undamaged
[09:29] <diesl> agree mas
[09:29] <Commonman> Anyone with a shoulder launcher could put us at risk any given day
[09:29] <Commonman> the risk has been there for decades
[09:29] <bucko> AMEX shutting down for day, per cyber, ie QQQ
[09:29] <FC>
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[09:29] <lisa> is nasq still open as usual?
[09:29] <CIAP> Sprinkler pipe must be broken and cannot extinguish the fire.
[09:29] <mikew> CNN should close up shop, CNBC a business channel far superior, amazing
[09:29] <boardsport> bush on
[09:29] <bh> uh oh
[09:29] <Puma> Bush on
[09:29] <StephenB> bush
[09:29] <diesl> all exchabnges may be hurt but mm never affected
[09:29] <NadaClue>
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[09:30] <Matrix> market close?
[09:30] <locust> MMs busy shorting
[09:30] <mrube> smoke will kill more than the explosion. Pray for them
[09:30] <JettiSon> he’s at another elementary school… omg
[09:30] <VeteranTrader> amex  clsing for the day
[09:30] <bucko> AMEX CLOSED TODAY
[09:30] <WallStArb> No QQQ
[09:30] <WallStArb> Amex closed
[09:30] <git> NEW YORK TV QUOTES POLICE SAYING WORLD TRADE CENTER PLANES
[09:30] <git>     HIJACKED FROM BOSTON
[09:30] <Photon> AMEX shut down for the day
[09:30] <StephenB> poor kids
[09:30] <VeteranTrader> Q s  can trade on isld  i think
[09:30] <VeteranTrader> or nyse
[09:30] <ResearcherA1> “…. attack on our country” ….
[09:30] *** StephenB was kicked by Scorp^ (Scorp^)
[09:30] <VeteranTrader> (if it opens)
[09:30] <bucko> isld will be forced to shut down, imo
[09:30] <six-seven-six> i heard the building were evacuated before the crashes..is this correct?
[09:31] <CIAP> Logical choice for exchanges is to closed today.
[09:31] <Puma> cnbc: Bush pledges to hunt these terrorists down
[09:31] <DezertRat> Bush is angry
[09:31] <Puma> i am too
[09:31] <VeteranTrader> 676  they  orderd the evac of the 2nd tower after the 1st crash/explosion
[09:31] <mikew> how can an exchange trade stocks on the worst day in American history since Pearl Harbor?
[09:31] <six-seven-six> thx
[09:31] <Photon> Bush is shaken
[09:31] <deac> pten in the drillers had large option buying monday
[09:31] <bh> six– only the second building was evacutaed
[09:31] <Puma> We all are
[09:31] <smile> this could be bushs desert storm
[09:31] <Grag> I think they just woke the giant again
[09:31] <ResearcherA1> if he sees it as attack on our country, woe to the host country of perpetrators.
[09:31] <VeteranTrader> they were only 18 mins apart so  it is unknown  how many got out
[09:31] <mrube> we’re all shaken
[09:31] <WallStArb> ]f
[09:32] <ballou> Confirmed, AMEX not trading the remaining of the day  Options or Equities
[09:32] <pre-cha> offical nasdaq open delayed untill 10 a.m.
[09:32] <ballou> Nazdaq open at 10 am
[09:32] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> only 18 minutes between crashes, not enough time to fully evacuate imo
[09:32] <jane86z> Nasdaq – they should be boycotted if they open
[09:32] <meebbie> i think markets will close…. there isn’t really any question here…. this is horrible….
[09:32] <Aardvark> ecn’s open?
[09:32] <VeteranTrader> i think they should,.  but grasso  wants to be a hero
[09:32] <NadaClue>
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[09:32] <Treller> The NASDAQ should not open at all
[09:32] <ballou> Possible NYSE trading but opening delayed
[09:32] <DezertRat> I’m just glad Cramer isn’t on CNBC today commenting
[09:32] <xstanx> airforce now protecting ny city skys
[09:33] <JohnD9073> if they stop everything, the terrorist win though.
[09:33] <Commonman> New York will be in mourning…they’ll close
[09:33] <pre-cha> ecn’s and isld open
[09:33] <gauss> i used to work in wtc lots of people in at 8am
[09:33] <Wizski> This is worse than Pearl Harbor imo, this is an attack on unarmed civilians.
[09:33] <CIAP> Are you in NY WallStArb at Mariner?  They cut power?
[09:33] <xstanx> ny city skys a no fly zone now
[09:33] <meebbie> how did the plane get all the way from Boston…. was it a commuter…
[09:33] <Commonman> too many people on the exchange have to have personal connections
[09:33] <jane86z> if exchanges open – then they are (forgive the expression) ‘capitalist pigs’
[09:33] <bizee> should close both for day
[09:33] <kane-afk> right Wizski
[09:33] <bucko> DJN: DJ Plan Hijacked From Boston -CNBC
[09:33] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:33:42)
[09:33] <PimpDiddy> those scars will be visible for months terrible
[09:33] <six-seven-six> worse than OKLAHOMA or the last trade center bombing?
[09:33] <Puma> jane: i disagree .. we must not give in to terrorism
[09:33] <corruptor> worse
[09:33] <WallStArb> Yes this is MUCH worse then oklahoma
[09:33] <xstanx> im not in a mood to trade no way
[09:34] <jane86z> those buildings are a medium sized city
[09:34] <Jena> all of manhattan is sealed off
[09:34] <Hunter> this is gonna be worse
[09:34] <Aardvark> 12,000 people at peak in trade centers I think
[09:34] <corruptor> oklahoma didn’t send us to war
[09:34] <AnnaInVA> WallStArb, are you safe ?
[09:34] <WallStArb> This will be a financial catastrophe
[09:34] <bizee> dont those buildings hold 80K or so workers?
[09:34] <corruptor> this may
[09:34] <Hunter> 40k aardvark
[09:34] <WallStArb> many large firms are in there
[09:34] <mikew> the worst is yet to come….they don’t have the clout to buy nuclear weapon yet from the Chinese
[09:34] <Puma> jesus
[09:34] <meebbie> closing is not giving in….
[09:34] <VeteranTrader> closing is prudent  imo
[09:34] <Hunter> cbc says 40k people workin combined towers
[09:34] <WallStArb>  09:32 President Bush Comments : Bush calls World Trade Center crash an “apparent terrorist attack.”
[09:35] <Puma> i feel bad for the victims… this is a disaster
[09:35] <diesl> ur dreaming mikew they tons of money
[09:35] <Hunter> how the f can they hijack 2 godamn airplanes in one morning
[09:35] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Terra Nova not accepting new trades
[09:35] *** Guest03726 is now known as birdman
[09:35] <bobby44> wally – remember the towers were closed after the wtc bombing and it wasnt catastrophic
[09:35] <jane86z> at least they did it before most had arrived at work, but many many ppl in the streets
[09:35] <Treller> Outbound GW only. Can not go into NYC
[09:35] <WallStArb> Not to make light of previous incidents, but this will have a large human and financial toll
[09:35] <Hunter> agree wally
[09:35] <Puma> true
[09:35] <jane86z> mega mega Wally
[09:35] <mikew> Hunter the US has really no airport security, those guys at those worthless machines are nearly asleep everytime I walk through
[09:35] <Jena> nYC fire dept. issuing a “total recall” “all hands on deck” .. all firefighters asked to report
[09:35] <bobby44> no major financial computers in those floors or in most of the center itself
[09:35] <incognito> I want to cry
[09:35] <Puma> many thousandswork there
[09:35] <Aardvark> who would ever work in those buildings again?
[09:36] <PimpDiddy> mike the kings of all the arabs countries combined have mor ethan bill gates
[09:36] <Hunter> very tragic, and very huge effect.
[09:36] <Aardvark> make them a monument to the horror of terrorism?
[09:36] <WallStArb> 09:35 Nasdaq Delayed : Although we have yet to receive confirmation, Nasdaq trading also appears to be halted.
[09:36] <jane86z> message to us – you cannot protect yourself if we are willing to commit suiside
[09:36] <mikew> in many 3rd world countries I visit I’m searched from head to toe, not here
[09:36] <bucko> PALESTINIAN DFLP CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR WORLD TRADE CENTER
[09:36] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:36:25)
[09:36] <bucko> ATTACK-ABU DHABI TV
[09:36] <bucko>  REUTERS
[09:36] <Puma> its the arabs, i knew it
[09:36] <ResearcherA1> source, bucko?
[09:36] <Puma> thx bucko
[09:36] <corruptor> ]f
[09:36] <ResearcherA1> tks
[09:36] <bucko> reuters
[09:36] <WallStArb> ]f
[09:36] <jane86z> there is too much chaos now to know the truth
[09:36] <boardsport> cnn showing plane hitting again
[09:36] <Matrix> oh no
[09:37] <pre-cha>  Soes and Snet are not open.
[09:37] <fugi> I would thin out some longs, but I would not get too short. very dangerous
[09:37] <HeadFake> American 767 crashed into second building on CNN.
[09:37] <Matrix> 10am for nasd
[09:37] <Wolfwood> can anyone get to cnn.com?
[09:37] <Krawuttke> its  bin laden  imo
[09:37] <salpalsal2> Mikew:  My son use to clean aircraft between flights at an unnamed airport.  There was no security … he didn’t have to wear his id badge
[09:37] <locust> of the arabs – wacked out plaestinians
[09:37] <dumper> Datek not even taking phone calls
[09:37] <NadaClue>
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[09:37] <Puma> If its the Palestianians, we gotta go and help Israel bigtime
[09:37] <smile> we should go in and just take over all mid east oil
[09:37] <bigpappa> no wolfwood
[09:37] <locust> arafta just blew it
[09:37] <diesl> ur fight puma
[09:37] <locust> arafat
[09:37] <Wolfwood> thanx big
[09:37] <Threshr> that might make things worse smile
[09:37] <diesl> thius iright
[09:37] <CIAP> Amex will not trade options today witch seems to means all exchanges will be closed today.
[09:37] <Puma> arafat is dead meat
[09:37] <Jabez> Maria Bartiromo I guess was outside and saw it happen! woa…
[09:37] <jane86z> just remember – we blamed Oklahoma on the arabs at first – so hold your conclusions
[09:38] <Krawuttke> this can mean war !
[09:38] <theMAXX> true
[09:38] <locust> no doubt syrians involved in this as well
[09:38] <boardsport> cbs nwo
[09:38] <Photon> I really doubt that Arafat was directly involved
[09:38] <smile> worse?
[09:38] <boardsport> now
[09:38] <Hunter> Jabez, cbs has a perfect shot of the second plane
[09:38] <fugi> do not jump to conclusions. Keep a clear head
[09:38] <Jena> Subways shut down in NYC .. “full terrorism alert”
[09:38] <sunnyyyy> Palestinian DFLP claims responsibility for WTC attack.  Abu Dhabi TV – Reuters
[09:38] <Scorp^> been busy – are futures and all stocks shut down ?
[09:38] <Puma> Arafat is dead
[09:38] <smile>   its about time we werent wimps
[09:38] <Puma> Arafat is dead meat
[09:38] <jane86z> locust – ther is doubt about all of at at this stage – except no doubt at death
[09:38] <ResearcherA1> not only Arafat, but barbarian cohorts
[09:38] <R> yea, don’t cast blame till we know for certain who it is, pointless to at this stage
[09:38] <sunnyyyy>  Reports that we have now scrambled USAF jets into the (closed) airspace around Manhattan, with orders to shoot down any intruding aircraft.
[09:39] <Jerry> this could be the beginning of attcks in other cities also
[09:39] <NadaClue>
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[09:39] <bucko> POLICE TELL BYSTANDERS THIRD PLANE MAY BE APPROACHING WORLD
[09:39] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:39:10)
[09:39] <bucko> TRADE CENTER
[09:39] <bucko>  REUTERS
[09:39] <jane86z> hey folks – cut all the speculation said as fact
[09:39] <Diogenes> Yeah… about time someone scrambled some fighters
[09:39] <sail> explosion at pentagon now, on nbc
[09:39] <sunnyyyy> really sail?
[09:39] <mikew> I doubt a 3rd plane is coming, two buildings two planes is my guess
[09:39] <sail> yeah
[09:39] <moatie> really sail
[09:39] <sunnyyyy> not on cnbc
[09:39] <Diogenes> Pentagon??   I’m not hearing anything and I’m only a couple of miles from there
[09:39] <sail> nbc
[09:39] <moe> honestly this is a trading room, with people from different ethnicities, lets not blame countries or people until we know the facts, this was the reaction of everyone with the Oklahoma bombing, blaming the middle east and we know who really did that one, so please lets not presume. tia
[09:39] <Ltdc> There’s always other targets. But let’s hope not
[09:40] <PimpDiddy> OKC bombing blamed on arabs but turned out ot be plain old bubba
[09:40] <xstanx> CNN has a news server on irc
[09:40] <sail> voice report
[09:40] <ResearcherA1> sail… ?
[09:40] <jane86z> sail – you are a kerk
[09:40] <jane86z> j
[09:40] <bizee> where stan
[09:40] <gauss> water suplies in ny are very  vulnerable to terrosits
[09:40] <CIAP> In this room we know more then the TV.  The power of chat technology 🙂
[09:40] <Paid4it> MSNBC explosion at pentagon
[09:40] <Jabez> Is there a 3rd plane on the way? heard rumor of that….
[09:40] <JayT> The Pentigon…something exploided at the Pentigon
[09:40] <pttrdr> PENTAGON?
[09:40] <WallStArb> [09:40] <Paid4it> MSNBC explosion at pentagon???
[09:40] <Jena> what???
[09:40] <Jabez> Paid4it seriously?
[09:40] <salpalsal2> sunnyyyy it’s too late
[09:40] <Puma> pentagon bomb
[09:40] <Paid4it> on msnbc now
[09:40] <Mas> this is the first time we are not going to get a MAXX..”just trade”
[09:40] <smile> nbc explosion at pentagon
[09:40] <Jerry> cnn fire at pentagon
[09:40] <fugi> don’t let anger cloud your judgement. Keep cool.
[09:41] <Puma> bomb in pentagon?
[09:41] <Puma> geez
[09:41] <locust> lol  chinese bought condo complex within full view of pentagon – sale was allowed by klintoon’s people after pentagon protrests
[09:41] <StephenB> I’d like to apologize, I made a comment some thought was anti-Bush when I said “poor kids” as the pres. came on, what I meant as a former teacher, it is very tramatic to have the president come to your school only to have him ripped away by an incident like this…I hope people know I don’t take cheap shots like that..sorry for confusion
[09:41] <Parlay> you gotta be kidding me?
[09:41] <Jena> can anyone access a news web site? I cant thru to any of them
[09:41] <pitviper> how long are the markets delayed until?
[09:41] <xstanx> NBC REPORTS: Small blast at the pentagon
[09:41] <salpalsal2> I don’t believe for a minute that the Chinese had anything to do with this
[09:41] <VeteranTrader> thnx  stephne
[09:41] <jane86z> CNN – reports of fire at pentagon
[09:41] <PeteStock> CNN reports fire at Pentagon
[09:41] <Diogenes> if it was a small bomb, I wouldn’t have heard it
[09:42] <ResearcherA1> nyse.. closed ‘until further notice’
[09:42] <Photon> Cool down… no way China has anything to do with this
[09:42] <deac> well veteran gold got a pop
[09:42] <locust> guess again salpalsal   they’ve been rebuild Irag’s defense communications infrastructure
[09:42] <scorpio> NBC pics of the pentagon
[09:42] <deac> nbc ch 4 has pentagon bomb
[09:42] <Commonman> I didn’t realize the passenger plane was from Boston
[09:42] <mikew> not smart to attack the US when a fairly hard core Republican is at the helm, if you attack you attack when softee is running it
[09:42] <Aardvark> wabc say maybe plane into pentagon
[09:42] <therainbow> Los angeles airport flights delayed to 3 pm
[09:42] <Commonman> that almost certainly means it was full
[09:42] <scorpio> bomb detinated at heliport at pentagon
[09:42] <pttrdr> geez  that is alot of smoke
[09:42] <Commonman> I thought it was from a NY airport
[09:42] <JT> we are uinder attack in the usa
[09:42] <Diogenes> I can see the smoke from the Pentagon… definite confirmation
[09:42] <boardsport> huge fire at pentegon
[09:42] <sunnyyyy> u can not blame all individuals of any race for action taken by some deralects
[09:42] <pttrdr> lots of pentagon smoke
[09:42] <Commonman> if from Boston, the terrorist probably didn’t take control til it got new NY..to avoid interception
[09:42] <StephenB> Pentagon attacked
[09:42] <Paid4it> unreal
[09:43] <bucko> WHITE HOUSE SAYS ORDERING IMMEDIATE EVACUATION OF WHITE HOUSE
[09:43] <jane86z> sail – I apologize
[09:43] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:43:08)
[09:43] <bucko>  MORE
[09:43] <deac> now colin powell as sec of state makes sense 🙂
[09:43] <BMW_MPower> CNBC said Boston airport
[09:43] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> CBS has live pix of pentagon
[09:43] <Ltdc> Live picture on nbc of pentagon
[09:43] <meebbie> CNBC just getting the pentagon pics
[09:43] <bucko> naz open 11:30 earliest
[09:43] <Segman> Huge fire at the pentagon
[09:43] <corruptor> we’re being attacked
[09:43] <VeteranTrader> nazdaq  delayed until at ;east  11:30
[09:43] <Jerry> people in chicago  L.A.    better go home
[09:43] <craigk2> pentagon
[09:43] <Matrix> we being attacted big time folks
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[09:43] <locust> this will be a wakeup call for the pacifists in the country
[09:43] <ResearcherA1> white house attacked?
[09:43] <boardsport> cbs say it was a bomb at pentegon
[09:43] <Matrix> they just pulled another one in washington
[09:43] <fugi> look at the qqq
[09:43] <Diogenes> MSNBC reporting fire at heliport… (always thought that would be a target given it’s proximity to a roadway that takes you to memorial bridge
[09:43] <Matrix> forget it
[09:43] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Huge Plume Of Smoke At Pengtagon – CNN
[09:43] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:43:44
[09:43] <meebbie> white house evacuation
[09:43] <locust> everybody doesnt deserve the same respect
[09:43] <fugi> qqq = 32.75
[09:43] <corruptor> what just happened in washington?
[09:43] <stckhunter> airplane or bomb at pentagon
[09:43] <StephenB> Pearl Harbor comparison is looking more apt every minute
[09:44] <Diogenes> The Chinese Curse….  May we live in interesting times
[09:44] <fugi> qqq= 32.5
[09:44] <bucko> Planes in Trade Center explosion were hijacked-TV
[09:44] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:44:08)
[09:44] <bucko>     NEW YORK, Sept 11 (Reuters) – A New York television station
[09:44] <bucko> reported that law enforcement officials said the two planes
[09:44] <bucko> that crashed Tuesday morning into the World Trade Center were
[09:44] <bucko> highjacked flights originating in Boston.
[09:44] <Wolfwood> White house being evacuated and Pentagon
[09:44] <stockpimp> agreed locust !
[09:44] <deac> heliport bombed next to pentagon
[09:44] <WallStArb> ]f
[09:44] <salpalsal2> terrorism beginning it’s campaign to knaw away at the core of the US
[09:44] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Aircraft Crashes Into Pentagon – Witnesses
[09:44] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:44:12)
[09:44] <locust> kamikaze attack on pentagon
[09:44] <bucko> omg
[09:44] <NadaClue>
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[09:44] <EMOS2> oh my god
[09:44] <pttrdr> (DOW JONES)   DJN: *DJ Aircraft Crashed Into Pentagon -CNBC
[09:44] <pttrdr> DJN: *DJ Aircraft Crashed Into Pentagon -CNBC
[09:44] <bubbles> isnt the pentagon protected by ground to air missles?
[09:44] <meebbie> this is sickening….
[09:44] <stckhunter> I’m in shock
[09:44] <WallStArb> Futures arent correct are they
[09:45] <WallStArb> QQQ is – 1.60
[09:45] <DezertRat> bubbles I guess not
[09:45] <Threshr> white house on fire also?
[09:45] <^maxim^> signs of our times.. sad
[09:45] <Diogenes> Bubbles… no…  The white house is, but not the Pentagon
[09:45] <SonicJoe> looking like we are under attack!
[09:45] <Photon> No… CBOE closed
[09:45] <Jabez> palestinian group reported that they are responsible for planes
[09:45] <WallStArb> thats like -70
[09:45] <ResearcherA1> PALESINIAN GROUP claims wtc responsibility..
[09:45] <scorpio> where is the airforce?
[09:45] <Hunter> they halted wally i believe
[09:45] <bucko> get the friggin bopmbers in the air
[09:45] <NadaClue>
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[09:45] <cotton> world powers have always been subjected to such attacks the english the romans etc
[09:45] <Kinny> futures froze?
[09:45] <bigpappa> 08:47] <scorpio> where is the airforce?
[09:45] <t1> closed Kinny
[09:45] <bh> time for Israel to get out the nukes
[09:45] <mikew> these are most likely hi-jacked airplanes with hundred or more onboard, where is our airport security, tragic
[09:45] <fugi> keep cool, don’t let anger dominate
[09:45] <bigpappa> what the hell are they gonna do
[09:45] <NadaClue>
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[09:45] <pre-cha> futures not trading
[09:45] <Diogenes>  I’m not seeing any fighters being scrambled out of Andrews yet either
[09:45] <bigpappa> shoot down all the airliners?
[09:45] <Jabez> Palestinean group claining responsibility for planes on WTC’s
[09:45] <smile> its all the same people who are against the death penalty until there child gets murdered  same atitude toward israel ..how terrible to attack pal.  now we all want blood
[09:45] <deac> futs closed 9:30
[09:45] <ghostship> *DJ Palestinian Grp Claims Attack On World Trade Center -Sky
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[09:45] <finch> PALESTINIAN DFLP OFFICIAL DENIES GROUP RESPONSIBLE FOR WORLD
[09:45] <finch> <oldmankangnews> (Reuters 09/11 06:45:25)
[09:45] <finch> <oldmankangnews> TRADE CENTER CRASH
[09:45] <Parlay> smile, please.
[09:45] <Jerry> ALL EXCHANGES SHOULD CLOSE NOW
[09:45] <deac> ecns still trading on my screen
[09:45] <TrueGold> airplanes fly over the Pentagon everyday — on landing pattern for one of the runways at national airport
[09:46] <Tango> we will retaliate as soon as we find out
[09:46] <boardsport> cbs showing video again
[09:46] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Third Plane Hijacked: Sky News Of London Reports
[09:46] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:46:18)
[09:46] <lapilot> catch 22, shoot down a jet liner to keep it from running into the buildings or crash into the ground and kill those on the ground
[09:46] <bh> anything short of a nuke is too weak
[09:46] <Photon> Exchanges should stay open if possible IMO
[09:46] <diesl> how can u attack a passanger airplane?
[09:46] <gauss> clancey’s book debt of honor  plane attack on congress
[09:46] <Matrix> whoolly smokes
[09:46] <corruptor> 3rd plane?
[09:46] <StephenB> there are 2 airplanes that are going to be missing at their arrival gates pretty soon…that’ll settle it
[09:46] <meebbie> smoke in Washington
[09:46] <smile> its true i love those hollier than thou until it affects them
[09:46] <StephenB> very sad
[09:46] <ta> NOOOOOOOOOO, UNREAL
[09:46] <bucko> U.S. TREASURY BEING EVACUATED – EYEWITNESS
[09:46] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:46:54)
[09:46] <bucko>  MORE
[09:46] <hot> smoke in washington?!
[09:46] <Jabez> Are these reports of a 3rd plane en route to the WTC’s legitimate???
[09:46] <Matrix> we may have to go to war
[09:46] <ZOOS150> fire at Washington bridge
[09:46] <bizee> washington mall now?
[09:46] <Wolfwood> is pre market trading still happening?
[09:47] <Matrix> no way .. this is horrific
[09:47] <tfr> 3rd plane landed at pentagon
[09:47] <patman> this is war
[09:47] <Jabez> ok tfr
[09:47] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Washinton Mall Also On Fire -CBS
[09:47] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:47:20)
[09:47] <finch> U.S. TREASURY BEING EVACUATED – EYEWITNESS
[09:47] <Jabez> bodies have begun falling from the building
[09:47] <meebbie> bodies falling from buildings at WTC…
[09:47] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Pentagon Is Site Of Explosion; Unknown If Plane Involved
[09:47] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:47:43)
[09:47] <Jabez> oh my.
[09:47] <locust> people jumping out of buildings
[09:47] <DezertRat> I’m crawling into my foxhole
[09:47] <boardsport> get this guy off
[09:47] <deac> trades going by on my screen csco intc amcc
[09:47] <Jabez> they have placed a glass canopy
[09:48] <EricD> faa grounding all planes
[09:48] <Jabez> falling 75+floors
[09:48] <Jerry> PLANE crashed into PENTAGON   CBS news
[09:48] <Tango> hes reporting the news , that is what is happening
[09:48] <bucko> DJN: DJ Pentagon -2: Aircraft Crashes Near Pentagon
[09:48] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:48:26)
[09:48] <AbsolutTrading> The PENTAGON now confirmed
[09:49] <tfr> <Qube>   The pentagon has just had another plane fly into it
[09:49] <ResearcherA1> Palastinian Claimed Responsibility For 2 WTC Blasts-CNBC (DowJ)
[09:49] <StephenB> I have no regular hours trades on my screen here..premarket ticker is all I have, ending at 930
[09:49] <Parlay> second plane into pentagon?
[09:49] <smile> i guess the racism conference feels this is ok
[09:49] <WallStArb> Oh my god
[09:49] <mikew> airport and flight security needs total revamp, it’s non-existant
[09:49] <PimpDiddy> now PLO denies make up your mind
[09:49] <Scorp^> same here StephenB – is anything trading ?
[09:49] <Matrix> OH NO
[09:49] <Ltdc> All bridges and tunnels into NYC closed
[09:49] <meebbie> Palestinians…. just denied responsibility
[09:49] <Matrix> this is big time …
[09:49] <JT> no flights anywhere now
[09:49] <StephenB> nothing I see
[09:49] <t1> those comments don’t help smile
[09:49] <Jabez> palestinians denied responsibility
[09:49] <JT> shutdown
[09:49] <Wolfwood> they might change DEFCON level on this
[09:49] <Matrix> forget trading man …
[09:49] <deac> marketwise this could be the washout everybody been wanting
[09:49] <patman> so if i hear a plane now its military
[09:49] <deac> http://toplist.island.com/toplist/top20.jsp
[09:50] <VeteranTrader> ya  or about to be shot down
[09:50] <corruptor> this just got way worse than pearl harbor
[09:50] <deac> they are trading toplist changes by the minute
[09:50] <Scorp^> all airport takeoffs shut down – nationwide
[09:50] <PimpDiddy> all flights cnacelled
[09:50] <locust> now we’re hostage to 3rd world terrorists
[09:50] <PimpDiddy> USA
[09:50] <VeteranTrader> haynes  says  “palestinians  dont have this kind of muscle”
[09:50] <PimpDiddy> jet fighters in DALLAS now
[09:50] <bucko> U.S. FAA SAYS ALL PLANES BEING HELD ON GROUND
[09:50] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:50:01)
[09:50] <bucko>  MORE
[09:50] <duke> Wow all planes has that ever happened?
[09:50] <xstanx> FAA halted all planes nation wide
[09:51] <StephenB> I don’t think there ever has been a nationwide halt
[09:51] <smile> t1 didnt you hear all the comments out of the conference  its about time the u.s.a. takes some action
[09:51] <meebbie> of couse they hav this kind of muscle…. they have been fighting like this for years…
[09:51] <PimpDiddy> wow i can see them in dallas
[09:51] <deac> put the video tape on that tv picture trade centers and pentagon
[09:51] <Jena>  virtually Every building in lower manhattan have been evacuated.. ppl clogging streets… running in panic…
[09:51] <Commonman> Haynes is wrong…it doesn’t take a nation to hijack a few planes
[09:51] <Commonman> anybody could do it
[09:51] <seawind> ABC has pentagon
[09:51] <ResearcherA1> is there anybody here from manhattan
[09:51] <speedy> y
[09:51] <speedy> very  sads
[09:51] <bucko> U.S FAA SAYS PLANES ALREADY IN AIR CAN PROCEED TO DESTINATION
[09:51] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:51:52)
[09:51] <bucko> OR NEAREST AIRPORT
[09:51] <bucko>  MORE
[09:51] <bucko> thats dumb
[09:51] <speedy> many  friends  live and work down there
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[09:52] <WallStArb> Alt energy stocks will be well bid
[09:52] <ResearcherA1> describe scene, plz
[09:52] <WallStArb> when oil spikes
[09:52] <detexb> CNBC needs to take the ticker & banner off the screen, it covers 1/3 of the screen
[09:52] <Jerry> AIR FORCE ONE  FLYING COMMAND POST WITH FIGHTER ESCORTS  can stay in air for days
[09:52] <Segman> Amsterdam trading halted due to sharp falls
[09:52] <six-seven-six> bush is going to fly!!!!
[09:52] <meebbie> well i guess that Bush wont get shot down….
[09:52] <Dionysus-> I heard the Pentagon was hit
[09:53] <revv> Who would want to fly now?
[09:53] <Markus2> My girlfriend they are evacuating the Sears tower in Chicago
[09:53] <smile> this is unlike oak. because too many targets  must be an organization
[09:53] <lapilot> http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757-200/product.html
[09:53] <Tango> good point
[09:53] <seawind> ABC has pentagon film
[09:53] <VeteranTrader> if they can   hold all planes on the ground,..  grasso  can surely  shut down for the day
[09:53] <mauimark> si want to see nuke in desert where desert terroist train  that might slow recruiting
[09:53] <mikew> my guess – I read a report few weeks ago that guns are being made that look like cell phones
[09:53] <PimpDiddy> and biigest buildings in dallas too
[09:53] <FiNnZ> cbot is evacuating
[09:53] <Jerry> FAA closes all airports in U.S.
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[09:53] <six-seven-six> maybe those world trade org. protesters..
[09:54] <ta> ANYTHING HAPPENED ON THIS DAY BEFORE??????????/
[09:54] <fugi> csco down 2.7%
[09:54] <ZOOS150> reports of a 3rd plane
[09:54] <holy> nas closed till  11.30
[09:54] <bucko> Palestinian DFLP denies World Trade Center crash
[09:54] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:54:27)
[09:54] <bh> how the hell a plane get near the Pentagon? That airspace is highly restricted
[09:54] <Yojimbo> Anyone know where to get video on the NET?
[09:54] <WallStArb> Kill the CAPS
[09:54] <CIAP> All air traffic web link are overload or unavailable.
[09:54] <Jerry> AIR FORCE ONE in the air now
[09:54] <dumper> Did anyone think maybe they are trying to get bush airbore ?
[09:55] <tck> I grew up across the river in Brooklyn heights,to see this makes me cry,Sorry
[09:55] <bh> what if it’s friends of McVey?
[09:55] <holy> 9:51 ET Nasdaq Delayed : Bloomberg reporting that Nasdaq trading will be closed until 11:30 ET.
[09:55] <VeteranTrader> i dont hink hes got friends
[09:55] <Jena> thats ok tck.
[09:55] <PimpDiddy> INCA halted
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[09:55] <Parlay> bh, you’re an idiot.
[09:55] <dumper> I bet Air Force One has huge fighter around it
[09:55] <bobby44> are stock futures closed ?
[09:55] <DezertRat> dumper yup
[09:55] <lapilot>  if the 757 was the 300 series, that one has 231 pax seats plus crew
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[09:55] <bucko> CME SAYS TO SUSPEND TRADING IN ALL PRODUCTS AT 9:15 A.M. CDT
[09:55] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 09:55:35)
[09:55] <bucko>  REUTERS
[09:55] <Tango> well if Mcvey bombed okc they could do it in nyc
[09:55] <gauss> i always thought starwars was a joke  real threat is terrosits caryyiny nukes into the country we r vulnerable to that threat
[09:55] <bh> parlay, they said PLO blew up OK City too.. moron
[09:55] <deac> gold futs appear halted up 6.3 at 280
[09:55] <HeadFake> Let’s pray that those planes are empty.
[09:56] <bigpappa> usually there are not many people flying on a tuesday though
[09:56] <WallStArb> QQQ trade 32.65
[09:56] <bigpappa> which is cold confort i guess
[09:56] <patman> i dont hear jets ariund these nuke plants here….
[09:56] <ResearcherA1> Was Arafat invited to White House ever?
[09:56] <fugi> msft down 2.5%
[09:56] <patman> yet
[09:56] <mikew> what plane at 8:30 AM take off is ever empty?
[09:56] <incognito> yes
[09:56] <Ltdc> You would think the a terrorist would have to fly the plane themselves. No commercial pilot would do that even with a gun to their head.
[09:56] <StephenB> 1 plane not empty…it was a Boston to Los Angeles flight being reported on New England Cable News
[09:56] <tck> I used to work down there,and i am sick
[09:56] <WallStArb> OIl should rally
[09:56] <holy> War coming
[09:56] <locust> that 2nd plane going into the building was aiming at the corner – possibly trying to take out a supporting beam
[09:56] <WallStArb> OIL and gold
[09:56] <Suzanne> guys i dont know what to say, but i implore each and everyone of us to try to remain as calm as we can, and focus on getting CORRECT news in here so we can be as well informed as we can, speculation will only add to the fear and namecalling wasnt ok with policy in here yesterday and it wont be acceptable in here today
[09:56] <tfr> they have received “credible terrorist attach threat against white house”
[09:56] <pablito> European markets down hard
[09:56] <EricD> is nas still going to open @10?
[09:57] <Boogieman> agree locust
[09:57] <Suzanne>
4guys i dont know what to say, but i implore each and everyone of us to try to remain as calm as we can, and focus on getting CORRECT news in here so we can be as well informed as we can, speculation will only add to the fear and namecalling wasnt ok with policy in here yesterday and it wont be acceptable in here today
[09:57] <WallStArb> Alternative energy stocks should get some interest on oil
[09:57] <deac> csco leading trader by those who can trade 14.05 last
[09:57] <tck> Thnx Suzanne we do need calm
[09:57] <ZOOS150> looks like work of OSama Bin Laden
[09:57] <holy> 9:51 ET Nasdaq Delayed : Bloomberg reporting that Nasdaq trading will be closed until 11:30 ET.
[09:57] <xstanx> our markets need to stay closed!!!!
[09:57] <Parlay> nas scheduled for 11:30 open, but i doubt it.
[09:57] <deac> !world
[09:57] <Segman> Suzanne..thanks
[09:57] <EricD> good. I dont want to deal with trading
[09:57] <Scorp^> once a plane is in the air – anyone can fly it
[09:57] <LitDeVIL> I agree ZOOS150
[09:57] <Paid4it> island still trading
[09:57] <VeteranTrader> yea i see q  prints on isld
[09:57] <smile> laden is a very rich  he could do this
[09:57] <pre-cha> Nasdaq open now planned for 11:30 ET
[09:58] <LitDeVIL> that is terrbile
[09:58] <locust> girfriend works at naval base – going to threatcon delta
[09:58] <dumper> I dont see anything trading ecept ecns
[09:58] <Jerry> exchanges will not open
[09:58] <NadaClue>
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[09:58] <NadaClue>
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[09:58] <NadaClue>
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[09:58] <WallStArb> DIA $95 -1.50  or 150 points worth
[09:58] <bucko> DJN: DJ US/Airline Takeoffs -2: Bridges, Tunnels To NYC Shut Down
[09:58] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:58:15)
[09:58] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> FAA now ordering all planes to land
[09:58] <StephenB> what’s “delta” threatcon?  bad?
[09:58] <LitDeVIL> all planes across the country not aloud to be flying
[09:58] <PimpDiddy> short airlines, travel stocks, hotels, vegas stocks
[09:58] <Scorp^> told to land at nearest airport
[09:59] <Parlay> what the hell happened?
[09:59] <meebbie> another explosion
[09:59] <ResearcherA1> further explosions ?
[09:59] <meebbie> this is terrible….
[09:59] <Scorp^> turn on any radio or TV Parlay
[09:59] <meebbie> oh my god..
[09:59] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> new explosion in second tower
[09:59] <Parlay> jesus.
[09:59] <duke> Oh jesus
[09:59] <tradingtrader> no TV in new york
[09:59] <locust> oh man this is a war now
[09:59] <hot> tower crashED
[09:59] <holy> war  war
[09:59] <LitDeVIL> new explosion
[09:59] <tradingtrader> except 1 station
[09:59] <Jerry> ANOTHER EXPLOSION AT WORLD TRADE CENTER
[09:59] <meebbie> look at those picuters
[09:59] <Jabez> imagine the rush to get out of the buildings
[09:59] <smile> this is getting if possible worse
[09:59] <tradingtrader> I can’t get any TV signal
[09:59] <ZOOS150> looks like tower is crashing
[09:59] <Jabez> yes see that Jerry
[09:59] <bucko> DJN: *DJ White House Received ‘Credible Threat’ Of Attack – CBS
[09:59] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 09:59:40)
[09:59] <tradingtrader> I can’t get TV in new york
[09:59] <locust>  threatcon delta  is terrorist attack
[09:59] <Parlay> tower just collapsed.
[09:59] <PimpDiddy> 3RD ECPLOSION
[09:59] <Commonman> now the smoke is at the lower levels…I hope they are out
[09:59] <Jerry> TRADE CENTER HAS COLLAPSED
[09:59] <bizee> why smoke coming from below WTC?
[09:59] <StephenB> another plane or crumbling building?
[10:00] <meebbie> one of the wtc is down…
[10:00] <boardsport> the other tower is gone
[10:00] <Kinny> I don’t see the other tower
[10:00] <Hunter> its gone
[10:00] <pttrdr> the tower is gone
[10:00] <holy> damn whoever do this is going pay dearly
[10:00] <locust> this what happens when we become fat and complacent
[10:00] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> second tower collapsed
[10:00] <LitDeVIL> man people be crazy to be hanging out in that building today trading
[10:00] <StephenB> look at that pic of Manhatten on cnbc!!
[10:00] <pttrdr> my god
[10:00] <meebbie> they got what they wanted… the must have planned that perfectly…. taking out support
[10:00] <locust> tower came down ?
[10:00] <patman> i am getting ill
[10:00] <Jena> Tower has collapsed
[10:00] <ResearcherA1> one of towers collapsed
[10:00] <^maxim^> one of the two is down
[10:00] <StephenB> people if you’re in NYC get on your bike and get the @@@@ out!
[10:00] <bizee> oh my god
[10:00] <pttrdr> the tower is gone
[10:00] <Enigma> wow!!!11
[10:00] <Tango> im getting sick
[10:01] <corruptor> my gawd…
[10:01] <Matrix> what happened ?
[10:01] <corruptor> i am in awe
[10:01] <ferrari> 20 minutes away from WTC here
[10:01] <bucko> ONE OF WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS COLLAPSES AFTER PLANE
[10:01] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 10:00:39)
[10:01] <bucko> ATTACK-LIVE TV
[10:01] <bucko>  REUTERS
[10:01] <stockpimp> im sick
[10:01] <Analyst2> oh my god
[10:01] <tradingtrader> damned there is NO TV signal
[10:01] <^maxim^> not even in sci-fi movies
[10:01] <Jabez> settle down
[10:01] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Third Explosion In NY Financial District
[10:01] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 10:00:46)
[10:01] <Ltdc> When you think this can’t get worse
[10:01] <Enigma> oh my god
[10:01] <Jabez> There is no need to get into hysteria over this
[10:01] <meebbie> how did that 3rd plane get in there….
[10:01] <duke> My God
[10:01] <smile> how did another plane get through
[10:01] <StephenB> maxim, truth is stranger than fiction…so sick
[10:01] <pttrdr> look at the smoke
[10:01] <stockpimp> ABC show collapse !!
[10:01] <^maxim^> yes stephen
[10:01] <Parlay> maybe not a plane. we don’t know what it was.
[10:02] <fugi> Do not be hysterical. This is very very sad.
[10:02] <locust> must have been a bomb in the basement
[10:02] <LitDeVIL> gas tank in plane
[10:02] <six-seven-six> too intellegent for PLO or ARABS..this is well orginized….
[10:02] <ZOOS150> bin laden
[10:02] <CIAP> Military plane will cover the NY area for securing it.
[10:02] <songw> oh no
[10:02] <smile> locust he just said plane!
[10:02] <StephenB> they’ll be lucky to open the markets tomorrow… oh the people… 🙁
[10:02] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> corner that was hit collapsed after fire weakened steel imo
[10:02] <^maxim^> I just hope this is not a preview of things to come
[10:02] <Jabez> Might be from that peice of the WTC falling off the second tower
[10:02] *** Babsi1 is now known as Babsi2
[10:02] <Ltdc> The poor firefighters in that building
[10:02] <AnnaInVA> I cannot call out, all LD phone lines are busy
[10:02] <tck> look what they did to my hometown
[10:02] <Kinny> the smoke covers the whole manhatten
[10:02] <Wolfwood> cant call NJ all circuits busy
[10:02] <gtt> interior columns gave out
[10:03] <DCarey> here too anna in NJ
[10:03] <TMaid> NJ cellular works
[10:03] <Parlay> just a thought: is it a coincidence that the alt fuel stocks popped yesterday?
[10:03] <Commonman> There’s no way that big an area was cleared
[10:03] <getaclu> where is air force and air natl guard!
[10:03] <Jabez> They actually show a plane crashing into the wtc wow
[10:03] <R> Parlay…I hoped to God that they are not related
[10:03] <Commonman> I’m shaking at the thought of how many people were at the base of the WTC area
[10:03] <VeteranTrader> dunnp parlay  but  gas mask stox  perked up in tokyo  the day  before those subway attacks
[10:03] *** Guest15314 is now known as birdman
[10:03] <mikew> how can our plane let a 3rd one hit?
[10:04] <dumper> more peolple going to die from thesmoke now this is not good
[10:04] <ZOOS150> the whole tower is gone
[10:04] <locust> thank you klintoon you p.o.s.
[10:04] <sail> gov’t still mobilizing, this only happened about 1 hr ago
[10:04] <locust> gutted the military
[10:04] <smile> this doesnt look real  tragic!
[10:04] <Parlay> locust, please.
[10:04] <HeadFake> Martial law at all airports please.
[10:04] <Photon> Military will secure NYC IMO
[10:04] <Commonman> How many people are choking in smoke in lower Manhattan?
[10:04] <BMW_MPower> smile, my sister lives in NYC…It looks tragic to me
[10:05] <ResearcherA1> trying to phone middle east.. unable to get connected for past quarter hour
[10:05] *** smile was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[10:05] <pttrdr> CBS showing the collapse
[10:05] <locust> this is a disaster
[10:05] <StephenB> how many other neighboring buildings just got wiped out when that tower collapsed
[10:05] <Kinny> yes
[10:05] <deac> ftse off 11% other room says
[10:05] <locust> many stephen many
[10:05] <six-seven-six> no martial law..thats gives your freedom away.
[10:05] <Hatch> I’m just sick, cancelling my appointments today
[10:05] <StephenB> **sigh**
[10:05] <fisher01> rumor has it 7 planes hijacked
[10:06] *** Guest59033 is now known as smr
[10:06] *** Guest14645 is now known as Scottie
[10:06] <verona> I am in Italy  and they just said on tv that there is an attack in chicago??
[10:06] <cotton> 676 thats a real concern too
[10:06] <meebbie> if 7 hijacked… still 3 in the air….
[10:06] <Paid4it> FTSE down 4.3%
[10:06] <ResearcherA1> rumor.. source?
[10:06] <Wolfwood> how many people coulb be in WTC tower that collpased?
[10:06] <locust> whole city blocks wiped out
[10:06] <WallStArb> !world
[10:06] <FiNnZ> i haven’t heard anything abouth chicago
[10:06] <meebbie> !world
[10:06] <tradingtrader> right during rush hour
[10:07] <Threshr> becouse we left the racism conference?
[10:07] <DezertRat> nbc just showed the collapse
[10:07] <getaclu> a lot of poor firemen woolfword
[10:07] <NadaClue>
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[10:07] <NadaClue>
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[10:07] <DezertRat> it just fell in on itself
[10:07] <cotton> another chat room freedom of speech gone now
[10:07] <Scottie> d7714
[10:07] <jnsaff> “The top half of the tower just collapsed,” Reuters
[10:07] <Ariconda> russian tv tells about palestinian org. involved
[10:08] <PimpDiddy> ABOUT 40,000 PEOPLE WORK IN BOTH TOWERS COMBINED
[10:08] <Cha-ching> and make them pay
[10:08] <deac> middle east tension was increasing iraq claimed deaths yest from our air strikes
[10:08] <Iveagh> is today a US holiday?
[10:08] <FiNnZ> no
[10:08] <WallStArb> There are 20 – 30,000 people in there at 9am rush hour in the subways
[10:08] <FiNnZ> not holiday
[10:08] <locust> i wouldnt doubt if china was in on this in some way
[10:08] *** Iveagh was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[10:08] <mikew> airpoint security stocks are bid up, they should be bid way down, they failed us
[10:08] <Jabez> wow
[10:09] <WallStArb> ANY COMMENTS that are deemed insensitive or just plain STUPID will result in permanent bans
[10:09] <Aardvark> mikew – we never spent enough on them
[10:09] <t1> thx WallStArb
[10:09] <EricD> good wally
[10:09] <boardsport> good arb
[10:09] <Rimsester> isld finally stopped
[10:09] <Aardvark> funding still not cleared congress for all air security this year
[10:09] <AbsolutTrading> Tnx Wally
[10:09] <Hunter> ty wally
[10:09] *** qwe is now known as Targetman
[10:09] <detexb> I am sure my brother will remember his birthday today for the rest of his life
[10:09] <holy> way togo wally
[10:09] <gauss> day of infamy
[10:10] <Jane> my bday too
[10:10] <cotton> all markets down for day ?
[10:10] <Parlay> cotton, probably.
[10:10] <seawind> This dwarfs Pearl Harbor & Ok city combined
[10:10] *** Targetman is now known as Targetman2
[10:10] <theMAXX> halted
[10:10] <CIAP> Cotton delayed for now, will probably closed.
[10:10] <gauss> so many peolpe died
[10:10] <Targetman2> this is not good
[10:10] <theMAXX> for the day – all trading – it’s confirmed now
[10:10] <ZOOS150> 2nd plane out of Newark
[10:10] <cotton> thanks … thats what i suspect too
[10:10] <moe> how many people died?
[10:10] <tradingtrader> how is Gold doing?
[10:11] <VeteranTrader> cnbc  saying a 4th plane  hit base of south tower
[10:11] <tradingtrader> crude oil going up
[10:11] <VeteranTrader> and took it down
[10:11] <sail> i hope the country lost it’s “it can’t happen here attitude”, when it comes to defense of usa
[10:11] <Parlay> 4th plane? are you kidding me?
[10:11] <nICK> insane
[10:11] <Diogenes> We just had a HUGE series of explosions somewhere near where I live
[10:11] <tradingtrader> this is a LOT of victims
[10:11] <getaclu> air  force/ air nat’l guard planes should have been scrambled as soon as that second plane hit!
[10:11] <VeteranTrader> thats what they are saying ( 3rd  hit pentagon)
[10:11] <bh> diogenes where are you ?
[10:11] <Threshr> dio, wheres that?
[10:11] <Diogenes> Alexandria
[10:11] <ZOOS150> Bush’s first crisis
[10:12] <bh> where’s that ?
[10:12] <Matrix> nasd nyse amex etc market closed for the day ??
[10:12] <BMW_MPower> I am in Indianapolis…my sister lives and works in NYC…I am sitting here helpless…we can’t get a hold of her
[10:12] <theMAXX> ALL TRADING HAS BEEN HALTED FOR THE DAY
[10:12] <meebbie> anyone getting a news wire… i can’t find any….
[10:12] <six-seven-six> this isn’t bush’s crisis..this is OUR/USA crisis.
[10:12] <R> BMW   may prayers are with you 🙁
[10:12] <Jerry> DIOGENES WHERE ARE YOU
[10:12] <R> my
[10:12] <songw> if you do reach anyone–the best way out is the irt on the east side and uptown
[10:12] <VeteranTrader> 4th plane unconfirmed now
[10:12] <songw> if the trains are still running
[10:12] <DezertRat> BMW she will be ok
[10:12] <WallStArb> My brother is NYC police
[10:13] <TMaid> subways are shut down
[10:13] <locust> prayers go out to all
[10:13] <WallStArb> there’s a fairly decent chance he may have been on the sceen
[10:13] <halfull> my daughter says that they cant even get to the subways
[10:13] <StephenB> I hope for the best for him Wall
[10:13] <mikew> out military asleep, to let the 4th plane attack
[10:13] <BMW_MPower> A major building collapses…I don’t know…I am nervous
[10:13] <meebbie> I am living in Europe… can’t get through on the phone to anywhere in New York…
[10:13] <Treller> Democratic Front For Liberation Of Palestine claims now
[10:13] <detexb> hope he is ok Wally
[10:13] <bh> another pentagon explosion
[10:13] <butch35> prayers with him and you wally
[10:13] <Puma> meebie: me neither
[10:13] <EricD> 2nd explosion at pentagon
[10:13] <Parlay> songw, where are you?
[10:13] <Diogenes> Sorry all… I was on the phone…
[10:13] <hot> second explosion at pentagon!!!
[10:13] <dumper> @nd explosin at pent.
[10:13] <ResearcherA1> pentagon 2nd expl.
[10:13] <Diogenes> that must have been what I hear
[10:13] <Diogenes> d
[10:13] <R> My prayers are with you all in the U.S. …..I am so sorry and sadend for you all 🙁
[10:13] <bizee> prayers for ALL of you with family/friends in NYC
[10:13] <Mas> my prayers to all who’s friens family’s are in anyway associated by these catastrophes
[10:13] <lx2> This is not good.
[10:13] <theMAXX>  (DOW JONES)   DJN: *DJ Second Explosion At Pentagon Building Reported -Sky Ne
[10:13] <theMAXX> DJN: *DJ Second Explosion At Pentagon Building Reported -Sky News
[10:13] <theMAXX> – – 11/09/01 14-13G
[10:13] <theMAXX>   (END) DOW JONES NEWS  09-11-01
[10:13] <theMAXX>   10:13 AM
[10:13] <theMAXX> ***  end of story  ***
[10:14] <seawind> If theres any more hijacked airliners in air now, US has to shoot it down
[10:14] <Jerry> AIR FORCE ONE MILITARY COMMAND CENTER
[10:14] <fugi> qqq at 31.72 down 7%,   this is very very sad. Do not let the urge to kill dominate.
[10:14] <Diogenes> I’m about 4 miles south of the Pentagon….  and the blast was LOUD!!!
[10:14] <lx2> <Moron> PLANE CRASHES INTO CAPITAL HILL – CNN
[10:14] <HeadFake> Jet fighters scramble to protect DC now.
[10:14] <sammythebull> dio did i just happen now
[10:14] <lapilot>  the second airplane looked like a 737. that would have dad about 118 plus crew
[10:14] <beck> sonic BOOMS
[10:14] <Paid4it> military jets patrolling Wasington, DC
[10:14] <Diogenes> Excuse the language
[10:14] <Targetman2> how could QQQ be in 31s? I thought market was shut down
[10:15] <Ariconda> planes were with people on board?!!
[10:15] <bbcc> I think it kept trading on ISLD
[10:15] <oak> are markets open or not
[10:15] <StephenB> don’t know…my Qcharts is completely inactive..dead since 930
[10:15] <Axel> is this gonna be world war III??
[10:15] <detexb> Ariconda, yes
[10:15] <Jabez> ALL US MKTS CLOSED TODAY
[10:15] <locust> i thought pentagon and whitehouse had antiaircraft defenses in place
[10:15] <Diogenes> Paid…  You could fool me…  I’m not seeing SQUAT!!
[10:15] <Photon> cnbc far more current than msnbc
[10:15] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> isld trading Q’s
[10:15] <dumper> some ECN trades are goning through
[10:15] <Diogenes> Whitehouse only has Stinger missile teams… short range
[10:15] <ResearcherA1> unable to connect by phone from usa to family in middle east
[10:16] <locust> seems limited to NYC and Pentagon
[10:16] <Ariconda> god
[10:16] <WallStArb> ISLD is NOT trading Q
[10:16] <Diogenes> incredible….
[10:16] <oak> explosion on capitol hilll – cnn
[10:16] <Diogenes> I can only imagine how many people died in that building collapse
[10:16] <Win_Shoe> http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/11/uplane.xml
[10:16] <StephenB> gonna need bulletproof doors guarding the flight decks of all airliners, kept locked while passengers are aboard
[10:16] <WallStArb> JOHANNESBURG (Dow Jones)South Africa’s leading gold and oil shares are soaring late Tuesday on news of two jets flying into the World Trade Center in New York.
[10:16] <WallStArb>  At around 1355 GMT, Anglogold Ltd. (AU), the world’s leading gold producer, has gained 15 rand from Monday’s close to 285 rand ($1=ZAR8.5600) and the gold index on the JSE Securities Exchange South Africa has jumped 6.2% to 1,172.
[10:16] <WallStArb>  Sasol Ltd. (O.SOL), an oil from coal producer, is up around 7% to an alltime high of ZAR88 on international oil prices soaring towards $29 a barrel
[10:16] <Diogenes> INVN
[10:16] <sammythebull> those guys should shut down all exchanges
[10:16] <gauss> regan airport too close to dc can not protect capital
[10:16] <ZOOS150> explosin on Capitol hill
[10:16] <Diogenes> this is incredible
[10:17] <ZOOS150> explosion on Capitol hill
[10:17] <mikew> INVN machine is no good or this wouldn’t happen
[10:17] <pitviper> all us markets are closed today?
[10:17] <Jabez> whereabout on capitol hill?
[10:17] <mainstreet> are there any option exchanges open?
[10:17] <trader> this is war
[10:17] <Jabez> yes PitViper
[10:17] <JT> cnn just said no to cap hill
[10:17] <Diogenes> yep…
[10:17] <mikew> why would INVN be bid up if it doesn’t work?
[10:17] <locust> Jesus forgive us all
[10:17] <cinshep> everything is closed
[10:17] <pitviper> thank you…
[10:17] <Jabez> Dow Jones…All US Mkts Closed
[10:17] <cinshep> World Trade Center
[10:17] <dumper> all cell phone down ?
[10:17] <cinshep> Pentagon
[10:17] <Jabez> perhaps dumper
[10:17] <cinshep> Explosion at White House
[10:17] <Diogenes> The Palestinians have forgotten what Yamamoto told the Japanese emperor
[10:17] <oak> diogenes, what?
[10:18] <bobby44> we dont know the palestinians did it
[10:18] <EricD> source cinshep?
[10:18] <incognito> we have awakened a sleeping giant
[10:18] <Jena>  <cinshep> Explosion at White House <– whats the source for that?
[10:18] <mauimark> Diogenes  was thinking same thing
[10:18] <cinshep> MSNBC
[10:18] <lx2> 10:17am 09/11/01   ALL MONUMENTS IN D.C. UNDER EVACUATION ORDER – CNBC
[10:18] <lx2>  10:14am 09/11/01   CHICAGO’S JOHN HANCOCK EVACUATES TOWER
[10:18] <lx2>  10:15am 09/11/01   AMERICAN AIR: NO COMMENT ON PLANE HIJACK REPORT
[10:18] <cinshep> I been watching for 30 minutes
[10:18] <Jabez> I do not believe there was an explosion at the white house unless that is very very recent.
[10:18] <Diogenes> They have “woken a sleeping a dragon”
[10:18] <cinshep> happened an hour ago, 3 airliners hit world trade center
[10:18] <Boogieman> hey Wallstreet……how….in Gods name can money be SSOOO IMPORTANT TO YOU!!!!!!!!
[10:18] <Photon> 2
[10:18] <fugi> do not let the urge to kill dominate. keep cool. pray.
[10:18] <cinshep> the white house explosion wasn’t confirmed
[10:18] <Bondzz> stop the rumours…only report proper sourced stories
[10:18] <Jabez> yes fugi
[10:18] <cinshep> okay
[10:18] <Bondzz> this is srious
[10:19] <Diogenes> dumper… all cell phone circuits busy in DC
[10:19] <mainstreet> white house would shoot down any planes
[10:19] <Jabez> Agreed Bondzz
[10:19] <cinshep> 1 airliner hit pentagon
[10:19] <butch35> large plane down in southeast PA
[10:19] <Diogenes> fugi…. keep cool my @ss… kill them all and let Allah sort them out
[10:19] <cinshep> this is SO HORRIBLE
[10:19] <butch35> within 4 miles from my house
[10:19] <LitDeVIL> diongenes you can;t do that
[10:19] <Diogenes> wanna bet?
[10:19] <LitDeVIL> don;t be stuipid
[10:19] <StephenB> butch maybe 1 airliner went down rather than become an instrument of terrorist death
[10:20] <Puma> are there any reports of the number of people thought to be killed?
[10:20] <butch35> thats what i think
[10:20] <cinshep> well they find out who did this, I hope to hell they go blow whoever it is to hell
[10:20] *** Guest38754 is now known as lola1
[10:20] <butch35> i am 2 hrs outside of pittsburgh
[10:20] <dg> this is what political correctness gets you folks
[10:20] <StephenB> struggle on flight deck or something
[10:20] <LitDeVIL> puma early numbers said 6 people confirmed dead
[10:20] <Diogenes> I’m not being stupid… these are people who believe 3 to 1 that they have the right to commit suicide bombings..
[10:20] <dg> kill them all
[10:20] <cinshep> dg EXACTLY
[10:20] <Puma> thx lilldevil
[10:20] <ZOOS150> possible explosion at State Department
[10:20] <dg> i dont care
[10:20] <six-seven-six> get DG out of here please.
[10:20] <Parlay> now we’re getting stupid.
[10:21] *** dg was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[10:21] <Diogenes> that was WILD footage of the second plane
[10:21] <PimpDiddy> something going on in Dallas now
[10:21] <LitDeVIL> if you go bombin other countries they will have other people avenege the bombings
[10:21] <WallStArb> ANY COMMENTS that are deemed insensitive or just plain STUPID will result in permanent bans
[10:21] <Photon> ARCA now shut down
[10:21] <Diogenes> sorry WallSt..
[10:21] <StephenB> CNN Headline News sayinc Capital Hill attack report unfounded at this time
[10:21] <meebbie> just a side comment… but DJIA futs are down 330 points.. CAC40 down 205…. DAX  down 300 … FSTE 100 down 150
[10:21] <Scorp^> where pimp, I am in Dallas
[10:21] <ZOOS150> unidentified aircraft approaching Washington dc
[10:21] <sunnyyyy> what pimpdiddy?
[10:21] <WallStArb> Guys this is a horrible event, please show the respect and maturity the situation deserves
[10:21] <dumper> WAS the south trade buiding empty before the 2nd plane hit ?
[10:22] <LitDeVIL> yes WallStArb I agree
[10:22] <halfull> no
[10:22] <EricD> nobody knows yet dumper
[10:22] <meebbie> it was being evacuated
[10:22] *** Guest95692 is now known as rif
[10:22] <AV_OUT> amen Arb
[10:22] <ZOOS150> jet palnes be scrambled
[10:22] <StephenB> no…can’t evack a building like that so fast I highly doubt
[10:22] * Yogibear101 prays for the people
[10:22] <Jabez> I cannot believe it would entirely be evacuated in <18mins…
[10:22] <trader> how many people cAN WORK IN THE TOWERS
[10:22] <PimpDiddy> 40,000
[10:22] <locust> that south tower went down like a deck of card – you could see the shockwave move through it
[10:22] <Jabez> wow…
[10:22] <rolex> Q: how is the dollar affected, opinions?
[10:22] <Scorp^> 2nd tower leaning they say
[10:22] <StephenB> evac drills on buildings like that take an hour + unfortuanately
[10:22] <bizee> 2nd was leaning earlier
[10:22] <mainstreet> dollar dropping
[10:22] <matsuokah> i imagine they started the evac as soon as the first tower was hit
[10:22] <double_odds> collapse was about 1/2 hour after evacuation started…I doubt they got everyone out
[10:22] <Krawuttke> germany stopped all flights to the states
[10:22] <Jerry> STATE DEPT SAYS ANOTHER HIJACKED PLANE HEADING TOWARDS D.C
[10:23] <matsuokah> so they might have managed to get most out
[10:23] <ZOOS150> plane headed towrad DC
[10:23] <WallStArb> around 9 am the PATH trains are jammed with 20,000 +++ people coming into the WTC at any given time
[10:23] <WallStArb> and many major subways go into the WTC
[10:23] <Jabez> woa
[10:23] <HeadFake>  Is this the Real Y2K Millenium Armagedeon?
[10:23] <Parlay> my god….they HAVE to shoot it down.
[10:23] <ResearcherA1>  just managed to get thru to Jerusalem.. by phone
[10:23] <StephenB> what source Jerry?
[10:23] <oak> jerry, what’s the source
[10:23] <mainstreet> jerry where you find this?
[10:23] <duke> Got to shoot it down
[10:23] <Jabez> ResearcherAngel…go on
[10:23] <boomy> amazing Researcher
[10:23] <pttrdr> car bomb
[10:23] <stockpimp> source ??/
[10:23] <Jabez> anything there?
[10:23] <pttrdr> state dept
[10:23] <bh> car bomb@ state deptartment
[10:23] <Jerry> CBS RADIO NYC  QOUTEING
[10:23] <six-seven-six> any plane headed for dc will be SHOT DOWN.
[10:23] <Puma> cnbc: car bomb outside state department
[10:24] <StephenB> good lord what do you do?  shoot down an airliner?
[10:24] <Puma> cnbc: car bomb outside state department
[10:24] <CIAP> Someone can listen to the NYPD at http://www.digradio.com/results.asp?format_id=34
[10:24] <bh> jesus, this sounds like a Tom Clancy book
[10:24] <lx2>  10:23am 09/11/01   2-YR US TREASURY YIELD DROPS 25 BP TO ALL-TIM LOW 3.25%
[10:24] <six-seven-six> except for airforce one of course.
[10:24] <Jabez> woa
[10:24] <Jabez> lx2 bond market’s open?
[10:24] <theMAXX> NO EXPLOSION AT THE CAPITOL
[10:24] <theMAXX> per CNN NOW
[10:25] <PimpDiddy> nasdaq will not open
[10:25] <theMAXX> that was a FALSE report
[10:25] <Jabez> Thank you MAXX, thought it was false.
[10:25] <LitDeVIL> hey all the planes coming to cananada now
[10:25] <deac> http://www.jpost.com    jerusalem post
[10:25] <Jabez> yes PimpD, All US Mkts Closed
[10:25] <sail> all inbound international flights diverted to canada — nbc news
[10:25] <stockpimp> thx MAXX
[10:25] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Car Bomb Explodes Outside US State Department – Official
[10:25] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 10:25:27)
[10:25] <Puma> cnbc: car bomb outside state department
[10:25] <ghostship> *DJ Car Bomb Explodes Outside US State Department – Official
[10:25] <fugi> ten yr bond at 108.4
[10:26] <Ex_trim> do you expect US markets to open tomorrow?
[10:26] <Jabez> Thought bond mkts would be closed…
[10:26] <StephenB> no
[10:26] <mikew> all cell phones should be thoroughly inspected before allowed on planes imo, my guess is these hi-jackings were with the new cell phone looking guns
[10:26] <Puma> cnbc: all transatlantic flights diverted to canada
[10:26] <CIAP> Canada always welcome tourist 🙂
[10:26] <R> not funny
[10:26] <nICK> [10:23:11 AM]  ADMN [JKUPFER of Service Ops] NO TRADING METHODS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. ALL METHODS HAVE BEEN HALTED AND ALL OPEN ORDERS HAVE BEEN CANCELED.
[10:27] <sail> they’re clearing the air over usa, so that any planes flying are suspect
[10:27] <Scorp^> gonna get thin in here when we start kicking all the stupid commenters
[10:27] <mainstreet> clearing air for military
[10:27] <xstanx> second building they are saying might fall
[10:27] <cotton> widespread jingoism, saber rattling occuring now
[10:27] <incognito> we cannot shoot down a hijacked plane with innocents on board can we?
[10:28] <Yojimbo> you have to
[10:28] <JoMi> why not?
[10:28] <mayan> i have a flight to NY tomorrow and visit the trade center and Nazdaq is my plan
[10:28] <meebbie> BBC saying that there must have also been bomb in building that caused it to collapse
[10:28] <Threshr> ins. co’s down
[10:28] <meebbie> 2nd one just collapsed
[10:28] <xstanx> second one is falling
[10:28] <Jena> the whole of downtown manhattan covered with sand.
[10:28] <EricD> shooting it down just means it crashes somewhere else
[10:28] <patman> just fell
[10:28] <ZOOS150> 2nd tower collapsed
[10:28] <meebbie> amy my god…
[10:28] <locust> other wtc going down
[10:28] <mayan> omg
[10:28] <nICK> omg
[10:28] <Puma> 2nd Tower gone
[10:28] <bucko> second tower down
[10:28] <Ex_trim> I’m in Russia & our TV says that Palestinians deny responsibility for all this
[10:28] <meebbie> also explsion
[10:28] <ResearcherA1> Daughter, a post-graduate student at university in Jerusalem, urges me  in USA , to take extra precautions.
[10:28] <sail> depends where it’s headed
[10:28] <hot> !!!!!1
[10:28] <Threshr> both!
[10:28] <ffej> did you see that
[10:28] <Jabez> WTC collapsed
[10:28] <mauimark> oh my god
[10:28] <sail> 2nd wtc tower collapsed
[10:28] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> second tower fell!
[10:29] <Jabez> gone
[10:29] <Matrix> oh my goodness
[10:29] <locust> my God
[10:29] <Suzanne> omg its gone
[10:29] <Matrix> aHHHHH
[10:29] <Jabez> settle down
[10:29] <oak> did anyone see explosion or simply collapsed
[10:29] <Aardvark> will knock out lots of broadcast and communications
[10:29] <Matrix> this is crazy
[10:29] <mayan> oh god
[10:29] <locust> had to be bombs
[10:29] <bizee> oh god
[10:29] <mainstreet> another plane?
[10:29] <stockpimp> this is war damnit !
[10:29] <sail> unbelievable 🙁
[10:29] <Jabez> saw it collapse hard to tell if it was bomb or not
[10:29] <sunnyyyy> explosion
[10:29] <Jabez> I think a bomb must have caused it b/c plane hit up top
[10:29] <Parlay> completely unreal.
[10:29] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> terrorism changes NYC skyline and our lives forever
[10:29] <xstanx> heat melts the steel
[10:29] <detexb> it just collapsed looks like
[10:29] <meebbie> it looked like it IMPLODED… would suggest a bomb to me…
[10:29] <EricD> it collapsed from the top down
[10:29] <tradingtrader> new york changed
[10:30] <locust> almost looks like demolition charges
[10:30] <Commonman> the weight of the upper floors falling took out the rest
[10:30] <oak> what’s gonna be build in place I wonder
[10:30] <stockup> What’s next?
[10:30] <Puma> white house?
[10:30] <LitDeVIL> I guess anyone holding stocks long is in big trouble?
[10:30] <locust> fire melts stell and …
[10:30] <Yogibear101> the heat weakens the steel
[10:30] <detexb> center fell in from fire & weight
[10:30] <ZOOS150> you guys are amazing
[10:30] <ZOOS150> forget the stocks
[10:30] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> fire weaken steel until it fell
[10:30] *** LitDeVIL was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[10:30] <Jabez> Top fell down onto the rest of it
[10:30] <Nana> concern for stock positions? are you nuts?
[10:30] <Jabez> well that is a concern…
[10:30] <Matrix> forget about stocks .. war is gonna be horrific
[10:30] <edvard> holy
[10:30] * theMAXX is putting on the boot
[10:30] <scorpio> “there are no words to describe this” – Dan Rather
[10:31] <Diogenes> Guys… I fully understand that there are “good and bad” muslims.    I have friends who are muslims who would never condone such terrorism..   But that aside, there were “good and bad” Japanese who would never have condoned attacking the US at Pearl Harbor.
[10:31] <stockpimp> do it MAXX !
[10:31] <mayan> yes, we ‘re going to war
[10:31] <theMAXX> this is not a threat it is a direct statement – you mess up – your gone
[10:31] <lx2> not going to be “war” get real… no nation behind this
[10:31] <kass> my sincerest sorry for US people
[10:31] <kass> 🙁
[10:31] <Diogenes> And we still committed ourselves to a major war of unconditional surrender against them.
[10:31] <Jabez> History being written.
[10:31] <edvard> no nation?
[10:31] <Parlay> we are not going to war. there will almost certainly be retribution, of course.
[10:31] <GoldenGoose> United Nations may now use NATO to enforce global control, including control over religious groups
[10:31] <nICK> marshal law coming
[10:31] <edvard> palestina they say
[10:32] <Diogenes> lx2… events like these are HIGHLY COORDINATED and planned, as well as supported by extensive training and support infrastructures
[10:32] <Jabez> palestinian official denied it.  that report is false
[10:32] <locust> both building pretty much evacuated ?
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[10:32] <Jabez> not at all locust.
[10:32] <xstanx> world is gonna find out if we can put a name to the group who did this there will be no safe place on earth for them
[10:32] <nICK> ofc they will deny it
[10:32] <PimpDiddy> who could have the money and intelligence to do this wothout getting cauhgt
[10:32] <edvard> ok, Jabez
[10:32] <xstanx> we are a sleeping giant
[10:32] <locust> CNBC crew in Jersye ?
[10:32] <mikew> the good news is that nuclear weapons seem to still be under control, if they had them …
[10:32] <sail> nbc news — unconfirmed report of another hijacked plane headed for DC
[10:33] <locust> just heard from my brother – travels alot – he’s safe at motorola
[10:33] <StephenB> trying to call my mom just 2 towns over near Boston here…landline phones are really stressed here…can’t get through for almost an hour now
[10:33] <Parlay> i thought a saw a fireball before the collapse of the 2nd tower.
[10:33] <tradingtrader> this requires quite a lot of people…amazing they kept it totally quiet
[10:33] <Cha-ching> there is a nuclear reactor at the pentagon I think
[10:33] <stockup> I was wondering the source of the warning of terrorism in Japan against US citizens
[10:33] <sail> tom brokaw — “this is war”
[10:33] <Diogenes> mikew… nuclear weapons we can handle.. because we can massively retaliate…  it’s the biological warfare that is the most frightening issue
[10:33] <ResearcherA1> sail.. and anyone else.. please quote sources , not just ‘reports’ . panic last thing needed..
[10:33] <mayan> i cant make any phone call to NY
[10:33] <Jabez> It was organized, well organized…
[10:33] <Jena> 50,000. ppl work in the Twin Towers.
[10:33] <patman> i wish i could hear some jets protecting the three nuke towers here
[10:33] <ResearcherA1> i can’t get thru to jerusalem either now
[10:33] <EricD> the most frigtening thing is that it doesnt really take that many people to accomplish this level of destruction
[10:33] <PimpDiddy> but who guys
[10:33] <sail> i did quote source — i said nbc news
[10:34] <Jabez> cnn car bomb exploded at state dept
[10:34] <Diogenes> The original WTC bombing had been planned months in advance
[10:34] <matsuokah> nyc phones pretty much all dead at this point, both wire and cell
[10:34] <GoldenGoose> Japan used as a wooden duck by terrorists
[10:34] <PimpDiddy> someone in here might know
[10:34] <mikew> Diogenes “massively retaliate” against who? terrorists are usually hard to trace
[10:34] <deac> http://watch.org   give you lots of jerusalem news links
[10:34] <Diogenes> mikew… their supporting infrastructure is not.
[10:34] <lx2> 10:33am 09/11/01   LONDON GOLD TRADES AT $287, UP $16 AN OUNCE SINCE WTC B
[10:34] <Ltdc> If anyone has children in school in the lower Manhattan area, the kids are being held in the schools. Kids will only be released to parents. As per cbs radio NYC
[10:34] <Diogenes> Afghanistan… Paskistan… Syria…
[10:34] <Diogenes> Sudan…
[10:34] <Photon> ALL terrorists will be targeted now… bet on it
[10:34] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Reports Of Hijacked Plane Heading Toward Washington -Sky
[10:34] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 10:34:58)
[10:35] <locust> it’ll take years to clean up NYC
[10:35] <Puma> bucko: another one?
[10:35] <tradingtrader> everyone putting on gas masks in manhattan now
[10:35] <Photon> They won’t try to differentiiate and place responsibility
[10:35] <Jena> UN evacuated…
[10:35] <BMW_MPower> I just got a call from my sister…she’s okay…she changed jobs two weeks ago and is no longer working at WTC…she is stuck downtown 14 blocks from the area and says it’s sheer chaos outside…she called me on a cell phone.
[10:35] <Jabez> if there were another plane in the sky our boys would get it down…before impacting etc. imho
[10:35] <Diogenes> And on the “bright side” I guess the DOD won’t have to worry about where their additional funding is going to come from
[10:35] <tradingtrader> imagine this could have been a nuclear bomb
[10:35] <mikew> Jabez I’m not so sure
[10:35] <ZOOS150> no way
[10:35] <Mas> jabez..but there’s passengers on them
[10:35] <Scorp^> evacuating Dallas World trade center here
[10:35] <mikew> military too stunned to react
[10:35] <ZOOS150> a nuclear bomb..
[10:36] <WallStArb> 10:30 International Equity Markets Under Pressure : Investors fleeing equities around the world in reaction to apparent terrorist attacks against the US. European markets that are still trading include UK (-3.1%), France (-3.6%), Belgium (-4.2%). South American equities hit the hardest with Argentina down 5.2%, Brazil off 7.9%, and Mexico 4.8% lower… Canadian equities are down 3.7%.
[10:36] <Diogenes> BMW… glad to hear it…
[10:36] <ZOOS150> there wouldnt be a nyc
[10:36] <edvard> what?
[10:36] <JT> evacuating towers in seattle also
[10:36] <Puma> cnbc: another hijacked plane in washington …. en route to white house maybe
[10:36] <Jena> Evacuating Government buildings in Newark.
[10:36] <Targetman2> Its time: we MUST take a stand and blow all know terrorists and anyone related to them off the face of this earth
[10:36] <Commonman> what is truly frightening is the fact that this attack is so successful
[10:36] <mayan> this is sick…very sick
[10:36] <Jabez> woa
[10:36] <Cha-ching> Hold any and every country that condones terrorism responsible
[10:36] <gtt> time to finally tighten our borders up and ignore “immigration rights activists”
[10:36] <stockup> I would woner why the planes would be used to crash into the buildings if othe rexplosive devices were in place
[10:36] <sail> u can bet the military is still mobolizing — it’s only been 1 1/2 hours
[10:36] <Diogenes> so what are we going to do if there is another hijacked plane??  shoot it down??   This is scary
[10:36] <mainstreet> they will have a tough decision to make, shoot down the plane or not?
[10:36] <mayan> shoot it down !
[10:36] <Commonman> I hate to think how emboldened this is going to make the perpetrators
[10:36] <Scorp^> have already seen f-14’s in the air
[10:36] <Aardvark> they will die either way
[10:36] <StephenB> jetliner quite a weapon…as if we didn’t know that already..gosh
[10:36] <Parlay> if i worked in any metropolitan building, i would be proactive and get the HELL OUT.
[10:36] <Jabez> I do not see reports of this plane.
[10:37] <ffej> what tough about that decision
[10:37] <Puma> cnbc: another hijacked plane in washington …. en route to white house maybe … white house evacuated
[10:37] <Diogenes> GOD!!!!  look at NYC!!… enveloped in smoke!
[10:37] <Jabez> watching cnbc right now
[10:37] <Matrix> this is in my worst nightmares ..too shocked here
[10:37] <StephenB> I can confirm tha DJ report of plane headed to WAshington
[10:37] <Diogenes> Folks… I think I’m going to leave…  we have a few “defense” buildings in my area…
[10:37] <bear> evacuating towers inToronto
[10:37] <Rollo> Bush is not going to survive this
[10:38] <Tra`verse> fox news has alert saying another plane has been hijacked
[10:38] <Commonman> What’s Bush got to do with it?
[10:38] <Jabez> Interesting.  I would not jump to any conclusions.
[10:38] <StephenB> DJ story @10:34, ABC repeating it now too
[10:38] <Diogenes> take care and my prayers to everyone’s families who were slain in this murderous and cowardly act
[10:38] <Cha-ching> Bush needs to sound strong
[10:38] <Commonman> We have 50 years of consistent national policy on the middled east
[10:38] <liz> stay safe Diogenes – god bless everyone
[10:38] <Puma> cnbc: another hijacked plane in washington …. en route to white house maybe ….washinton is in effect under attack
[10:38] <duke> 747 reported down in PA?
[10:38] <sunnyyyy>  pentagon collapsin
[10:38] <stockpimp> agreed Commonman
[10:38] <Diogenes> Bush will do fine… Daschle will have to fall in line with everything that Bush demands.
[10:38] <sail> MW 10:34 CAR BOMB EXPLODES AT STATE DEPARTMENT – CNN
[10:38] <skifreak> be safe diogenes
[10:38] <DezertRat> FOX says plane crash 80 miles south of Pittsburg
[10:38] <Diogenes> thanks…  I’m outta here.
[10:38] <dongo> did the market even open today ?
[10:38] <sail> this is war folks, deal with it
[10:39] <romeo5> wow
[10:39] <Diogenes> gonna head south of the beltway
[10:39] <sunnyyyy> somethin bombed in Wash DC over police radios
[10:39] <^Eagle^> *DJ Large Plane Crashes In Western Pennsylvania – Officials
[10:39] <^Eagle^> (Bridge Livewire 09/11 10:39:20)
[10:39] <ResearcherA1> LONDON airports closing
[10:39] <Win_Shoe> <— 5 mi North of Heathrow- nothing heard locally
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[10:39] <locust> deepest sympathies to all who are affected by these tragic attacks  🙁
[10:39] <Cha-ching> There maybe a nuclear reactor at the pentagon
[10:39] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> someone here reported plane down near his PA home 1/2 hr ago.
[10:39] <ZOOS150> 4th explosion in nyc
[10:39] <StephenB> making history sometimes is a real bummer
[10:39] <xstanx> sail we are a sleeping giant the world will not like what they woke up
[10:39] <mauimark> Cha-ching  u r wrong
[10:39] <Jabez> much like pearl harbor, yes
[10:39] <sail> i hear ya x
[10:39] <Commonman> My guess is the planning for this started shortly after Sharon
[10:39] <Cha-ching> ok
[10:40] <Commonman> and that’s how long it would take
[10:40] <incognito> now I understand how my late parents felt on Dec 7 1941
[10:40] <sail> DJ 10:39 *DJ Large Plane Crashes In Western Pennsylvania – Officials
[10:40] <sunnyyyy> CBS saying a 4th explosion near WTC
[10:40] <mikew> Pearl Harbor was another world power attacking us, this may only be terrorists
[10:40] <zigzag1> gee
[10:40] <Ltdc> Plane crash in western Pa. confirmed on cbs
[10:40] <lx2>  10:38am 09/11/01   PART OF THE PENTAGON COLLASPES – CNN
[10:40] <lapilot> 757 holds, depending on the version, 34,136 k of jet fuel = 75000 lbs of jet fuel
[10:40] <StephenB> cnbc confirming now too
[10:40] <Parlay> folks, it’s not that clear cut. hard to determine exactly who to target in terms of retribution.
[10:40] <sail> DJ 10:39 *DJ London’s Heathrow Airport Being Closed – Sky
[10:40] <revv> Tremendous organization & resources required to pull this off
[10:40] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Fourth Explosion At World Trade Center
[10:40] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 10:40:55)
[10:40] *** Guest66293 is now known as a
[10:40] <meebbie> confirm 4th explosion in NYC
[10:40] <DezertRat> this is our generations Pearl Harbor
[10:41] <sail> MW 10:38 HIJACKED PLANE HEADING TOWARDS WASHINGTON – SKY
[10:41] <xstanx> terrorists have no idea what they just did there will not be a rock big enough to hide under for them
[10:41] <Parlay> besides, who would be insane enough to actually claim responsibility for this?
[10:41] <ResearcherA1> 4th explosion now at wtcenter . djn 1040
[10:41] <meebbie> that was a question… not a statement…
[10:41] <JayT> Pittsburg ……Planes just crashed
[10:41] <roger2> not only the US but the whole world must deal with the sick people who would cause this much death and damage
[10:41] <Commonman> Obviously a large plane crashing in PA had to be one shot down
[10:41] <meebbie> thanks….
[10:41] <mikew> world power today would not attack buildings, they would attack military installations, this is terrorism
[10:41] <Commonman> that is minutes from any targets
[10:41] <ZOOS150> true
[10:41] <Targetman2> cann CNN be viewed via an internet link?
[10:41] <Tra`verse> tv said plo has taken credit I thought?  Just woke up though.
[10:41] <kass> DJN: *DJ Large Plane Crashes In Western Pennsylvania – Officials
[10:41] <FiNnZ> no plo denied
[10:41] <ZOOS150> to big for PLO
[10:41] <hot> even the website is down
[10:41] <FiNnZ> democratic front for palenstinian liberation orig. claimed
[10:41] <ZOOS150> OSama Bin Laden
[10:41] <trader> captain may have crashed it to avoid the alternative
[10:42] <MR_GoAn> cnn down on the internet …i cant access it 🙁
[10:42] <xstanx> tman cnn has a irc server the chatters bunch og ding dongs
[10:42] <xstanx> og = of
[10:42] <sail> yeah c-man — not much in western pa for a terrorist
[10:42] <Targetman2> I want to WATCH it on the internet
[10:42] <Commonman> no, that one was flying to its target
[10:42] <Cha-ching> the PLO are terrorist too they have to be held somewhat accountable as well
[10:42] <Commonman> could have been NY or DC from there
[10:42] <oak> sail, as he said, maybe captain crashed to avoid alternative
[10:42] <sail> could be
[10:42] <WallStArb> ANY COMMENTS that are deemed insensitive or just plain STUPID will result in permanent bans
[10:42] <mainstreet> or chicago
[10:42] <locust> i would doubt airline pilots are controlling these aircraft when they slam into a building
[10:42] <bucko> Bin Laden warned of “unprecedented” U.S. attack-expert
[10:42] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 10:42:53)
[10:42] <Scorp^> or maybe shot down already
[10:42] <Tra`verse> they were shooting missles at school children within past week, has to be related to palistine
[10:42] <meebbie> BBC world is evacuating lots of important areas… Londen stock exchange closed… too
[10:43] <Threshr> agree locust
[10:43] <CrashKid> agree locust, hijackers must have pilots onboard
[10:43] <StephenB> agreed locust…I bet that PA flight was a stuggle on the flight deck or the hijacking pilot couldn’t fly it once he DID get control
[10:43] <trader> this may just be the first wave of attacks, very scary
[10:43] <Threshr> that plane hit the side of the building perfectly, too perfect
[10:43] <sail> MW 10:42 PENTAGON MONITORING 2ND SUSPECTED HIJACKED PLANE – CNN
[10:43] <Markus2> PA flight *Could* have been shot down by us to prevent an even worse alternative
[10:43] <Cha-ching> It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to steer a plane into a huge building
[10:44] <xstanx> what i dont get is why cant planes design the cockpit in the planes in a way that you cant get into
[10:44] <duke> Pa could have been headed to washington shot down?
[10:44] <locust> whoever flying was trained and the facilities to train in arent cheap or easily accessible
[10:44] <Aardvark> MS flight simulator, $50
[10:44] <meebbie> as a doctor… i wish that i was in NYC to help …. it will be horrible.. they need all the help they can get right now
[10:44] <MR_GoAn> lol @FLIGHT SIM
[10:44] <Scorp^> once a plane is in the air – anyone can fly it
[10:44] <oak> FAA actually approves use of MS flight simulator for training purposes
[10:45] <hot> .
[10:45] <Scorp^> but no credits given oak
[10:45] <xstanx> scorp why cant the pilots be protected
[10:45] <oak> program manager for MS Flight Sim used to work at Boeing
[10:45] <Scorp^> been wondering that myself
[10:45] <fisher01> abc justed reported that FAA says 1 to 2 planes are still missing
[10:45] <Scorp^> bet they will be from now on
[10:45] <GoldenGoose> Sirens headed towards SF airport
[10:45] <StephenB> OR the flight in PA could have been an accident…imagine air traffic control was in complete confusion…maybe it wasn’t hijacked..just a thought
[10:45] <kass> test
[10:45] <kass> test
[10:46] <bluerev> If you’re gonna plan something like this you don’t rely on someone who was learned to fly with MS flight simulator
[10:46] <Ex_trim> ..
[10:46] <itchy> I dont think you will see the markets open tomorrow either
[10:46] <edvard> how many have got killed?
[10:46] <PimpDiddy> was the other plane a united ?
[10:46] <edvard> 2’000?
[10:46] <oak> aren’t you glad you visited the WTC … impossible to do it now
[10:46] <Parlay> edvard, who would know?
[10:47] <edvard> well, of course
[10:47] <sail> it’s gotta be tens of thousands, imo
[10:47] <mayan> what market, we’re going to war
[10:47] <ResearcherA1> strange that my phone lines should go dead after finally getting through to daughter in Jerusalem..
[10:47] <PimpDiddy> guys please american AND united ?
[10:47] <mikew> death toll will mount for weeks, only the WWII veterans can identify with this
[10:47] <itchy> Someone on the radio I am listening to said they heard the markets will not open for the rest of the week
[10:47] <trader> we should go to war and make those responible pay
[10:47] <StephenB> the death toll has to be at least 5000 with those buildings + ground casualties on the street,,,maybe 10k+
[10:48] <mikew> the few WWII vets left, ask them how things can be
[10:48] <dongo> war against whome ?
[10:48] <Udaman> hard to go to war with a terrorist org……like fighting a ghost
[10:48] <seawind> CBS
[10:48] <Cha-ching> Any country that harbors terrorism should be considered a target
[10:48] <locust> we’re taking a major hit – even israel isnt subjected to anything like this but then they arent as complacent as we are i suppose
[10:48] <Parlay> go to war and target who? a small group of terrorist?
[10:48] <edvard> gosh
[10:48] <dongo> just let Israel do the job
[10:48] <boardsport> abc says plane on the way to pentogon
[10:48] <HeadFake> We have machine gun armed FBI agents on street now in DC
[10:48] <Win_Shoe> No effort should be spared to gather intelligence and track down the perpetrators
[10:48] <jlapalma> sorrow to people at WTC and their families !!
[10:48] <lx2> BBC saying 767 in PA
[10:48] <skifreak> my grandpa is a wwii vet
[10:49] <Treller> Palestine will be an occupied state in our lives with a dictated peace
[10:49] <sail> MW 10:48 BOEING 767 CRASHES NORTH OF SOMERSET COUNTY AIRPORT
[10:49] <gauss> we r at war but against who?
[10:49] <trader> carpet bomb and nuke any known terrorist areas
[10:49] *** Guest93704 is now known as smr
[10:49] <StephenB> NYC gonna be a war zone for at least 3 or 4 days
[10:49] <dumper> why is CBNB ticker still srcowling ?
[10:49] <Photon> There will be no Palestinian home land now IMO
[10:49] <oak> sail, where is that?
[10:49] <sail> PA
[10:49] <lapilot> 757, 75000 lbs of jet fuel = 11,194 gallons, max capacity
[10:49] <itchy> FOX news reporting a plane crash in Pittsburg
[10:49] <StephenB> I mean just look at it!
[10:49] <pttrdr> bin laden will be eliminated
[10:50] <Targetman2> there is only 1 solution to this whole mess: Bush has to warn the world that ANY hint of agression anywhere at any time against anyone will be grounds for mass elimination
[10:50] <Cha-ching> I’m for privacy but software that allows encryption has made terrorism activities easier to become undetected
[10:50] <smr> .
[10:50] <Gr8-1> in pittsburgh here
[10:50] <bucko> brilliant
[10:50] <GoldenGoose> nope, UN+NATO the only percieved solution
[10:50] <Photon> Oh yeah… Bin Landen can’t find a place to hiide now
[10:50] <Gr8-1> crash outside of PGH
[10:50] <oak> NSA can crack them
[10:50] <locust> what was in the WTC towers ?
[10:50] <tck> Is there still a plane in the air?
[10:50] <butch35> is there a crash in pittsbugh
[10:50] <locust> who occupied those buildings ?
[10:50] <xstanx> oak yep
[10:50] <sail> yeah what trading systems were in WTC’s?
[10:50] <ghostship> yes, f16’s are intercepting the inbound jet
[10:50] <songw> nyc emergency services are in the basement of the trade ctr
[10:50] <Parlay> think about giving blood, people. we can all help in a small way.
[10:51] <pttrdr> there is only one true  “real geopolitik” and this is peace through strength
[10:51] <oak> ghostship, what source
[10:51] <itchy> FOX reporting a plane crash in Pittsburg
[10:51] <crackerGA> instanet for one
[10:51] <mikew> songw what basement
[10:51] <StephenB> lots of big tenants…was a real mess when it was bombed back when..but now this
[10:51] <tck> somebody pls answer yes or no again is there still a plane in the air?
[10:51] <JoMi> is this a diversion for something else?
[10:51] <xstanx> man im ggetting a stress headache
[10:51] <Cha-ching> Palestinian homeland will be the f’n dessert
[10:51] <butch35> i know there is a plane down east of pittsburgh
[10:51] <JoMi> wrong window!
[10:51] <highbid> my gawd..just got back from early morning fishing trip.. leaving now for Red Cross to give blood..I encourage other to do the same
[10:51] <dongo> no
[10:51] <oak> jomi, maybe like die hard 3
[10:51] <butch35> 4 miles from my house
[10:51] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> MSDW occupied 12% of WTC towers
[10:51] <Ariconda> .
[10:51] <stckhunter> tck, I believe that plane crashed in Pittsburg
[10:51] <sail> tck — maybe two more hijacked pkanes in air
[10:51] <Segman> 10:50am 09/11/01   FIGHTER JETS SCRAMBLED FOR POSSIBLE HIJACKED PLANE – CN
[10:51] <Hatch> Joining you highbid very good suggestion
[10:51] <dongo> the DOW will open below 8000
[10:52] <tck> Thank you
[10:52] <ResearcherA1> London stock exchange evacuated (dow)
[10:52] <Targetman2> is it confirmed that the markets are closed all day?
[10:52] <xray7> I just saw airforce many jets in formation over Dallas from my window
[10:52] <trendline> how is the pittsburgh city
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[10:52] <dongo> Canadian stock market halted
[10:52] <trendline> my son is in UPITT
[10:52] <dongo> oil prices soaring
[10:52] <Ltdc> Say a prayer for the kids10:37 ET Final Update Of The Day : Have heard no new information on U.S. equity market trading. The assumption is that both the Nasdaq and NYSE will remain closed for the rest of the day, at the least. Briefing.com is closing its offices for the day.
[10:52] <WILLatl> who cares about the markets
[10:53] <dongo> dollar falling
[10:53] <modorales> damn
[10:53] <butch35> unless there is 2 planes in pittsburgh the one i know of is east of pitts
[10:53] <CIAP> CNBC should remove the ticker.
[10:53] <StephenB> bigger than Pearl Harbor…this attacked the heart of civilian US…not since the war of 1812 (not counting from within during the Civil War)…trouble is, there won’t be a NATION to blame
[10:53] <smr> .
[10:53] <mikew> remember, US dollar and your stocks are totally worthless if the US goes down, worry about your country not your money
[10:53] <tradingtrader> they showed pictures of the streets there…THICK THICK dust…like dark snow covered the are.
[10:53] <dongo> calm down
[10:53] <ZOOS150> 5 planes in air
[10:53] <hot> yep the ticker irritqtes
[10:53] <bubbles> why in the hell would they report where the state dept people are evacuating to?
[10:53] <Ltdc> Didn’t mean to post the kids part. That was for someone else
[10:53] <jlapalma> sorrow to emergency rescuers, firefigthers and police in NYC and WTC !!
[10:53] <ZOOS150> 8 planes hijacked missing 5
[10:53] <tradeguy> friend in new mexico says many many stealth fighers took off this morning
[10:53] <modorales> jesus mf christ
[10:53] <trader> i think we will tie this to a country
[10:53] <roger2> I’m afraid there will be a lot more of this today…those responsible know this will be their last hooray…they will be caught and dealt with
[10:53] <trader> the people will demand it
[10:53] <WallStArb>  in UPITT
[10:53] <WallStArb> [10:52] <dongo> oil prices so
[10:53] <locust> US needs to secure its borders
[10:54] <WallStArb> NEW YORK, Sep 11, 2001 (AP WorldStream via COMTEX)  Authorities went on alert from coast to coast Tuesday, halting all air traffic, evacuating highprofile buildings and tightening security at strategic facilities following the attacks on the World Trade Center and the U.S. Defense Department.
[10:54] <WallStArb> Evacuations were ordered at the United Nations building in New York and at the Sears Tower in Chicago.
[10:54] <WallStArb> “Usually the building is so full of activity, and now there’s no one in the hallways. It’s creepy,” said Cathy Grable, a 31yearold interior designer who was leaving the Sears Tower.
[10:54] <WallStArb> Security was increased at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland, home to the Army’s main germ warfare defense laboratory.
[10:54] <WallStArb> Spokesman Charles Dasey said police at the gates were stopping cars without identification stickers and might search even those with stickers.
[10:54] <WallStArb> In California, Gov. Gray Davis convened a meeting of the State Emergency Council and requested heightened security in all state buildings.
[10:54] <WallStArb> In Los Angeles, the police went on tactical alert, and mobilized an antiterrorist division. A tactical alert means officers are held over from the earlier shift to bolster the day shift and police only respond to priority calls.
[10:54] <itchy> Please, dont use the name of the Lord like that
[10:54] <Hunter> if anyone lives near nyc, go to your blood bank and make a donation
[10:54] <trendline> yess he is upitt
[10:54] <sunnyyyy> yes  hunter
[10:54] *** modorales was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[10:54] <butch35> trendline please pm me
[10:55] <itchy> thx the fed
[10:55] <Targetman2> Scenario: You work 40 hours a week in the Sears Tower or the Hancock, do you go to work tomorrow? Do you go to work next week?????
[10:55] <nICK> 3rd plane pentagon
[10:55] <oho> *DJ Third Plane Crashes On Pentagon Building – Sky News
[10:55] <lx2> Yassir expessing regret
[10:55] <sail> MW 10:54 USAF FIGHTERS SCRAMBLED, PATROLLING AROUND WASH-SKY
[10:55] <trendline> i dont know how to do pm butfch please help
[10:55] <mrube> 3d plane crashed pentagon
[10:55] <Cha-ching> f yassir
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[10:55] <Commonman> tech is both our future and our potential downfall..never before could so much damage be done by so few
[10:55] <cotton> what size were the planes ?
[10:55] <mzk> It is time to get rid of Bin Laden, U.S. better take care of this matter.
[10:55] <diesl> 737
[10:55] <skifreak> there knocking out our defence,this is bad
[10:55] <smr> .
[10:55] <trendline> can you pm me butch
[10:55] <lapilot> & 575
[10:55] <Photon> What is the most up to date channel to watch ?????
[10:56] <lapilot> 757
[10:56] <sunnyyyy> news cong from airlines coming
[10:56] <Targetman2> I hear NO fighter jets here in Chicago protrolling and its starting to really irritate me
[10:56] <Paid4it> The attack on Pearl resulted in over 2400 dead
[10:56] <mzk> msnbc is doing a great job
[10:56] <trader> blow up all afganastan to make sure we get bin ladden
[10:56] <stockpimp> NASA evacuated here in Houston
[10:56] <itchy> Fighter Planes scrambled…Maybe to shoot down hijacked plane
[10:56] <Photon> thx mzk
[10:56] <Ariconda> they all try to be in all places at once
[10:56] <patman> tman none in detroit yet either making me scared
[10:56] <WallStArb> Perl harbor had 2400 dead, its very possible this will be many times worse
[10:56] <Cha-ching> trader you are so right
[10:56] <sunnyyyy> gawd i am 3 minutes from the space center
[10:56] <edvard> sunnyyyy houston?
[10:56] <edvard> or where
[10:56] <sunnyyyy> houston
[10:56] <StephenB> PH was a military target…this is the heart of civilian America..much worse
[10:57] <Targetman2> I have NO WAY out of here…no car..I dare not enter an arab driven cab…im stuck
[10:57] <lx2> 10:55am 09/11/01   MSNBC REPORTS AN ADDITIONAL EXPLOSION HEARD IN NYC
[10:57] <crackerGA> no way those towers were completely evacuated before collapses
[10:57] <lx2>  10:54am 09/11/01   USAF FIGHTERS SCRAMBLED, PATROLLING AROUND WASH-SKY
[10:57] <Guest64562> the us is going to be turned into a police state… life will never be the same imo
[10:57] <incognito> tactically the East Coast would be in more danger due to distance
[10:57] <smr> .
[10:57] <skifreak> wonder if fort nox is next?
[10:57] <mzk> pretty bad when i come to the stock chat room to vent. This is the last straw, if U.S doesn’t bomb Bin Laden and get rid of his butt, The heck with Bush
[10:57] <trader> thats what they want is a police state
[10:57] <mikew> well now I know why Bush was allows to win by 300 votes, this type attack requires toughness, not soft heart, and I’m a democrat and now glad of it
[10:57] <trader> We cant allow ity
[10:57] <Cha-ching> execute all the middle east leaders as payback
[10:57] <Targetman2> incognito thats not true…these people are all over the country…we are LOADED with them here in Chicago
[10:58] <CapnJon>  This is state sponsored terrorism in as far as any terrorist group must have a base from which to operate, reprisals will target the nation as well as the specific terrorist group ivolved
[10:58] <mzk> doesn’t matter how soft u are, they have went way to far this tiem
[10:58] <lx2>  10:57am 09/11/01   ISRAEL EVACUATES EMBASSY IN LONDON – CNBC
[10:58] *** mikew was kicked by Scorp^ (violation of policy… http://www.FinancialChat.com/About/code.asp)
[10:58] <lx2>  10:56am 09/11/01   NYMEX, COMEX OFFICIALS UNREACHABLE; TRADING HALTED
[10:58] <mzk> tiem=time
[10:58] <JT> camp david crash
[10:58] <incognito> yes but as in WWII distance is always a factor for aircraft.
[10:58] <CIAP> Tension and emotions are as high as the Golf War day 1.
[10:58] <Guest64562> bin laden is not the ultimate problem, its the ideas behind him that threaten us
[10:58] <skifreak> our defence has been sorry for years imo
[10:58] <lapilot> taking off from washing national airport, you are only 3 minutes or so from hitting the white house
[10:58] <roger2> this attact is bigger than Pearl Harbor…more lives lost and damage it seems
[10:58] <StephenB> oh…pics on New England Cable news from WABC in NY….people all bloodied, major debris over everybody…clothing tattered
[10:58] <flier>     “IA has learned that the terrorists in control of the two planes that
[10:58] <flier> crashed into the World Trade Center this morning were probably Muslim
[10:58] <flier> extremists,” according to sources.  “They say the air traffic control tower at
[10:58] <flier> JFK airport in New York apparently has a recording of the struggle in the
[10:58] <flier> cockpit in one of the aircraft.  The language being spoken by the terrorists
[10:58] <flier> indicate that they are likely Middle Eastern Muslims.”
[10:58] <JT> where is camp david?
[10:58] <mzk> true, but only Bin Laden had the resources to this magnitude
[10:58] <set911> To cause that kind of damage and total structural failure to those towers, the planes had to be packed with explosives.
[10:58] <locust> <oldmankangnews> JFK airport in New York apparently has a recording of the struggle in the
[10:58] <locust> <smakagator> 10:53am 09/11/01   HIJACKED AIRLINER HEADING TOWARDS WASHINGTON-SKY
[10:58] <locust> <oldmankangnews> cockpit in one of the aircraft.  The language being spoken by the terrorists
[10:58] <locust> <oldmankangnews> indicate that they are likely Middle Eastern Muslims.”
[10:58] <locust> <oldmankangnews>     IA identified its source as a high-level intelligence contact.
[10:58] <Targetman2> tensions and emotions are WAY BEYOND the gulf war
[10:58] <dongo> it could be Saddam hussain
[10:59] <itchy> Its fine to speculate on who did it, but lets be careful to not outright accuse
[10:59] <Horse4> tensions are higher CIAP- this is on US soil..
[10:59] <dongo> true
[10:59] <AnnaInVA> <Junior1>  ALERT  camp david plane crash
[10:59] <lapilot> remember the cessna 150 that landed at the white house a few years ago?
[10:59] <mzk> It is time for war on all terrosists, noone can deny this
[10:59] <Perse> $null
[11:00] <Targetman2> why have they not blown that plane out of the sky yet?
[11:00] <mzk> I can’t imagine how many thousands of people just parished, if not 10’s of thousands
[11:00] <WallStArb> I am being told the PLANE in Pittsburg crashed into Camp David
[11:00] <WallStArb> but I didnt think Camp David was in Pennsylvania
[11:00] <JayT> true
[11:00] <skifreak> its time to close all us borders
[11:00] <Guest64562> when a final count is made, and faces are attached to the #’s, it will be devastating
[11:00] <mzk> its not
[11:00] <StephenB> Maryland
[11:00] <Parlay> knucklehead on tv interview suggesting that we bomb 7-11’s. sheesh.
[11:00] <mzk> Camp David NOT in PA
[11:00] <meebbie> so there is something in pittsburg after all….
[11:00] <butch35> plane near pitts is in small town called somerset
[11:00] <Gr8-1> Wally no
[11:00] <Targetman2> no internet URL has live video feeds?
[11:01] <WallStArb> Thats what I thought
[11:01] <WallStArb> SOmeone was reporting it was going to camp david
[11:01] <mzk> I couldn’t get on to some sites
[11:01] <sail> MW 11:00 PLANE CRASHES AT CAMP DAVID – CBS NEWS
[11:01] <TrueGold> cd is w/i 10 miles of pa border
[11:01] <WallStArb> hmmm
[11:01] <Perse> yaho TV?
[11:01] <meebbie> Wally I think that a plain has just crashed at camp david
[11:01] <PimpDiddy> yes cnn.com
[11:01] <Perse> yhoo TV?
[11:01] <StephenB> why there…?  surely they know nobody is there
[11:01] <sail> must be another plane
[11:01] <Cha-ching> what’s todays date 9 11 pretty damm ironic
[11:01] <crackerGA> United flight 93 crash into camp david per cbs
[11:02] <mzk> That it is Cha-ching, that will be some talk for some time
[11:02] <lapilot> 767 fuel capacity 23,980 gallons of jet fuel
[11:02] <lx2>  11:01am 09/11/01   WPXI — SOMERSET, PA. PLANE WAS BOUND FOR CHICAGO
[11:02] <lx2>  11:00am 09/11/01   PLANE CRASHES AT CAMP DAVID – CBS NEWS
[11:02] <lx2>  11:01am 09/11/01   WPXI — PLANE IN SOMERSET, PA BELIEVED TO BE HIJACKED
[11:02] <lx2>  10:58am 09/11/01   NY ARMY NATIONAL GUARD ‘ON STANDBY’: SPOKESPERSON
[11:02] <tradingtrader> go donate blood everyone
[11:02] <patman> hope bush still in the air
[11:02] <Thor> It looked to me like the towers were dropped by internal explosives, if so the delay blasts might have been planned
[11:02] <tradingtrader> People should go donate blood across the nation.
[11:02] <mzk> the frustration built up in me right now, man
[11:02] <highbid> agree skifreak, we have allowed this kind of thing to happen..now whoever this is..has enough people within the US to pull it off..time for a change of thinking on open borbers
[11:02] <EricD> thor- the towers collapsed from top down
[11:02] <StephenB> thor, 2nd tower looked like it fell from the top down
[11:03] <mzk> it did
[11:03] <Yojimbo> I can’t get cnn.com, anyone else with live feed?
[11:03] <locust> stephenb – collapsing upper floors took down all below it
[11:03] <sail> MW 11:01 WPXI — SOMERSET, PA. PLANE WAS BOUND FOR CHICAGO
[11:03] <sail> MW 11:01 WPXI — PLANE IN SOMERSET, PA BELIEVED TO BE HIJACKED
[11:03] <lx2>  11:02am 09/11/01   NY MAYOR: PEOPLE IN LOWER MANHATTAN SHOULD HEAD NORTH
[11:03] <StephenB> I thought like U at first, but the replay showed the top crumbled while the bottom was still intact for a few seconds
[11:03] <Grag> looked clear to me 2nd tower fell in on itself
[11:03] <mzk> many sites overloaded
[11:03] <locust> fire weakend steel beams etc
[11:03] <skj> height of attack on towers probably planned to allow enough wight above to cause the collapse
[11:03] <Commonman> the way the tower fell was exactly how they fall when they are intentionally razed
[11:03] <doggo> cme closed
[11:03] <Commonman> straight down
[11:03] <StephenB> agreed locust
[11:03] <WallStArb>   By Erik Ahlberg  Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
[11:03] <WallStArb>  CHICAGO (Dow Jones)Tenants of Chicago’s Sears Tower and John Hancock buildings were evacuated Tuesday morning, despite early speculation.
[11:03] <WallStArb>  Many workers lined city streets with cell phones, while others headed directly to public transportation.
[11:03] <WallStArb>  All Chicagoarea federal buildings were being evacuated as of 9:30 am CDT. Other evacuated buildings include the John Hancock building, the Merchandise Mart, and the Wrigley Building, according to broadcast reports.
[11:03] <WallStArb>  All of Chicago’s stock and derivatives exchanges suspended trading, with some markets failing to open.
[11:03] <Ltdc> Plane just crashed at Camp David   cbs news
[11:03] <sail> DJ 11:03 *DJ NY Mayor Calls For Evacuation Of Lower Manhattan – Sky
[11:03] <EricD> saw a replay of the first tower collapse- it was the same
[11:04] <locust> althouhg it did look like demolition charges set off top to bottom
[11:04] <mzk> very true commonman, planes that hit those towers new where to hit them for stuctural purposes
[11:04] <sail> DJ 11:04 DJ SEC In Contact With Markets, To Resume Trade ASAP
[11:04] <gtt> how many planes total so far?
[11:04] <WallStArb> TODAY WAS THE ANNIVERSARY OF TH EPEACE ACCORD
[11:04] <PT1> NBC had good footage of how the top of one tower collapsed downward
[11:04] <DezertRat> Thor needs to take a mechanical engineering class
[11:04] <StephenB> a 757 is pretty heavy loaded…surprised the towers stayed up at all with the additional weight loading
[11:04] <crackerGA> 4 minimum
[11:04] <meebbie> No state department car bomb….
[11:04] <EricD> 5 planes so far I think
[11:04] <trader> why open the markets
[11:04] <crackerGA> several still unaccounted for per FAA
[11:04] <locust> is SEC nuts ?
[11:04] <oak> meebbie, ABCNEWS.com states tehe was capitol bomb
[11:04] <GoldenGoose> at Camp David from September 5 to
[11:04] <trader> it would be wrong to do so
[11:04] <Jena> Folks… it’s amazing the Internet is still up.
[11:04] <GoldenGoose>      September 17, 1978, and have agreed on the following framework for peace in the Middle East.
[11:04] <trader> sec wants that revenue
[11:05] <mzk> I doubt markets will be open tomorrow
[11:05] <mzk> 50/50 imo
[11:05] <tradingtrader> jena well this is what internet was build for…any kind of attacks.
[11:05] <Thor> dezert..to me it looked like street level explosives
[11:05] <Commonman> the strength of the internet is that it DOES stay up
[11:05] <WallStArb> Today is the anniversary of the Camp David Peace Accord
[11:05] <Commonman> because of packet routing
[11:05] <StephenB> it is
[11:05] <lx2> aniiversary for midele east accord?
[11:05] <locust> redundancy
[11:05] <Commonman> most of it can survive anything
[11:05] <meebbie> internet is international… you couldn’t close it down even if you blew up the whole of America….
[11:05] <beck> DC closed off and being evacuated
[11:05] <Rollo> the internet was originaly designed for a situation like this
[11:05] <mzk> as cha-ching said it, The date today says it all “9 11
[11:05] <EricD> world trade center still has a few floors left. just say it on cbs
[11:05] <highbid> interesting that they didn’t hit the white house first..glad they didn’t..but still strange
[11:05] <GoldenGoose> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/campdav.htm
[11:05] <EricD> saw
[11:05] <oak> wallstarb, is that the clinton/netanyahu/arafat deal?
[11:05] <Fester> nothing yet… http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ebaytag1=ebayreg&ht=1&query=world+trade+center&SortProperty=MetaEndSort
[11:05] <StephenB> that’s the way the Internet was designed…in case of war…heh..it works
[11:05] <lapilot> 154,000 lbs of the jet disappeared right off the bat when it crashed in the form of jet fuel
[11:06] <StephenB> true lapilot
[11:06] <Commonman> packets can change routes dynamically..shut part down..they just go another route
[11:06] <dumper> Imagine if that hurricane in the Atlantic hit NYC ow
[11:06] <dumper> now
[11:06] <Guest64562> we are gonna start to understand how the israelis have felt for a long time- under seige
[11:06] <mzk> The footage is incredible, I can’t believe it
[11:06] <pttrdr> bin laden is history now
[11:06] <Jena> yes, we will feel for the Israelis.
[11:06] <mainstreet> I’m feeling sick
[11:07] <highbid> god speed all, heading for Red Cross..try to do what you can..
[11:07] <lx2>  11:04am 09/11/01   NY MAYOR: TRY TO REMAIN CALM, ASSIST IN RESCUE EFFORTS
[11:07] <`rambler> yup 562
[11:07] <mainstreet> briefing.com closing for day
[11:07] <Parlay> would it make any difference to give blood in Los Angeles?
[11:07] <cotton> geez … #daytraders chat ops are now making totally unwarranted, unprincipled and arbitrary kicks
[11:08] <meebbie> it makes sense to give blood all over the states….
[11:08] <locust> girlfriend works at naval base  now at threatcon charlie   http://www.wpafb.af.mil/sfs/threatcon.html
[11:08] <Matt> Didn’t  they always?
[11:08] <incog> yes it would Parlay
[11:08] <songw> do what you can to help–if you can’t think of anything try a prayer for your country
[11:08] <meebbie> blood will be flown from all parts of the country into NYC
[11:08] <liz> yes – blood can and will be transported where needed
[11:08] <WallStArb> My brother is a NYC cop and just called my parents, he’s fine
[11:08] <cotton> ill give an example
[11:08] <StephenB> sick but there might be some real losers, looting and raping people in places like NYC taking advantage of the confusion…If you live there, BE SAFE
[11:08] <meebbie> congrats Wally
[11:08] <butch35> thank god wally
[11:08] <WallStArb> He said its major chaos
[11:08] <liz> thank goodness, wally
[11:08] <incog> thank God Wally
[11:08] <scorpio> good to hear Wally
[11:08] <duke> Good Walley
[11:08] <Mas> thank god wally
[11:08] <cotton> <StockJock-e> They should open the markets and let them be just to show that the US does not come to stand still because of all of this
[11:08] <stockpimp> nice Wally !
[11:08] <sail> nice wally
[11:08] <StephenB> good wally!!
[11:08] <agent99> wally, all u hear are sirens
[11:08] <cotton> *** StockJock-e was kicked by DT ( · Noise // Off Topic · )
[11:08] <Axel> nice wally!!
[11:08] <itchy> You can bet that NORAD is on alert
[11:09] <BMW_MPower> great to hear Wally
[11:09] <Nana> very happy to hear Wally
[11:09] <DezertRat> nice news Wally
[11:09] <sammythebull> cant do it cotton …wtc has a lot of infa for trading
[11:09] <mzk> hmm, yes open the markets and watch it tank 1000 pts. I don’t think so
[11:09] <patman> yes good wally
[11:09] <boomy> great news Wally
[11:09] <sammythebull> phone lines
[11:09] <tradingtrader> enough with the good news wally ..jesus. tons of people dead
[11:09] <locust> good to hear wally
[11:09] <jane86z> one nephew managed to get out of NYC to long Island by subway – can’t reach others now –
[11:09] *** tradingtrader was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[11:09] <Nana> well we can be thankful to hear some are ok
[11:10] <Ltdc> My girlfriends son is in a school 4/10’s of a mile from the north tower and he just called. The kids are OK
[11:10] <locust> hoping everyone hears from their loved ones in NYC
[11:10] <Taps> thanks tHefED
[11:10] <dumper> The bidders on E-bay for World trade center stuff are unreal !
[11:10] <Irish3> good kick
[11:10] <mzk> there is no good news, just the lucky ones, my heart is with all
[11:10] <Guest64562> doubt markets will open tomorrow either
[11:10] <JayT> This has to be more tragic the the attack of Peral Harbour and more people killed in one single attack.
[11:10] <Hunter> yes jay
[11:10] <ZOOS150> washington dc jet circled by air force jets
[11:10] <ZOOS150> might be shot down
[11:10] <cotton> sammy sure i agree with your view  but that comment resulted in a kick
[11:10] <ResearcherA1> my AMERITECH phone line in chicago not working after calling middle east..
[11:11] <jane86z> daughter’s boyfriend, visiting from Seattle, might have saved her life – going to work at WTC late – boyfriend was due to fly home tonight
[11:11] <Jena> UAL flight crashed at Camp David
[11:11] <kass> can anyone confirm, how mane planes still missing
[11:11] <Jena> my neighbor’s dayghter works in WTC ..she hasn’t heard from her, and is frantic.
[11:11] <lx2> 11:09am 09/11/01   FAA SAYS SEVERAL PLANES UNACCOUNTED FOR –SKY NEWS
[11:11] <corruptor> several?
[11:11] <corruptor> what is several?
[11:11] <corruptor> more than 5?
[11:11] <lx2> dunno
[11:11] <jane86z> no movie has come close to this – none
[11:12] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> jena source?
[11:12] <dafool> what kind of God do these people pray to?
[11:12] <sail> MW 11:11 AIRPORTS IN CANADA SHUT DOWN — MSNBC
[11:12] <speedy>  FAA SAYS SEVERAL PLANES UNACCOUNTED FOR –SKY NEWS
[11:12] <Glynn> son works in lower Manhattan, but in Tokyo on business…many of his friends work in WTC top floors
[11:12] <Jena> CBS Radio NY
[11:12] <bigpappa>  Amer. Flt 11, Amer Flt. 77, United flight 93 and United Flight 175 all hijacked this morning and apparently there has been some conversation recorded from the planes
[11:12] <JACS> they dont pray to god they pray to the devil
[11:12] <pttrdr> there isnt a hole deep enough for bin laden to crawl into now
[11:12] <Guest64562> with thousands of planes in air simultaneously god knows how many could have been hijacked
[11:12] <StephenB> sorry Glynn  hope they were late to work
[11:12] *** JACS was kicked by WallStArb (violation of policy… http://www.financialchat.com/About/code.asp)
[11:12] <jane86z> daughter’s job is bombed out
[11:13] <bigpappa>  Amer. Flt 11, Amer Flt. 77, United flight 93 and United Flight 175 all hijacked this morning and apparently there has been some conversation recorded from the planes
[11:13] <ResearcherA1> is there any further news from middle east? i can’t get through
[11:13] <Hoover> hi
[11:13] <trader> what country is bin ladden in
[11:13] <jane86z> can anyone imagine what is going on in Israel. there was supposed to be a meeting today
[11:13] <dumper> A 3.99 plastic world trade center figure is now over 100.00 on Ebay
[11:14] <Nana> thats sick dumper
[11:14] <BMW_MPower> coome on, dumper
[11:14] <dutch> give me a break
[11:14] <locust> <oldmankangnews> AFGHAN TALIBAN CALL NEWS CONFERENCE IN PAKISTAN FOLLOWING U.S.
[11:14] <locust> <oldmankangnews> (Reuters 09/11 08:13:24)
[11:14] <locust> <oldmankangnews> ATTACKS – SPOKESMAN
[11:14] <patman> be careful mm
[11:14] <dutch> kick
[11:14] <dumper> sick isnt it !
[11:14] <jimr> thats SICK
[11:14] <jane86z> dumper was long ago put on ignore
[11:14] <Targetman2> My God
[11:14] <djhds> is the NYSE located in World trade senter ?
[11:14] <sunnyyyy> building was full
[11:14] <Targetman2> 10,000 people PER TOWER
[11:14] <mainstreet> no
[11:14] <lapilot> 767 could be carrying up to 272 passengers
[11:14] *** Guest46826 is now known as smr
[11:14] <jane86z> NYSE in the area – not in the center
[11:14] <JACS> nyse 5 blocks away
[11:14] <sail> usually 10,000 people in each tower at 9am
[11:14] <bobby44> nyse not in tower
[11:14] *** Guest43289 is now known as oxoli
[11:15] <patman> yes
[11:15] <patman> mm
[11:15] <djhds> ok…what is in the tower then ?
[11:15] <patman> i hear ya
[11:15] <Udaman> Maria B. was reporting earlier from NYSE
[11:15] <trader> more people could of been murdered today than all of those killed during vietnam
[11:15] <ZOOS150> what I dont understand is how could they not know where the other planes are
[11:15] <mainstreet> just got a message all McDonald Brokerage offices closed must leave… all employees
[11:15] <trader> thats how big this is
[11:15] <jane86z> major banks in WTC – majro inancial offices
[11:15] <Perse> camp David?
[11:15] <EricD> thats a fair question- what/who was in the towers?
[11:15] <x123> We are now getting a wake up call, one whose death toll with easily exceed that of Pearl Harbor, that the only way to deal with potential terrorists is with a bullet between the eyes.    They do NOT understand dipomacy.
[11:15] <lx2> Morgan Stanley
[11:15] <bobby44> no major datacenters are in WTC
[11:16] <bucko> UPDATE 1-Bin Laden warned of “unprecedented” U.S. attack-expert
[11:16] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:15:55)
[11:16] <bucko>  (Adds quotes)
[11:16] <bucko>     By Karen Matusic
[11:16] <bucko>     LONDON, Sept 11 (Reuters) – Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden
[11:16] <bucko> warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out
[11:16] <bucko> an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of
[11:16] <bucko> Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said on Tuesday.
[11:16] <jane86z> only saw your name dumper – have the color of your msg same as my background —
[11:16] <Targetman2> I wonder which currency will be the safest for people to hold there money
[11:16] <trader> swiss
[11:16] <locust> attacks are probably done now
[11:16] <Guest64562> gold
[11:16] <trader> franc
[11:16] <jimpea> Taliban news conference soon
[11:16] <Hoover> how long since last attack
[11:16] <jimpea> CNN
[11:16] <Hoover> how many mintues
[11:16] <Hoover> since last one
[11:16] <MACDuck> 8 years
[11:16] <WallStArb> Afghanistan has nuclear weapons
[11:16] <Hoover> no
[11:16] <Hoover> how manyminutes
[11:16] <craigk2> our cia has be weakened to the point where things like this can happen
[11:16] <Hoover> since last attack
[11:17] <MACDuck> 15minutes
[11:17] <MACDuck> camp david
[11:17] <Commonman>  Afghanistan has nukes? I never heard that
[11:17] <trader> dont think so wally but pakistan does
[11:17] <hawk> .
[11:17] <jimpea> Afghanistan has nuc. weapons
[11:17] <Commonman> I find that hard to believe
[11:17] <incog> and they should not
[11:17] <trader> biological attacks now really worry me
[11:17] <lx2> 11:15am 09/11/01   NYC PORT AUTHORITY SAYS IT HAS NO ESTIMATE OF SURVIVORS
[11:17] <lx2>  11:11am 09/11/01   FRANCE’S CHIRAC CALLS NYC BOMBING A ‘MONSTROUS ATTACK’
[11:17] <lx2>  11:12am 09/11/01   RUSSIA’S PUTIN SENDS CONDOLENCES TO AMERICANS
[11:17] <WallStArb> hmm
[11:17] <AbsolutTrading> Afganistan has NO   NO NUKES
[11:17] <gauss> pakastan and india havenukes but who knows what weapons that rouge russians may have sold
[11:17] <WallStArb> actually maybe its Pakistan I am thinking of
[11:17] <locust> russians sold/missing several suitcasae size nukes – demolition charges   can take out a few sqaure city blocks
[11:17] <Krawuttke> a german website reports: palestins are glad about this attack, shoot with their guns in the air and dance
[11:17] <Scorp^> hmmm, screen just popped up showing a nas futs settle price at 1370
[11:17] <Commonman> it is Pakistan
[11:18] <Commonman> we know they and India do
[11:18] <WallStArb> ok sorry
[11:18] <tups> if these guys who did it in NYC would have had nukes, they would have released it
[11:18] <jimpea> taliban incalculable in the last months
[11:18] <craigk2> we have to neutralize the threat
[11:18] <trader> but they do have gas and bilogical bombs
[11:18] <AbsolutTrading> PAKISTAN has NUKES
[11:18] <Photon> Pakistan does have nuclear weapons
[11:18] <craigk2> and there is only one way to do it
[11:18] <deac> recently zillions of fish in kuwaiti waters died suspected biological warfare outa iran
[11:18] <mamapg> afghanistan has RUSSIAN nukes
[11:18] <Hood> They can kill our people..but they can’t break our spirit..we’ll get them
[11:18] <ZOOS150> US can take them out
[11:18] <jlapalma> what is the estimate human casualty at WTC ?? I don’t care about anything else, hopefully less than 100, plz plz !!
[11:18] <mzk> If the U.S. doesn’t go after this full force and attack ALL terrorists sites, Then I will be saddend beyond belief,
[11:18] <StephenB> airlines around the world, recalling flights to the US already in the air
[11:18] <Guest64562> hate to say it but time to screen for companies making bomb detecting / scanning equipmnet
[11:18] <craigk2> every known terroist on the list must die
[11:18] <ZOOS150> major loss of life at Pentagon
[11:18] <locust> iranians working on nukes with help of russians and n koreans
[11:18] <craigk2> and now
[11:18] <PimpDiddy> yeah but most pakis’ and indians hate each others guts
[11:18] <trader> why worry about nukes, the bugs u cant see could be next thats whats scary
[11:18] <ZOOS150> being reported by cbs
[11:19] <deac> wash times had a scoop today said ‘bush provokes arabs’
[11:19] *** Targetman2 is now known as gone-to-save-wife
[11:19] <mzk> Bid Laden laughing as we speak, what a shame
[11:19] <^maxim^> be carefull of what you are asking for, you may actually get it…
[11:19] <Perse> American airlans in camp david?
[11:19] <Perse> crash
[11:19] <Tra`verse> it has to be palinstin, isreal has been killing at random there recently using usa tax payer money
[11:19] <deac> http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010911-6602755.htm
[11:19] <ZOOS150> 4 planes missing
[11:19] <Guest64562> guess bush gonna get his missille defense $$ now..
[11:19] <Udaman> hate to say it jlapalma….but it will be in the thousands most likely
[11:19] <trader> hope so guest
[11:19] <ZOOS150> President going to underground bunker
[11:19] <Photon> What does missle defense have to do with this
[11:19] <craigk2> missile defense wouldn’t have helped this
[11:19] <ResearcherA1> TRAVERSE.. keep private politics out of this, serves no purpose
[11:19] <StephenB> missle defense wouldn’t have prevented this
[11:19] <mzk> noone will use nukes,
[11:19] <Guest64562> true
[11:19] <mainstreet> Bush prolly will remain in air force one
[11:19] *** Guest65334 is now known as Scottie
[11:19] <Aardvark> aye, shows how useless star wars is
[11:19] <jane86z> we need Clinton’s brain in the government
[11:19] <craigk2> what we need to do is go kick some butt
[11:19] <sunnyyyy> pres going underground?
[11:19] <Ariconda> mamapg what you want to say?
[11:20] <gauss> missile defense irrelevant like generals fighting the last war
[11:20] <lx2>  11:15am 09/11/01   [HNZ] H.J. HEINZ POSTPONES ANNUAL SHAREHOLDER MEETING
[11:20] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> stick to news plz
[11:20] <craigk2> he will fly around in AF1 fully equiped
[11:20] <mzk> I want to know how the plane got through to the pentagon, should have been shot down
[11:20] <lx2>  11:16am 09/11/01   [LUV] SOUTHWEST AIRLINES: ALL FLIGHTS SAFE, ACCOUNTED FOR
[11:20] <ResearcherA1> is there anyone here in this chatroom from europe. can you please report conditions there..
[11:20] <Photon> Cinton’s brain would be nice right now
[11:20] <Tra`verse> a 20 kiloton nuke can be hand carried, no defense agaist it
[11:20] <craigk2> me too
[11:20] <tups> shut down with innocent 200 ppl in there?
[11:20] <lx2> Oslo is quiet!
[11:20] <Guest64562> but attack does reinforce idea that we have serious threats
[11:20] <locust> klintoon’s the one who gutted the military/intelligence infrastructure
[11:20] <jlapalma> hope not, Udaman !
[11:20] <craigk2>  it was 20 min after trade centers
[11:20] <locust> you can thank him
[11:20] <ResearcherA1> anybody else in europe.. please report conditions.
[11:20] <Est_guy> Tallinn (Estonia) is quiet too..
[11:20] <crackerGA> American Airlines flights each had under 90 passengers and 10 crew
[11:20] <wings> markets overhere are down 8%
[11:20] <gauss> gw is going to have to calm the world
[11:20] <DezertRat> Clinton right now would be consulting with an intern you dopes !!
[11:21] <TheTulp> markets did re-opened no respect
[11:21] <Perse> Spain open
[11:21] <Scottie> here is a site of a minister I know, check it out about today www.worldministries.org
[11:21] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> dell down?
[11:21] <crackerGA> ABC reporting bomb threat in NYC school
[11:21] <finch> tasteless dezertrat
[11:21] <DChristie> there’s bomb in the school via nbc
[11:21] <DCarey> NBC too
[11:21] <wolli> what about tallinn estonia
[11:21] <craigk2> man how can you worry about $$$ at this point
[11:21] <gauss> stupid copy cats
[11:21] <Ltdc> That’s the school my girlfriends school is in
[11:21] <craigk2> life as we know it has changed
[11:22] <tups> btw, really, who cares if markets are opened or not?
[11:22] <StephenB> PA crash was United Airlines….CNN
[11:22] <Tra`verse> life hasn`t changed, just awareness has come home
[11:22] *** DezertRat was kicked by WallStArb (WallStArb)
[11:22] *** DezertRat was kicked by ChanServ (User has been banned from this channel)
[11:22] <DChristie> Pittsbrugh
[11:22] <ResearcherA1> anybody in europe here? please describe scene
[11:22] <liz> thats right
[11:22] <jane86z> life has changed – infrastructure will affect many
[11:22] <WallStArb> LIfe has changed for many, especially those that were in the vicinity
[11:22] <kass> in estonia its fine
[11:22] <Ariconda> anyone,wyats the last info n tht last plane near washington?
[11:22] <TheTulp> shocked just like you researcher
[11:22] <craigk2> the problem is not in europe
[11:22] <mainstreet> qqq’s trade in europe?
[11:22] <sail> how many major corps are headquartered or have offices in wtc?
[11:22] <mzk> life hasn’t changed?? no not much, just the 10,000 families who have lost a loved one
[11:22] <craigk2> it is here
[11:23] <ZOOS150> Camp david plane forced down by air force
[11:23] <Est_guy> we’re listening and watching the news.. we’re very troubled..
[11:23] <wolli> all the major news channels give continuous coverage in estonia too
[11:23] <Nana> or more mzk
[11:23] <Tra`verse> bbc is broadcasted over the internet
[11:23] <stockup> Wasinton is being patroled by military
[11:23] <mzk> yes
[11:23] <ResearcherA1> THE TULP.. where are you?
[11:23] <Trapper1> yes they are affected the most the friends and family of the victims
[11:23] <ResearcherA1> which country , TULP?
[11:23] <wolli> russian news agency has some coverage in english and a lot more in russian
[11:23] <John_de_Jong> Dutch stockmarket closed. All TV stations continious broadcasting
[11:23] <ZOOS150> American airlines loss contact with 2 flights
[11:23] <jlapalma> there are approximately 40,000 people working at WTC vicinity, 150,000 traffics daily
[11:24] <TheTulp> netherlands, we feel with you as this is not a country problem but a world problem
[11:24] <StephenB> Massachusetts officials asking people to refrain from calling 911
[11:24] <meebbie> sorry…. Belgium is fine… but many are watching…. television stations from Belgium .. .France… England… Germany… and America… all covering this
[11:24] <mzk> Many countries laughing and cheering at us right now, what a shame
[11:24] <xray7> us army on highest state of alert, cnbc
[11:24] <Threshr> cell phone call made 911 as hi-jacking occured, cnbc
[11:24] <jane86z> this will have global effects – MEGA effects
[11:24] <meebbie> sorry… Dutch television is also showing this….
[11:24] <Est_guy> it’s a pity, that world’s most powerful country has been hit…
[11:24] <itchy> Watch foreign markets FALL tonight
[11:25] <ResearcherA1> MEEBBIE, thanks. where are you, which country?
[11:25] <mzk> U.S should not even wait to attack terrorists sites. They know where they are, who’s there, etc. FIGHT< FIGHT< FIGHT
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[11:25] <Ariconda> all major russian channels cair it too
[11:25] <Ariconda> airing
[11:25] <lx2> 11:23am 09/11/01   CRASHED FLIGHT NEAR PITTSBURGH WAS UNITED JET – CNN
[11:25] <jane86z> confidence is shot – now targetted, controlled anger will martial people to action when the shock has subsided
[11:25] <locust> BBC site overwhelmed
[11:25] <Guest64562> this is a very sad day for many reasons, not the least is the loss of freedoms we will eventually suffer
[11:26] <wolli> wolli is from estonia
[11:26] <bucko> American Confirms Two Aircraft Lost
[11:26] <bucko> (PR Newswire 09/11 11:25:57)
[11:26] <bucko>     FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ — American Airlines confirmed
[11:26] <bucko> today that it lost two aircraft in tragic incidents this morning.  American
[11:26] <bucko> said the flights were Flight 11, a Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los
[11:26] <bucko> Angeles with 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots; and
[11:26] <bucko> Flight 77, a Boeing 757 operating from Washington Dulles to Los Angeles with
[11:26] <bucko> 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots.
[11:26] <jane86z> yes – freedoms will be reigned in
[11:26] <gladiator> get the mossad to wipe out the bastads that did this they probably know who did this horrendous act
[11:27] <John_de_Jong> Showing Palestinian people who are celebrating on Dutch tv.
[11:27] <WallStArb> NEW YORK, Sep 11, 2001 (AP Online via COMTEX)  Authorities went on alert from coast to coast Tuesday, halting all air traffic, evacuating highprofile buildings and tightening security at strategic facilities following the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
[11:27] <WallStArb> Evacuations were ordered at the United Nations building in New York, the Sears Tower in Chicago and the tallest skyscrapers in Boston, Cleveland and Minneapolis. Seattle’s landmark Space Needle was closed.
[11:27] <WallStArb> “Usually the building is so full of activity, and now there’s no one in the hallways. It’s creepy,” said Cathy Grable, a 31yearold interior designer who was leaving the Sears Tower.
[11:27] <WallStArb> In Massachusetts and Maine, most state employees were sent home, and state buildings shut down.
[11:27] <WallStArb> Military bases across the country went on alert. Extra security went into place at Department of Energy’s nuclear weapons and research complex in Oak Ridge, Tenn., the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, and at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Md., home to the Army’s main germ warfare defense laboratory.
[11:27] <John_de_Jong> Showing Palestinian people who are celebrating on Dutch tv.
[11:27] <Est_guy> how are these strategical places like pentagon and WTC so vulnerable..?
[11:27] <WallStArb> They flew planes into them
[11:27] <Tra`verse> I`m near a nuke lab, sure glad there`s no planes flying
[11:27] <MACDuck> US should bomb the ragheads back to the stoneages.
[11:27] <WallStArb> not much you can do
[11:27] <lit-lady> CN tower in Canada closed down
[11:27] <Guest64562> if vietnam should have taught us, its very hard to fight this time of enemy
[11:27] *** MACDuck was kicked by Suzanne (Suzanne)
[11:27] <Yogibear101> we WERE at peace
[11:27] <Udaman> price of freedom
[11:27] <sail> DJ 11:27 *DJ FAA Says Several Planes Still Unaccounted For – Sky
[11:27] <sail> DJ 11:27 DJ Part\Pentagon Collapses -2: No Reports Of Fatalities
[11:27] <bucko> DJN: *DJ FAA Says Several Planes Still Unaccounted For – Sky
[11:27] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 11:27:53)
[11:27] <StephenB> there is an election today in MA for the late Joe Moakley’s House seat…should be invalidated, though they haven’t closed the polls yet
[11:27] <craigk2> so guest what do you do
[11:27] <ig> might not be osama… might be anti-WTO “demonstration”
[11:27] <hot> heard some news that US declaring war on Pakistan – any confirmations on this wild idea? (though nothgings wilkd any more)
[11:27] <EricD> you hit it exactly udaman
[11:27] <lx2> it’s over now…
[11:28] <jane86z> MACduck – why don’t you kill anything that breathes – they all are suspects
[11:28] <diesl> lets pray if nothing else
[11:28] <Guest64562> no idea craig
[11:28] <Tra`verse> you can`t say we were at peace if we are funding the shooting of women and children daily
[11:28] <StephenB> hot, takes an act of Congress, and they are not in session right now I don’t think
[11:28] <wolli> can anyone confirm us declaring war to pakistan
[11:28] <Scorp^> AA still has 40 planes in the air now
[11:28] <ResearcherA1> your description of Dutch TV showing palestinians celebrating is horrific . have they no values for life?
[11:28] <wolli> and whitehouse being hit
[11:28] <EricD> I dont have a problem with hitting all known terrorists whether they can be proven responsible for this or not
[11:28] <Scorp^> will take another 90 min to get em all down
[11:28] <bobby44> i wouldnt believe the war declare thing
[11:28] <Est_guy> let’s wait for US president’s announcement about this.. has it been done already?
[11:28] <jimpea> taliban are not in pakistan
[11:28] <jimpea> they are in afghanistan
[11:29] <mamapg> afghanistan
[11:29] <xstanx> i support the FBI and CIA in any way they choose to deal with this all laws limiting their operations should be lifted
[11:29] <cotton> from the instigators of the attacks point of view this action has been very effective
[11:29] <StephenB> President can ask for a war declaration, but that power is reserved to the Congress
[11:29] <bucko> UNITED AIRLINES <UAL.N> CONFIRMS FLIGHT 93 CRASHES NEAR
[11:29] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:29:21)
[11:29] <bucko> PITTSBURGH
[11:29] <bucko>  REUTERS
[11:29] <jane86z> I hope we don’t have another disgrace like innocents attacked cause they wear a head shawl
[11:29] <WallStArb> Theres a possibility we go to war with Afghanistan
[11:29] <locust> nothing on Palestinian News Agency site  http://www.wafa.pna.net/EngText/IndexE.htm
[11:29] <EricD> cant find any tv reports about the crash in puttsburgh or camp david
[11:29] <wolli> russian air forces in highest readiness
[11:29] <Tra`verse> plane coming up potomac river at high rate of speed, fox news
[11:29] <Photon> President has war powers without Congress for like 90 days I believe
[11:29] <Fester> all the “buy it now” auctions on ebay for WTC are gone now from my last post http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ebaytag1=ebayreg&ht=1&st=2&query=world+trade+center&SortProperty=MetaEndSort
[11:29] <Cha-ching> Talibon government is now on the hitlist
[11:29] <gtt> effectively the president can declare war
[11:30] <WallStArb> Atleast the Russians hate the Afghanis more then us
[11:30] <songw> lets try to be smart here–keep speculation to a minimum—-God bless and save The United States of America
[11:30] <trader> i say carpet bomb aafghanastan,level it
[11:30] <Nana> yes songw
[11:30] <StephenB> yes, Photon, that IS true
[11:30] <Photon> for a short period of time he has war powers
[11:30] <Cha-ching> Afghanistan is on the hitlist
[11:30] <bucko> here here songw
[11:30] <jane86z> songw – yes yes
[11:30] <Guest64562> need to find some way to convert the fundamentalists to capitalism..
[11:30] <Tra`verse> taliban gov hoping for usa recogition, wouldn`t be doing this
[11:30] <John_de_Jong> Pittsburgh confirmed here (Netherlands) but not sure if attack or accident
[11:30] <Mas> my cousin used to work at wtc for morgan stanley, his office moved to midtown last year, he was on phone with a colleague from wtc who said ve got to go the building is on fire
[11:30] <jimpea> DJ Hijacked/Washington -2: Hijacked Plane Targets Capitol
[11:30] <jimpea>   LONDON (Dow Jones)–There are reports of a hijacked plane heading
[11:30] <jimpea> toward Washington, according to Sky News, citing Washington police.
[11:30] <Gr8-1> Pittsburgh no accidnt
[11:31] <Photon> But they must identify these terrorists first
[11:31] <Photon> Right now, they don’t have a clue
[11:31] <x123> We are now getting a wake up call, one whose death toll with easily exceed that of Pearl Harbor, that the only way to deal with potential terrorists is with a bullet between the eyes.    They do NOT understand dipomacy.  .
[11:31] <trader> why photon,they murdered thousands of innocent americans
[11:31] <sail> DJ 11:30 DJ Hijacked\Washington -2: Hijacked Plane Targets Capitol
[11:31] <roger2> a time for prayer…do it now
[11:31] <Photon> think about it… you can’t lash out against the innocent
[11:32] <Ltdc> The sad truth is that we may never know the full extent of the casualties
[11:32] <Scottie> My guess is military action against  suspected  responsible is already being taken
[11:32] <Cha-ching> can’t wait to identify if we get the wrong ones oh well that will teach them what the fallout will be
[11:32] <jane86z> reality is that the innocent will die with the guilty
[11:32] <WallStArb> Afghanistan is already trying to distance themselves
[11:32] <John_de_Jong> http://emesnews.com claims palastinian claim on attacks
[11:32] <Photon> Cool heads will prevail
[11:32] <hot> UPDATE 1-Bin Laden warned of “unprecedented” U.S. attack-expert
[11:32] <hot> (Reuters 09/11 11:15:55)
[11:32] <hot>  (Adds quotes)
[11:32] <hot>     By Karen Matusic
[11:32] <hot>     LONDON, Sept 11 (Reuters) – Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden
[11:32] <hot> warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out
[11:32] <hot> an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of
[11:32] <hot> Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said on Tuesday.
[11:32] <WallStArb> but Bush will have to deal with them
[11:32] <Photon> not hotheads
[11:33] <trader> innocent bull, afghanastan allows bin ladden to live there
[11:33] <trader> that makes all of them guilty
[11:33] <Guest64562> israelis been jailing or shooting their enemies for some time, the enemy just keeps breeding fresh recruits
[11:33] <cotton> presumably its been targeted to strike at the heart of us economic, political and military power
[11:33] <Cha-ching> Afghanistan had to pay
[11:33] <Cha-ching> has
[11:33] <trader> u didnt loose family in the wtc building
[11:33] <trader> i did
[11:33] <liz> you did?
[11:33] <Commonman> it’s aimed at public confidence in our general safety
[11:33] <Tra`verse> sorry trader
[11:33] <Guest64562> remember the afghans defeated the russian army
[11:33] <Photon> I’m sorry trader
[11:33] <pttrdr> two generations have awoken today
[11:33] <lx2>  11:32am 09/11/01   [DE:1876534] FRANKFURT’S DAX 30 DOWN 8.9% AT 4,256.7 IN LATE TRADE
[11:33] <Nana> so sorry trader
[11:33] <Est_guy> so.. whose attacks were these.. palestinian, afganistan..?
[11:33] <hot> doesnät make ALL afgans guilty – many are suffering because of the Taleban regime. thart is not oa democracy over there!
[11:34] <WallStArb> Afghans beat an invading army
[11:34] <WallStArb> theres a big difference
[11:34] <hot> true wally!
[11:34] <bobby44> not everyone inAfganistan is against us
[11:34] <Guest64562> true but i just think you have to remember that these groups are very tough
[11:34] <Photon> very true
[11:34] <Ariconda> us mil forces – mobilization called?
[11:34] <liz> extremists are the problem
[11:34] <hot> though we might see some missiles heading to afgan ground in a week…
[11:35] <bobby44> in matter of fact radical fundamentalists there were actually having clashes with Iran about a year ago !
[11:35] *** bg-afk is now known as bg
[11:35] <lx2> 11:34am 09/11/01   [FR:1804546] PARIS CAC 40 CLOSES DOWN 7.2% AT 4,067.7
[11:35] <Threshr> those responsible may also benefit from the fall in world markets
[11:35] <CEO_> is the market open ?
[11:35] <Udaman> no
[11:35] <Photon> no
[11:35] <EricD> ni
[11:35] <codeblue> what time (Eastern) was the second wtc attack?
[11:35] <Mel1> 757 from Austin Tx still unnacounted for
[11:35] <itchy> You justwatch Japan tonight
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[11:35] <mamapg> 18 minutes after the first attack
[11:35] <Hoover> codeblue
[11:35] <Cha-ching> Alot of terrorist support and money comes from foreigners living here in the U.S. and sent overseas
[11:35] <Hoover> that is an important queston
[11:36] <stockpimp> Austin plane ??
[11:36] <Tra`verse> clinton wanted to help raython by using missles up; bush wouldn`t be that slimy; if it is afganistan he will invade and take the country over
[11:36] <codeblue> SEC says markets closed today
[11:36] <Ariconda> codeblue 18 mins after 1st one
[11:36] <gtt> i’m wondering if they had infiltrated airline employees, seems odd how everyone got thru security
[11:36] <pttrdr> CIA has to have some idea of where bin laden is
[11:36] <Stox> GERMANY SUSPENDS TRADING OF U.S. LISTED STOCKS – CNBC
[11:36] <cotton> the greater dangers really are biological and to a lesser extent chemical attacks
[11:36] <Mel1> according to Newsworld Intenational yes
[11:36] <codeblue> ok – thx
[11:36] <bucko> DJN: DJ Islamist Doubts Bin Laden Behind US Terrorist Attacks
[11:36] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 11:36:07)
[11:36] <Guest64562> today we get a whiff of armegeddon
[11:36] <craigk2> you give CIA too much credit
[11:36] <lapilot> secret service will not confirm Bush’s location, re:fox
[11:37] <Scottie> how close is NYSE to twin towers
[11:37] <lit-lady>  http://www.smh.com.au/news/0107/20/world/world6.html
[11:37] <jimpea> citibank frankfurt sent workers home
[11:37] <hot> it is incredebly HARD to get bin laden. dont forget that US has tried on NUMEROUS occasions. e.g. Clintons strike during the Lewinsky trials and so on. fight against SO  WELL ORGANISED terrorism is such a struggle
[11:37] *** Guest85881 is now known as pmb
[11:37] <ViZieR> i guess the market would be closed for weeks
[11:37] <bucko> no
[11:37] <Gr8-1> doubt it
[11:37] <lx2> open tomorrow
[11:37] <WallStArb> Europe Fr ^FCHI   -7.28%   DE ^GDAXI   -3.22%   UK ^FTSE   -5.45%
[11:37] <Photon> They will find Bin Landen now… have no doubt
[11:37] <EricD> maybe a couple of days. not much more
[11:37] <Commonman> no, they will not destabilize the economy
[11:37] <StephenB> Amtrak shutting down northeast operations..don’t know if that affects anybody here
[11:38] <roger2> NYSE appears to be 3-4 blocks from WTC
[11:38] <Photon> The earth isn’t big enough for Bin Landen to run
[11:38] <codeblue> It seems important that Bush make a statement very soon
[11:38] *** fucktheararabs was kicked by Suzanne (Suzanne)
[11:38] <Tra`verse> they closed LAX and evacuated terminals
[11:38] <Commonman> there will be a national effort to restore business as usual
[11:38] <Guest64562> when the market does open- whoooeeee
[11:38] <hot> photon – jes you must hope. but… killing him will not end the problem as well. provised that you can kill him
[11:38] <PT1> MSNBC just mentioned that there were many passengers on those hijacked planes
[11:38] <pttrdr> barbarians are always at the gates   sometimes they just arent as apparent
[11:38] <Tri-afk> Wallstarb or anyone know any security stocks? not Inet stocks?
[11:38] <Tri-afk> -?
[11:38] <meebbie> estimated causulties… in the 1000’s ….. but still no idea
[11:38] <Photon> They will kill suspected terrorists without question hot
[11:38] <WallStArb> MAGS
[11:39] <ghostship> CLEVELAND, Sept. 11 (UPI) — Cleveland Mayor Michael White said Tuesday a hijacked plane with 200 people aboard and loaded with explosives is on the ground at Cleveland Hopkins Airport. No other details were immediately available
[11:39] <HeadFake> There will be counter revenge act though.
[11:39] <WallStArb> INVN
[11:39] <WallStArb> ASE
[11:39] <crackerGA> United flight still unaccounted for
[11:39] <Cha-ching> what ru looking for tri blood money
[11:39] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Amer announced 156 people on two flights that hit towers
[11:39] <Tra`verse> image processing for face recognition will be hot
[11:39] <PT1> what heinous crimes
[11:39] <Perse> $null
[11:39] <sail> ron insana on nbc
[11:39] <StephenB> looks like Boston’s Logan airport is responsible for at least two of these hijacked planes getting underway, 1 wtc plane and the Pittsburg one
[11:39] <craigk2> gutless slime do things like this
[11:39] <Udaman> htf do they get explosives on a plane
[11:39] <crackerGA> wow Insana is shaken
[11:39] <set911> INVN is a good one
[11:39] <Tri-afk> thx Walls
[11:39] <codeblue> who wouldn’t be?
[11:39] <Yojimbo> Those hijacked planes should have been discovered long before they hit. That many at once all headed for NYC and DC should have been an obvious warning. Intelligence totally screwed this up.
[11:39] <Mas> Todays date September 11….911
[11:39] <JoMi> they load 150,000 lbs of JP5 onto the plane
[11:40] <Cha-ching> today is a day of mourning not trading
[11:40] <GoldenGoose> as the US new of Japan headed for Pearl Harbor
[11:40] <Guest64562> 10,000 people could have died today
[11:40] <dongo> this is not time for criticizm
[11:40] <JayT> 10,000 people at least in each tower when the attack accured (MSNBC)
[11:40] <bucko> BASEL-NY FED’S MCDONOUGH SAYS FED WILL PROVIDE LIQUIDITY AS
[11:40] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:39:56)
[11:40] <bucko> NEEDED
[11:40] <bucko>  REUTERS
[11:40] <StephenB> IF air traffic control had reports of hearing strange communications from cockpits, the FAA command and DoD should have been notified..one would hope
[11:40] <codeblue> I’ll say
[11:40] <Photon> Yep… figured the fed would do that
[11:40] <SharkHunter> 5 million reward for Bin Ladin
[11:41] <hot> photon – yes, but you cannot kill them all. it is always easy to make small efficient strikel for the terrorists. plus as far as the money is pouring in.
[11:41] <craigk2> 164 passengers on the 2 AA flights
[11:41] <Photon> Fed will load us with liquidity
[11:41] <codeblue> what *if* it isn’t Bin Ladin
[11:41] <Scorp^> CLEVELAND, Sept. 11 (UPI) — Cleveland Mayor Michael White said Tuesday a hijacked plane with 200 people aboard and loaded with explosives is on the ground at Cleveland Hopkins Airport. No other details were immediately available
[11:41] <Yojimbo> wow
[11:41] <craigk2> and they let it off the ground
[11:41] <hot> it is dangerous to only emphasise osama bin laden – even though he may be accountable on this occasion – the problem is much larger!
[11:41] <StephenB> worldwide air, building, shutdowns…unprecidented
[11:41] <Gamble> codeblue, doesnt matter if it is Bin Ladin or not, he needs to go for symbolic reasons now
[11:41] <lx2>  11:39am 09/11/01   [UK:1859502] LONDON’S FTSE TECHMARK CLOSES DOWN 4.9% AT 1,274.9
[11:41] <lx2>  11:39am 09/11/01   [UK:1805550] LONDON’S FTSE 100 CLOSES DOWN 5.5% AT 4,759.3
[11:41] <lx2>  11:40am 09/11/01   ARAFAT EXPRESSES CONDOLENCES OVER U.S. ATTACKS-LIVE TV
[11:41] <lx2>  11:38am 09/11/01   [UK:BAY, US:BAB] BA CLOSES DOWN 21.2% AT 210P AFTER U.S. ATTACKS
[11:42] <Yojimbo> All terrorists
[11:42] <SharkHunter> http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
[11:42] <codeblue> no argument here …. but I’d like to see them get the real perps
[11:42] <craigk2> every know terrorist must die
[11:42] <tradingtrader> reports of people attacking cab drivers in NYC. that is wrong.
[11:42] <Segman> 11:40am 09/11/01   DFLP PALESTINIAN GROUP CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY – REUTERS
[11:42] <Photon> Told Arafat was not involved… no way
[11:42] <crackerGA> another United flight is down, not confirmed where
[11:42] <ZOOS150> blaming Osama bin laden
[11:42] <corruptor> cleveland now?
[11:42] <ReM0> how many are dead atm? inf?
[11:42] <codeblue> this can’t help the Palestinian cause
[11:42] <bucko> AFGHANISTAN’S TALIBAN AMBASSADOR TO PAKISTAN CONDEMNS ATTACKS ON
[11:42] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:42:31)
[11:42] <bucko> U.S. – AIP
[11:42] <bucko>  REUTERS
[11:42] <lagos> hello
[11:42] <Cha-ching> Arafat probably knew
[11:42] <Jena> Arafat always “expresses condolences”.
[11:42] <craigk2> getting back at Clinton for pee shooting the baby food factory?
[11:43] <Yojimbo> Anyone who claims to be a terrorist should be hunted down.
[11:43] <Photon> I doubt it… Arafat would never condone this… it’s self defeating
[11:43] <mauimark> CraigC  thks for dumb comment
[11:43] <PT1> one of the goals of these terrorists attacks is to undermine US financial markets & this should not be allowed to happen
[11:44] <JoMi> dong well enuf on their own
[11:44] <xray7> the president needs to speak, and soon
[11:44] <StephenB> he has to land first
[11:44] <Photon> Don’t worry… Fed will PUMP the money supply like you never saw before
[11:44] <codeblue> they aren’t saying where the pres. is …
[11:44] <ReM0> what is the situation with planes atm ?
[11:44] <StephenB> and they won’t
[11:44] <Cha-ching> don’t be blind Arafat is a happy camper right now
[11:44] <mauimark> good
[11:44] <hot> PALESTINIAN DFLP OFFICIAL DENIES GROUP RESPONSIBLE FOR WORLD
[11:44] <hot> (Reuters 09/11 09:45:25)
[11:44] <hot> TRADE CENTER CRASH
[11:44] <hot>  REUTERS
[11:44] <codeblue> wasn’t he en route back from Fla.?
[11:44] <scorpio> the president already spoke
[11:44] <craigk2> he was at a school
[11:44] <StephenB> yes, but they won’t update until they are comfortable with security
[11:45] <craigk2> he is in air somewhere now
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[11:45] <trademe> Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
[11:45] <trademe> Description
[11:45] <trademe> Marxist-Leninist organization founded in 1969 when it split from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). Believes Palestinian national goals can be achieved only through revolution of the masses. In early 1980s, occupied political stance midway between Arafat and the rejectionists. Spilt into two factions in 1991; Nayif Hawatmah leads the majority and more hardline faction, which continues to dominate the group. Join
[11:45] <highbid> just returned from Red Cross, they say PLEASE give blood it will get to the needed places. that is something even us out in the rural areas can do..please do it!
[11:45] <craigk2> can stay in air for days
[11:45] <Mel1> FEMA will come into play here
[11:45] <Photon> President can speak  anywhere
[11:45] <hot> bush is in the air on air force one  – that is US doctrine – the safest place
[11:45] <craigk2> and he can speak from the plane
[11:45] <StephenB> nodoubt with a mighty figher escort, Awacs, the full Air Force One security plan probably is in effect
[11:45] <jane86z> arafat not happy – his entire group is now a potential target – and most of world would not mind – if they did this
[11:45] <codeblue> who’s going to take credit for this? It’s like putting a target on their head.
[11:45] <Photon> yes he can speak from the air
[11:46] <Commonman> he can but he won’t
[11:46] <Commonman> why should he? this isn’t Oprah
[11:46] <loug> DFLP group did
[11:46] <Photon> That plane has full AWAC capabities
[11:46] <bucko> ANALYSIS-Taliban stand firm on protecting Osama bin Laden
[11:46] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:46:30)
[11:46] <bucko>     By Jack Redden
[11:46] <bucko>     ISLAMABAD, Sept 11 (Reuters) – Terrorism suspect Osama bin
[11:46] <bucko> Laden remains safe in his Afghan sanctuary, with the ruling
[11:46] <bucko> Taliban movement showing no sign of bowing to mounting
[11:46] <bucko> international pressure to turn over the Saudi militant for
[11:46] <bucko> trial.
[11:46] <StephenB> to speak from the plane would be very disturbing to the populace imo
[11:46] <Commonman> He’ll speak when the immediacy of the crisis is subsided, not to satisfy curiousity
[11:46] <jane86z> every  thing is buggable or traceable – Bush should be quiet
[11:46] <kass> Several Palestinian gunmen shot in the air, while other marchers carried Palestinian flags. Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long black dress, threw sweets in the air, saying she was happy because “America is the head of the snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us.”
[11:46] <Photon> most sofisticated jet in  the world
[11:46] <kass> aaargh!!!
[11:47] <hot> the arabs cannot be behind it – they would never, erer be recognised as civilised. this would only hurt their people very bad. I don’t believe its them
[11:47] <highbid> my wife just called, downtown buildings in Houston being evacuated
[11:47] <Photon> extremists… not arabs as a whole
[11:47] <WallStArb> NOT the arabs?? Who else would it be…the Canadians?
[11:47] <Tra`verse> nuke canada
[11:47] <Jena> yeah, the Canadians.
[11:48] <jfk> exactly wally
[11:48] <PimpDiddy> it would be hard to highjack in TEXAS everyone packs heat there
[11:48] <xp5> I live in WV lots of activity around the Greenbrier..
[11:48] <hot> sorry I meant palestinians
[11:48] <craigk2> there could be bombs in other places
[11:48] <jane86z> this is such a coordinated attack that it involves a power base (govt., etc.)
[11:48] <Guest64562> they may be arab, but they are not “the arabs”
[11:48] <xp5> Underground bunker for congress
[11:48] <hot> that palestinians aren’t behind
[11:48] <sunnyyyy> Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long black dress, threw sweets in the air, saying she was happy because “America is the head of the snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us
[11:48] <DChristie> where are the other World trade centers located?
[11:48] <hot> I suspect Osama
[11:48] <Jane> kick Traverse and Jena
[11:48] <Jena> 76% of the ppl polled in the Palestinian areas have said they favor suicide bombings.
[11:48] <bobby44> bin laden is his own power base
[11:48] <Cha-ching> hot get your head out of the sand
[11:48] <bucko> US FEDERAL RESERVE SAYS IS OPEN AND OPERATING
[11:48] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:48:36)
[11:48] <bucko>  REUTERS
[11:48] <PimpDiddy> in texas they shoot first and ask questions later of suspicios persons
[11:48] <Spud> Fed Bldg evacuated in Lubbock, Texas
[11:48] <Gr8-1> Pittsburgh  many buildins being evacuated
[11:48] <ZOOS150> celebrating in the West Bank
[11:48] <jane86z> Japanese Americans were hounded during WW2 – i hope we have learned something since then
[11:49] <diesl> way too organized also some one mentioned its tha anniversary of camp david accords
[11:49] <bucko> US FEDERAL RESERVE SAYS DISCOUNT WINDOW IS OPEN TO MEET
[11:49] <WallStArb> That is disgusting celebrating
[11:49] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:49:12)
[11:49] <bucko> LIQUIDITY NEEDS
[11:49] <bucko>  REUTERS
[11:49] <gauss> This is like Clancey’s book Debt of Honor destroy the financial markets and a suicide attack on  congess
[11:49] <WallStArb> Today is the anniversary of the Camp David Peace Accord
[11:49] <`rambler> i wonder jane
[11:49] <WallStArb> September 17th
[11:49] <hot> I am not a Palestinian cha-ching lol
[11:49] <Grag> yep
[11:49] <meebbie> fear that hits will be going on during rush hour in cities further west…. beginnig to circulate.. that is why everyone is evacuating
[11:49] <hot> not even an arab
[11:49] <Cha-ching> many arabs support terrorism plain and simple and they send alot of money back to their homelands to support it
[11:49] <Suzanne> all fed and city buildings are closed in austin, also the gov mansion, and they are starting to close schools, ft hood im hearing is on full alert as is edwards afb
[11:49] <hot> never even been in the region
[11:49] <Schooner> Reference the ‘declare war’ talk; Terrorist are from ‘areas’ of their homelands and beliefs-not specific countries and their official boundaries and I don’t think the US can declare war on any designated country as the official governments don’t officially represent the terrorist groups that are located within them
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[11:50] <Schooner> just a thought fwiw
[11:50] <bobby44> i agree with schooner
[11:50] <xstanx> http://cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html
[11:50] <lx2> Specualtion about arabic oilmoney behind attacks
[11:50] <jane86z> watch ABC tonight – Nightline 11PM EDT – to see how ‘civilized’ human beings are
[11:50] <sail> all planes accounted for, per nbc
[11:50] <jane86z> i gues that ABC show will be preempted
[11:50] <bobby44> it would be like england declaring war on us because IRA raises money here
[11:50] <Wintrade> Seems like hijakcing of planes would be easier to secure against. Make the cockpit a vault.
[11:50] <Photon> thank God
[11:50] <WallStArb> Because of Arab oil pressure, practically the entire world condemned Israel after the Yom Kippur War. The United States put tremendous pressure on Israel to come to a settlement with Egypt over the Sinai, with Jordan over the West Bank, and with Syria over the Golan. Israel refused to talk with any representatives of the PLO. Jordan and Syria refused to talk until Israel returned the Golan Heights and the West Bank.
[11:50] <WallStArb> Henry Kissinger spent much of 1974 traveling between Israel and Egypt, speaking with each side separately because Egypt refused to be in the same room with Israel’s representatives. This procedure, called “shuttle diplomacy,” succeeded in establishing cease-fire lines in the Sinai.
[11:50] <WallStArb> Israel agreed to withdraw east of the important mountain passes of Mitla and Gidi provided that detection equipment could be placed to note any Egyptian troop movement which would indicate a breaking of the cease-fire agreement. However, it was clear to everyone that both sides were deeply entrenched in their policy positions, and there was little room for further compromise or negotiation.
[11:50] <WallStArb> When the right-wing Likud party won the elections in Israel in 1977, the United States feared that even these peace negotiations would grind to a halt. To the world’s shock, on September 10, 1977, Anwar Sadat, president of Egypt, announced his willingness to visit Israel. It was the first time an Arab leader had shown readiness to recognize Israel.
[11:51] <Kitt> WallStArb, Thank you, have been racking brain for date relevancy.
[11:51] <stockpimp> yeah but those “official Govts.” allow those to hide in their countries !
[11:51] <WallStArb> Menachem Begin immediately invited him, and Sadat arrived on November 19. In addressing the Knesset, Sadat acknowledged Israel was “an existing fact,” thus giving formal recognition to Israel. As a result of the negotiations between Sadat and Begin, Israel agreed to evacuate the Sinai on condition that Egyptian troops would not cross the Mitla and Gidi Passes. Face-to-face negotiations had begun.
[11:51] <WallStArb> With the support, encouragement, and nudging of President Carter, the two sides slowly worked out the wording of a complex agreement which included Israel’s evacuation of the Sinai and a framework for conducting negotiations for establishing autonomy for Gaza and “Judea/Samaria” (the West Bank). This agreement, signed in September 1978, was called the Camp David Accord.
[11:52] <hot> to clarify my point – I believe they might have been arabs (very possibli coordinated by Osama bin Laden) but I doubt that it could have been organised by Palestinians becouse they would gain nothing and loose too much. and I am not an arab or palestinian or anything close to them.
[11:52] <bucko> Local Pittsburgh radio and television are citing eyewitnesses as saying that
[11:52] <bucko> the United Airlines 747, which originated from Newark and crashed 80 miles
[11:52] <bucko> outside of Pittsburgh, was shot down by U.S. fighters before it could reach
[11:52] <bucko> Washington, D.C.
[11:52] <Cha-ching> Gerald Ford my pick for next president
[11:52] <Cha-ching> he just said we should strike aggressively
[11:52] <jlapalma> would u stop WallStArb, this is day for sorrow and mourn, no freaking middleEast Politics !!
[11:52] <Wizski> Dust off the silo’s, and start the Liquid Oxygen fills.
[11:52] <sail> 4 hijackings & crashes, all other planes accounted for — looks like it’s over for now
[11:52] <Wintrade> I was thinking that one could have been a defensive friendly fire bucko.
[11:52] <jane86z> Anwar Sadat one of the highlights of human civilization – they kill the good ones
[11:53] <Tango> could someone hit the world markets keystroke please?
[11:53] <jimpea> 747 was shut down?
[11:53] <Wizski> !world
[11:53] <StephenB> huh Iimpea?
[11:53] <StephenB> huh Jimpea?
[11:53] <incog> these hijackers had to be pilots, no US pilot would fly the plane into New York IMO
[11:53] <trademe> Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
[11:53] <trademe> Description
[11:53] <trademe> Marxist-Leninist organization founded in 1969 when it split from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). Believes Palestinian national goals can be achieved only through revolution of the masses. In early 1980s, occupied political stance midway between Arafat and the rejectionists. Spilt into two factions in 1991; Nayif Hawatmah leads the majority and more hardline faction, which continues to dominate the group. Join
[11:53] <AV_OUT> bucko – nothing on national networks
[11:53] <trademe> Local Pittsburgh radio and television are citing eyewitnesses as saying that
[11:53] <trademe> the United Airlines 747, which originated from Newark and crashed 80 miles
[11:53] <trademe> outside of Pittsburgh, was shot down by U.S. fighters before it could reach
[11:53] <trademe> Washington, D.C. An airliner which took off from the Dallas-Fort Worth
[11:53] <trademe> airport en route to Los Angeles is reportedly unaccounted for, Dallas radio
[11:53] <trademe> reported. Nearly 4,00 aircraft – military and general aviation – are in the
[11:53] <trademe> sky right now. Fox News is also reporting that the second plane which hit
[11:53] <trademe> the World Trade Center originated from Washington’s Dulles airport. 1545
[11:53] <trademe> GMT, 091101
[11:53] <trademe> Sources report about 70 confirmed dead at the Pentagon following an
[11:53] <trademe> explosion caused by a crashed airplane this morning. Another airplane that
[11:53] <trademe> may have been hijacked and heading to Washington, D.C. was reportedly downed
[11:53] <trademe> near Camp David. Palestinians denied responsibility for an attack on the
[11:53] <trademe> World Trade Center, AP reported, after the Democratic Front for the
[11:53] <trademe> Liberation of Palestine said it was responsible. The plane which crashed
[11:53] <trademe> near Pittsburgh was identified as a 747, and is believed to have originated
[11:53] <trademe> from either Cleveland or Pittsburgh. 1522 GMT, 091101
[11:53] <rac1> if we go and bomb someone, i doubt whether that will settle to matter. it will only draw us into arab-israeli conflict
[11:54] <isldgirl> they are closing Disney World theme parks
[11:54] <rac1> escalation
[11:54] <Wizski> so let’s end the conflict.
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[11:54] <Tango> thnks
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U>  saying that
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> [11:54] <trademe> the United Airlines 747, which originated from Newark and crashed 80 miles
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> [11:54] <trademe> outside of Pittsburgh, was shot down by U.S. fighters before it could reach
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> [11:54] <trademe> Washington, D.C. An airliner which took off from the Dallas-Fort Worth
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> [11:54] <trademe> airport en route to Los Angeles is reportedly unaccounted for, Dallas radio
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> [11:54] <trademe> reported. Nearly 4,00 aircraft – military and general aviation – are in the
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> [11:54] <trademe> sky right n
[11:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> sorry
[11:54] <butch35> i dont beleive that it was shot down
[11:54] <LindemanIrc> Tango; Stockholm is down about 7.51% to get it right…
[11:55] <xstanx> react we are in it now
[11:55] <butch35> there was no explosion till it hit the groung
[11:55] <butch35> ground
[11:55] <jane86z>  Bush will have to change his isolationist leanings – as though the world had actual boundaries
[11:55] <StephenB> colleges cancelling all evening classes here…streets gonna be pretty quite tonight
[11:56] <WallStArb> Muhammad Anwar al-Sadat, President of the Arab Republic of Egypt, and Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel, met with Jimmy Carter, President of the United States of America, at Camp David from September 5 to September 17, 1978, and have agreed on the following framework for peace in the Middle East. They invite other parties to the Arab-Israel conflict to adhere to it.
[11:56] <Ex_trim> ..
[11:56] <Matt> Geeze… no politician in office is isolationist…
[11:56] <jane86z> Wally – that was a highpoint
[11:57] <WallStArb> Seems like they are doing this on the anniversary of the peace accord
[11:57] <Udaman> John Bussey lucky to be alive
[11:57] <kane-afk>  just amazing the hospital I just went to was not set up for blood donation
[11:57] <deac> borders closed with mexico and canada per jennings abc tv
[11:57] <rac1> i bet their will be quite a few eulogies on cnbc tomorrow
[11:57] <kane-afk> and that was in NYC
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[11:57] <skifreak> .
[11:57] <EricD> no coincidence one plan hit camp david
[11:57] <man> Wonder , what they are trying to prove by killing innocent people, I fear the consequences
[11:58] <Commonman> true, Camp David is a symbol of where the President relaxes for one thing
[11:58] <liz> they don’t care – they hate america
[11:58] <Commonman> it’s like hitting a personal residence
[11:58] <Yojimbo> After seeing it for real, noone will claim responsibility
[11:58] <bucko> AFGHAN TALIBAN SAY OSAMA BIN LADEN COULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLEFOR
[11:58] <Udaman> in the terrorists eyes there are no innocents
[11:58] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 11:58:00)
[11:58] <bucko> U.S. ATTACKS
[11:58] <bucko>  REUTERS
[11:58] <deac> israel evacuated all embassies worldwide interesting they call all non essential people home couple weeks ago
[11:58] <jane86z> they could have come at lunchtime – would have been much greater loss of life
[11:58] <Aardvark>  time for the next great american experiment – the free police state
[11:58] <corruptor> ok.. how man planes total are down?
[11:58] *** Aardvark was kicked by WallStArb (violation of policy… http://www.financialchat.com/About/code.asp)
[11:58] <corruptor> i’m a bit confused
[11:58] <nickgc> Most of Camp David is underground
[11:59] <sail> 4 planes down
[11:59] <theMAXX> so are they
[11:59] <rac1> airline travel gonna be even more of a pain
[11:59] <CCSINY> 4 down 4 lost
[11:59] <PimpDiddy> 11:57 AFGHAN TALIBAN SAY OSAMA BIN LADEN COULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLEFOR  U.S.
[11:59] <nickgc> Taliban in a major CYA operation now
[11:59] <GoldenGoose> How many floors colapsed from the 1st and 2nd tower?
[11:59] <Commonman> Can you imagine the economic cost of all air travel in the US shutting down for even a day?
[12:00] <CCSINY> all of it
[12:00] <Commonman> it’s mind-boggling…more than the cost of the WTC itself
[12:00] <rmk> all of them GoldenGoose
[12:00] <CCSINY> gone
[12:00] <Commonman> in one day
[12:00] <deac> brit air and lufansa(sp)down -20% in europe
[12:00] <dumper> Why are so many people blamming groups over seas is it not poosible that this came from within the U.S.
[12:00] <EricD> no way dumper
[12:00] <deac> billions of lost revenues worldwide today
[12:00] <Matt> Could be al gore…
[12:00] <GoldenGoose> Commonman: are you suggesting a bottom in the markets
[12:00] <bobby44> REPORT: Plane was headed to Camp David. Anniversary of Camp David Accord Sept 5-17, 1978…
[12:00] <Gamble> lol matt
[12:00] <sail> all planes accounted for so it’s all over unless there are some icbms headed our way too
[12:00] <bobby44> that was from Drudge
[12:00] <Commonman> I didn’t say anything about the markets
[12:00] <PimpDiddy> no way dumper someone would squeal and crack b4 event
[12:00] <rac1> at about 9:05 they were reporting  fire, at 10:30 the buildings were rubble.. totally unreal
[12:00] <Matt> Palestinian group took responsibility already for tower bombing
[12:00] <pre-cha> wasn’t the new york merc in one of those towers?
[12:00] <Yojimbo> Its the muslims…..FAA has a recording of a struggle in the cockpit, Arabic language…
[12:00] <StephenB> lots of economic loss today…people are gonna stay home…people debating staying home from work..nothing compared to loss of life, but it’s big still
[12:01] <Photon> My wife just said that someone told her that The Turner Diaries (aka Tim McVeigh bible) ends with a plane crash into the Pentagon
[12:01] <ResearcherA1> Yojimbo.. source?
[12:01] <locust> cockpit voises were arabic
[12:01] <locust> voices
[12:01] <Commonman> I was headed somewhere this morning at 8:30…at the last minute I veered off and decided to come to my office for the market open instead…and walked into this
[12:01] <Wizski> locust, Source?
[12:01] <sail> quick thinking grounding all US planes
[12:01] <Yojimbo> Don’t know the source, been reported more than once.
[12:01] <PT1> dumper, the Muslims bombed the WTC in 1993, so they are the obvious suspects
[12:02] <locust> was in earlier news releases   i posted it
[12:02] <ThunderFoot> NBC just showed celebrations in the streets in the west bank….sickening
[12:02] <PimpDiddy> they know the infrastructure
[12:02] <Commonman> you have to realize terrorism is the result of weakness not strength
[12:02] <Parlay> those images won’t help anyone.
[12:02] <ResearcherA1> Yojimbo.. Locust.. and anyone else; no use to spread rumours. always quote sources
[12:02] *** kane-afk is now known as kane
[12:02] <cheez> Does merrill lynch have an office in the WTC?
[12:02] <sail> if that pittsbugh plane had made it to dc it woulda been a lot worse
[12:02] <Commonman> the Palestinians have no hope of ever “winning” anything, so terrorism is the weapon of choice
[12:02] <Tim> celebrations?  who – palestinians?
[12:03] <Photon> Yes but that weakness is tough to defend against
[12:03] <deac> don’t know if religious talk is allowed today here but it does explain their suicide missions
[12:03] <Commonman> exactly
[12:03] <ThunderFoot> Yes
[12:03] <cheez> Does merrill lynch have an office in the WTC? /msg me
[12:03] <Commonman> remember when Israel levelled Beirut in the early 80s?
[12:03] <Commonman> do you remember what followed?
[12:03] <kass> anyone knows anything about DefCon2 ?
[12:03] <ZOOS150> death toll in thousands being reported
[12:03] <pendo_munvurto> US Dept. of Defence has announced DefCon 2, which allows use of nuclear weapons – source CNN
[12:03] <Commonman> the US Embassy bombing and the bombing of the marine barracks
[12:03] <Commonman> they go for the vulnerable targets
[12:03] <ALman1> the President shoud request and Congress should declare “A State of War between the US and International Terrorism” – objective #1 should be to eliminate Bin Laden (guilty or not) cause he symbolizes terrorism, anything less is unacceptable, imo
[12:03] *** stockboy is now known as stockboy_
[12:04] <sail> NYC emergency center was in the WTC
[12:04] <dumper> good Points but you never know
[12:04] <Udaman> one of Tom Clancy’s novels, “Debt of Honor” is eerily close to this scenario
[12:04] <Wizski> ^5 ALman1.
[12:04] <ZOOS150> somebody knows where Bin Laden is
[12:04] <nickgc> Does anyone know if Deusche Bank has there offices in WTC? My cousin works for them.
[12:04] <JayT> 767 just went down not location given
[12:04] <jane86z> they do Jay
[12:04] <Matt> udaman… thought that was Executive Orders…  With the japanese flight?
[12:04] <bizee> last plane in air crashed unknown location
[12:04] <bobby44> some deutche bank offices in midtown also
[12:04] <Photon> Where Jayt?
[12:04] <PimpDiddy> 12:04 *DJ United Airlines Confirms Second  United Plane Crashing
[12:04] <Tim> The Pentagon is really burning right now
[12:04] <Matt> No debt of honor was it…
[12:04] <JayT> from Boston to LA
[12:05] <stockup> It was “Debt of Honor” by Tom Clancy
[12:05] <skifreak> bin laden has been wanted for years for all the us embsey bombing
[12:05] <finch> DJN: *DJ United Airlines Confirms Second United Plane
[12:05] <deac> cnbc- several flights unaccounted for
[12:05] <Udaman> I just pulled it off the shelf to be sure
[12:05] <Matt> exec order was the rebuilding of govt following debt of honor
[12:05] <lx2>  12:00pm 09/11/01   2-YEAR TREASURY YIELD NOW AT 3.51%; 10-YEAR 4.73%
[12:05] <lx2>  11:58am 09/11/01   2-YR US TREASURY CUTS GAINS; INVESTORS TAKE PROFITS
[12:05] <lx2>  11:58am 09/11/01   SEC OF STATE POWELL CUTS SHORT TRIP TO SOUTH AMERICA
[12:05] <Yojimbo> If you’re in one of those planes right now, you might as well take your chances fighting the hijackers.
[12:05] <WallStArb> http://live7.truelook.com/face/newface.jsp?func=live&useapplet=true&name=/strends/esb/SouthView&pan=13.386734&tilt=0.0&panfov=5.8375&tiltfov=4.55&width=640&height=480&quality=65&overlay=default&skin=default&imagemap.x=-469&imagemap.y=-352&imagemap.w=1579&imagemap.h=1184
[12:05] <Moron> 11:49am 09/11/01   TALEBAN AMBASSADOR TO PAK CONDEMNS ATTACKS ON U.S.
[12:06] <WallStArb> Thats LIVE pictures of WTC
[12:06] <Tim> Are there any estimates of the number of Americans killed?
[12:06] <ResearcherA1> abt 50 planes told to land in Nova Scota (DJNEWS)
[12:06] <meebbie> people on the planes don’t know everything that has happened
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[12:06] <bizee> looks like wtc area, additional fires?  black smoke
[12:06] <skifreak> bin laden had 2 million on his head ,i bet its up higher then htat now
[12:06] <whits> soory
[12:06] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Five Floors Of Pentagon Have Collapsed – Sky News
[12:06] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 12:06:50)
[12:06] <xstanx> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/defcon.htm
[12:06] <bubbles> that soke looks like something else happened
[12:06] <sail> DJ 12:06 *DJ Five Floors Of Pentagon Have Collapsed – Sky News
[12:06] <JayT> even Las Vegas shut down now
[12:06] <bubbles> smoke
[12:06] <Est_guy> before it could reach.. what..?
[12:06] <StephenB> cbs saying commercial flights might not even resume tomorrow
[12:07] <xstanx> someone asked about defcon
[12:07] <ResearcherA1> Canadian media outlets reported Tuesday that about 50 domestic and international flights have been redirected to the international airport in Halifax, N.S.    The planes will be sweept and checked by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police once on the ground in Halifax and all passengers will remain onboard the aircraft until further notice, the media reports said.  dow jones from ottawa
[12:07] <xstanx> that link should answer
[12:07] <bubbles> have they said what defcon we are at?
[12:07] <WallStArb> http://www.nymex.com/
[12:07] <pendo_munvurto> 2
[12:07] <xstanx> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/defcon.htm
[12:07] <bubbles> thx
[12:07] <PT1> if Muslims committed the crime, the Koran(Muslim bible) is part of the problem, as it
4permits killing for a just cause
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[12:07] <PimpDiddy> 12:07 Afghan Taliban say bin Laden not behind U.S. attacks >
[12:08] <Sandman> now delta alert per Fox
[12:08] <jagprincess> this is jobynimble, using jagprincess’s computer – I just got back from Jersey City and you wouldn’t believe it unless you see it live, which I have this morning
[12:08] <Hoover> what did you see joe
[12:08] <bubbles> 2 for wordwife forces or just us based?
[12:08] <bubbles> worldwide
[12:08] <jagprincess> it’s unreal – people standing everywhere in horror
[12:08] <jane86z> daughter just called from NJ – works in WTC – watched the scene from the cliffs
[12:08] <Photon> How many planes were involved all together ?
[12:08] <jagprincess> It makes you feel so helpless
[12:08] <a> you are saying that defcon 2 is already?
[12:08] <PT1> this is the specific verse from the Koran: 17.33: And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause, and whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority, so let him not exceed the just limits in slaying; surely he is aided.
[12:09] <BMW_MPower> I think 7 planes
[12:09] <`rambler> yes pt-just can have a clouded definition
[12:09] <roger2> assuming these attacks were made by indivuals and not governments, does anyone expect the markets to suffer for long…or will they benefit in the longer term?
[12:09] <JayT> Kane lives right near there
[12:09] <sail> MW 12:08 NATIONAL GUARD TO RELIEVE NYC THIS AFTERNOON
[12:09] <liz> thank god jane, your daughter is ok
[12:09] <Tim> Fox reporting the military is at ‘threatcon delta’ – the highest alert without being in a state of war – never heard of that before…
[12:09] <ResearcherA1> BBC reported that Palestinians in the autonomous areas reacted with joy to
[12:09] <ResearcherA1> the news of the WTC bombing.  Arabs in eastern Jerusalem distributed
[12:09] <ResearcherA1> candies to children in the streets in celebration of the news.
[12:09] <jane86z> PT1 – Koran does note condone murder – killing under some conditions allowed in all religions – so watch your words
[12:09] <Glynn> son called from Tokyo…many of his friends work in WTC top floors
[12:09] <Wizski> another day roger2, not today.
[12:10] <TheTulp> great Glynn
[12:10] <stockpimp> All countries harbouring these criminals should be held accountable !!
[12:10] <hy2> yodont you call killing 10,000 innocent people MURDER??
[12:10] <Hood> Let’s not blame any groups of people here..till we know for sure
[12:10] <CapnJon>  Threatcon Delta is a response to a terrorist incident
[12:10] <Hoover> My cousin’s wife is Palestinian, she says no matter what she is always palestinian at heart
[12:10] <jagprincess> who the hell is thinking or cares about the market in times like this? that’s just sick!!
[12:10] <hy2> whoever did it are murderers
[12:10] <ResearcherA1> imagine. how cheapened life has become that they teach children to celebrate the loss of it
[12:10] <meangene> agree
[12:10] <PimpDiddy> tell her to go bacj then
[12:10] <WallStArb> What excgane is in the World Trace center?? The NYMEX or COMEX?
[12:10] <PimpDiddy> back
[12:11] <PimpDiddy> hoover
[12:11] <locust> western mindset is not oriented towards suicide – middle eastern/muslim is
[12:11] <rmk> I really suspect that the death toll will be well above 10,000 with the 2 towers collapsing
[12:11] <jagprincess> NYFE, wally
[12:11] <sail> DJ 12:10 =DJ US Attacks\Market Turmoil -3: Insurance Stocks Hammered
[12:11] <Tim> I agree rmk
[12:11] <pre-cha> i think its the nymex wally
[12:11] <nickgc> agreed rmk
[12:11] <AV_OUT> sorry to hear the Glynn – likely many of us will know someone who lost someone – at the very least
[12:11] <Yogibear101> 12:09pm 09/11/01   VAN NEAR WTC MAY HAVE HAD BOMB — MSNBC
[12:11] <sail> insurance co’s have acts of war clauses
[12:11] <Threshr> link doesn’t work wall
[12:11] <doggo> also Instinet
[12:11] <pre-cha> dollar futures quit trading @ 8:45
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[12:12] <tiggerr> just went out in LI, gas station & supermarket getting busy
[12:12] <fisher01> new york mercantile exchange was in the tower
[12:12] <meebbie> just now seeing pictures on Dutch TV (sky news) where people were hanging out of windows before the WTC collapsed…. it is very sad
[12:12] <Matt> Can we rally companies… to put a percentage of future profits to a bounty?
[12:12] <Jane> WTC business directory link –> http://www.onisland.com/wtc/bizdir/index.html
[12:12] <rac1> cnbc comparing to pearl harbor
[12:12] <Graco> Markets around the world in spiral down fall
[12:12] <ResearcherA1> report on Abu Dhabi television claiming that it
[12:12] <ResearcherA1> had taken responsibility for the cataclysmic terrorist attack on the World
[12:12] <ResearcherA1> Trade Center.
[12:12] <Yogibear101> 12:07pm 09/11/01   N.Y. NATIONAL GUARD ACTIVATED – GOVERNOR
[12:12] <ViZieR> on my quote, QQQ was last trade down 2.38, true?
[12:12] <jagprincess> I feel terrible for those still stuck in Manhattan and continue praying for them
[12:13] <PimpDiddy> who in abu dhabi
[12:13] <Graco> September 11, 2001. A day which will live in INFAMY.
[12:13] <tck> ditto jag
[12:13] <davidb2b> wow, just got in, how sad, such a loss of life…and the injured
[12:13] <tck> my cousin works down there
[12:13] <tck> for Chase
[12:13] <stockboy_> afraid so Graco
[12:13] <Jane> another plane crashed in colorado according to Canadian National news Network
[12:14] <edvard> how many planes got hijacked?
[12:14] <Aardvark> aircraft carrier to be stationed off of nyc
[12:14] <Aardvark> and dc
[12:14] <sail> navy dispatching 2 aircraft carriers 1 to nyc, 1 to dc
[12:14] <davidb2b> 4 at least
[12:14] <rac1> this is much worse than pearl harbor imo
[12:14] <meebbie> fear that hits will be going on during rush hour in cities further west…. beginnig to circulate.. that is why everyone is evacuating
[12:14] <stockboy_> i`v heard talk about 11
[12:14] <deac> that’s nice of taliban that holds 24 missionaries on death row right now
[12:14] <Udaman> wonder why the carriers??  plenty of ground based aircraft
[12:14] <Treller> Does a cell phone work in a plane. Maybe someone was able to call witth the identity or other info about the perps.
[12:14] <Yogibear101> 12:13pm 09/11/01   LOS ANGELES INT’L AIRPORT EVACUATED – CNN
[12:14] <meebbie> i posted that earlier… i fear (imo) that more planes might still be hijacked
[12:14] <deac> http://enymex.com    works
[12:14] <roger2> the terrorists obvious want the US markets to suffer from all this…and I pray they are not successful…and of course I’m praying for the many who are suffering
[12:15] <HeadFake> All those information in the WTC buildings are gone including security/intelligence information
[12:15] <Dionysus-> what defcon we at?
[12:15] <Dionysus-> 2 ?
[12:15] <WILLatl> they did recieve cell calls from the planes
[12:15] <nickgc> I don’t think the terrorists are thinking about the markets
[12:15] <stockup> Makes you wonder about the terrorists warnings to US citizens living in Japan just a few days ago.
[12:15] <PimpDiddy> they dont have anything in afghanistan NO OIL, DIAMONDS, nothing of value
[12:15] <ZOOS150> DICK CHENEY IN CHARGE OF GOVT
[12:15] <hot> cell call from planes – more info on that?
[12:15] <arxa> I heard that Camp David accord anniversary is today.
[12:15] <stockboy_> hijacked planes will get shot down
[12:15] <Krawuttke> terrorists thinks exactly about the markets
[12:16] <mauimark>   ZOOS150  u dont know wht u r saying
[12:16] <Kinny> a lot of people in here today 620+
[12:16] <tck> Yes that is correct arxa
[12:16] <ZOOS150> just announced on CBS
[12:16] <Krawuttke> they want kill us all
[12:16] <Yogibear101> 12:13pm 09/11/01   [DE:1876534] FRANKFURT’S DAX 30 FALLS 10.7% TO 4,168.7
[12:16] <ZOOS150> anyone see that?
[12:16] <lit-lady> schools still open in US
[12:16] <mamapg> y
[12:16] <stockup> Markets is where they(?) can truly hurt us and our allies
[12:16] <ZOOS150> Cheney in White House
[12:16] <mauimark> the pres is still in chrge
[12:16] <xstanx> you guys see the people laughing in the west bank
[12:16] <ALman1> rac1 – yes I remember Pearl Harbor and this is much worse – as a Japanese Commander said “I’m afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant”
[12:16] <tck> There are unconfirmed reports that they are celebrating in Palestine on the streets
[12:16] <Scorp^> no way ZOOS150 – white house is in the air right now
[12:16] <Graco> Retaliation and complete annihilation of the enemy is now INEVITABLE.
[12:16] <ZOOS150> not what was said on CBS
[12:17] <sunnyyyy> NAVAL BATTLE GROUPS HEADED UP EASTERN SEABOARD NEAR NY
[12:17] <Krawuttke> yes we see them
[12:17] <mauimark> no power transfer  zoo  sheese
[12:17] <WILLatl> usa borders closed
[12:17] <xstanx> some plestinians are laughing and partying in the streets
[12:17] <Krawuttke> its a shame
[12:17] <deac> i’m involved with about 5 missionary organizations to arab world- every day a missionary or arab convert is killed over there
[12:17] <Graco> xstanx, is that true?
[12:17] <xstanx> saw it onm the news
[12:17] <lit-lady> yes it is
[12:17] <Scorp^> yes it is true
[12:17] <xstanx> so mad now
[12:17] <tck> horribler
[12:17] <codeblue> what is true?
[12:17] <meebbie> i have been channel jumping in Europe and I don’t see anything about celebrating Palestinians …on BBC
[12:18] <lit-lady> they started before USA was even HIT
[12:18] <roger2> its true …it was on tv
[12:18] <deac> their koran does say to eliminate all non arabs the way i have seen the analysis
[12:18] <xstanx> channel 10 showed it
[12:18] <tck> Jihad
[12:18] <Graco> Ok. Now we know where their hearts are!!
[12:18] <PimpDiddy> deac why waste your time over there they have no moeny to pay for your preaching
[12:18] <PimpDiddy> jewlery, cars etc.
[12:18] <tck> they woke the wrong sleeping giant
[12:18] <locust> <Tomstocks> A: Estimated 25,000 in WTC towers
[12:18] <locust> <Tomstocks> A: Estimated 25,000 in WTC towers
[12:18] <locust> <Tomstocks> NEW YORK, Sep 11, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) — Hospitals are
[12:18] <locust> <Tomstocks> receiving hundreds of victims from the crash of two planes into the World Trade
[12:18] <locust> <Tomstocks> Center. An estimated 25,000 people were in the buildings at the time, according
[12:18] <locust> <Tomstocks> to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which has offices in one of
[12:18] <fisher01> abc just showed the celebrating
[12:18] <davidb2b> 3 and 10 has been showing it
[12:18] <deac> also their ‘god’ does not have to invite a believer to heaven -but 1 sure way to gain heaven is the suicide mission
[12:18] <wwjs> get over it everyone..we are Satan tot he Arab world – let’s keep our focus and our prayers for our families and our country
[12:18] <TheTulp> dutch tv showed also palestians laughing etc, horrible
[12:19] <PT1> check out this link for insight into the psychology of suicide bombers: http://www.jdl.org/israel/arab_martyr.html
[12:19] <lit-lady> Get your KIDS out of school
[12:19] <Krawuttke> n-tv showed it too in germany
[12:19] <locust> yes wwjs
[12:19] <lit-lady> this is crazy
[12:19] *** Stox is now known as Stox_afk
[12:19] <roger2> I think only a few palestians were involved in the celebrating…not all
[12:19] <Yogibear101> 12:18pm 09/11/01   FAA CONFIRMS FOUR FLIGHTS MISSING: DJ
[12:19] <lx2> 12:18pm 09/11/01   FAA CONFIRMS FOUR FLIGHTS MISSING: DJ
[12:19] <lx2>  12:18pm 09/11/01   KENNEDY SPACE CENTER IS CLOSED — MSNBC
[12:19] <lx2>  12:16pm 09/11/01   NAVAL BATTLE GROUPS HEADED UP EASTERN SEABOARD NEAR NY
[12:19] <bucko> CANADA-U.S. BORDER TO BE CLOSED – CNN
[12:19] <deac> someone posted about bombing their children yest- they put the children in the frontline to get the child to heaven and gain the ugly headline
[12:19] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 12:20:01)
[12:19] <bucko>  REUTERS
[12:20] <meebbie> NATO now asking all personnal to leave headquarters in Brussels…
[12:20] <tck> Remember yesterday as the last normal day for awhile
[12:20] <theMAXX> it’s been closed since early this morning
[12:20] <meebbie> sorry.. personnel…
[12:20] <StephenB> there’s always somebody celebrating, I remember a few people celebrating the attempt on Reagan….don’t mean much
[12:20] <xstanx> roger2 the picture i saw was a big group eating, laughing, slapping hands
[12:20] <ResearcherA1> the fact is , that they celebrated under the encouragement of their leaders , roger2
[12:20] <rac1> not surprising is it?
[12:20] <jane86z> deac – ppl distort the Koran for their use – they do the same with all ‘bibles’
[12:20] <Yogibear101> Symantec monitors electronic pathways (SYMC) By Chris Kraeuter
[12:20] <Yogibear101> Ted Price, spokesperson for software security firm Symantec (SYMC) , said, in light of this morning’s events, his organization has not detected any significant electronic terrorism attacks. “We are obviously keeping a very close eye to see if anything does happen, but we have not seen any sort of specific or increased level of activity,” Price said.
[12:20] <hot> so should there be any more planes up – 4 were missing and 4 are down…?
[12:20] <mikew> celebration does not mean they did it, we have to find who did it and attack like noone has seen before
[12:21] <ResearcherA1> we have to face it that not everyone puts human life in context of western judeo/christian values
[12:21] <Guest91678> Today 09 11  emergency  #  911
[12:21] <StephenB> boy, this could set the stage for a defense buildup, the likes the US hasn’t seen in years
[12:21] <WallStArb> FROM CNBC EMAIL to ME  —> we have received e-mail from viewers that today’s date … 9/11 …as in 911 may play a role .. pure speculation, but weird
[12:21] <PimpDiddy> islam is sick that religion would have never even prospered if american geologists had not discoverd OIL in middle east
[12:21] <DChristie> are there 4 planes still missing?
[12:21] <GoldenGoose> Researcher: every heard of the Crusades?
[12:21] <Yogibear101> 11:46am 09/11/01  NYBOT: Backup xch out till Mon, report By Michael Baron
[12:21] <Yogibear101> Reuters is reporting that New York Board of Trade Chairman Charles Falk has said the backup futures exchange won’t reopen until Monday at the earliest. On the NYBOT’s Web site, a short message says trading has been suspended for all its markets, and advises users to check back for further updates. The moves come in wake of the tragic attacks in New York and Washington D.C.
[12:21] <bh> what good is a missile defense system against something like this ?
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[12:22] <mikew> missile defense is to save entire city or country from nuclear attack
[12:22] <davidb2b> It hurts to lose a loved one, this seems bigger than Pearl Harbor
[12:22] <tck> I would like to say that this room has been extremely helpful,Thank you to all the Ops and  info prorviders
[12:22] <Treller> Gassed up at 1:48/gallon. Wonder if we have to look at commodity interventions to stabilize prices?
[12:22] <ZOOS150> yes very informative
[12:22] <PimpDiddy> thanks from me too
[12:22] <mikew> I think missile defense will have very few objectors now
[12:22] <HeadFake> Pearl Harbor was military this is innocent civilians.
[12:22] <jane86z> much much worse than Pearl Harbor – much greater scope
[12:22] <Photon> Focus on MDS and the Mid East Hands off Policy did not help to prevent this
[12:22] <StephenB> missle defense not much good, but I see new warships, CIA buildup, planes, etc. really getting some $$
[12:22] <WallStArb> I doubt they’ll EVER build on the land that was once the World Trade Center
[12:23] <bh> yea.. and THAT doesnt even work
[12:23] <WallStArb> in 3 years it will be a park
[12:23] <JoMi> kinda valuable to let it just sit
[12:23] <stockpimp> agree Wally
[12:23] <Ltdc> They’ll build a memorial site
[12:23] <StephenB> heck, the Navy is taking position off of NY…for mainland US protection
[12:23] <stockboy_> This is without a doubt the worst attack against The US way of living—EVER!
[12:23] <Yogibear101> Build ’em underground
[12:23] <Photon> We don’t need a memorial to terrorism
[12:23] <roger2> this is bigger than Pearl Harbor, but I don’t think it will cause a world war
[12:23] <Yojimbo> Religious fanatics will use Nucs if they can get them.
[12:23] <ZOOS150> anyone know about the other planes?
[12:23] <detexb> missile defense is pie in the sky. anyone attacking won’t put a homing device in the warheads so we might get lucky & hit one.
[12:23] <rac1> dont need a nuke, just a $200 plane ticket..
[12:23] <liz> not yet
[12:23] <lx2>  Morgan Stanley Dean Witter (MWD: news, chart, profile) takes up about a tenth of the leased space in the two towers, which were struck by two planes early Tuesday and collapsed.
[12:23] <codeblue> stephenb – local restrictions on travel, etc, more likely than big defense spending
[12:24] <patman> wonder who owns the wtc ?
[12:24] <tck> WTC was a collateral damage hit for these attackers,Pentagon was the real target,Wtc was diversionary
[12:24] <codeblue> domestic priorites will prevail
[12:24] <WallStArb> I recently turned down a job offer at Morgan Stanley
[12:24] <Wizski> Pearl Harbor
[12:24] <Wizski> A major United States naval base in Hawaii that was attacked without warning by the Japanese air force on December 7, 1941, with great loss of American lives and ships. In asking Congress to declare war on Japan the next day, President Franklin D. Roosevelt described the day of the attack as “a date which will live in infamy.”
[12:24] <codeblue> I think the WTC was sold recently by the rockefellers
[12:24] <tck> whoever did this will suffer collateral also
[12:24] <nemesis> on the contrary, in order to restore nationalist fervour WTC site it think will become the site of a new super builing
[12:24] <paufol> yes 3.800 mil $
[12:24] <Schooner> Wally don’t leave us
[12:24] <nickgc> I thought Vornado just bought WTC
[12:24] <Photon> Missile Defense only shows how far detacked from reality we are
[12:25] <Photon> detached
[12:25] <rac1> they bombed wtc once, we jailed a bunch of them for it, they finished their dirty work now
[12:25] <tck> and military damage this war
[12:25] <PimpDiddy> the REAL president cheney in white house  now
[12:25] <xstanx> the big question also was any bio viruses used today
[12:25] <ZOOS150> no one believed
[12:25] <bh> exactly Photon
[12:25] <ZOOS150> Cheney in charge of Federal Gov’t
[12:25] <liz> dubya had better call his dad
[12:25] <Scorp^> knock it off
[12:25] <Yojimbo> Everyone said the Wright brothers were nuts too.
[12:25] <Photon> I trust Cheney
[12:25] <Photon> He has a mijnd
[12:26] <pttrdr> yes this is a great time to take cheap shots at the US President
[12:26] <Photon> mind
[12:26] <ix> anyone know qcharts tickers for gold/oil?
[12:26] <AV_OUT> xs – seems unlikely imo
[12:26] <Tim> Canadian border being closed off
[12:26] <lauf> i got 7000 SPY short
[12:26] <xstanx> av lets hope
[12:26] <Wizski> No more cheap shots, this isn’t the time, if you want to stay on channel that is.
[12:26] <codeblue> there’s been talk of installing GPS and such in commercial airliners that would alert authorities quickly if the plane ventures off route – expect stuff like that
[12:26] <trader> we should all back our president in times like this
[12:26] <deac> as for our declaration of independence it said: 1 nation under God so we took prayer and 10 commandments outa school and wonder about the killings and rampant venereal disease dogging our youth
[12:26] <a> where is bush ?
[12:26] <lauf> is anything trading on isld or inca?
[12:26] <zigzag1> stock market will bottom soon
[12:26] <deac> gc01z cl01v ix
[12:26] <Wizski> Airborne.
[12:26] <Light> hopefully people got out of 2nd WTC tower after first incident….
[12:26] <mikew> missile defense is for one type of threat, a thorough body search and device check in airports is for another…the latter is cheap and would have prevented this
[12:26] <Max5> QCharts Gold – type: COMEX:GC01Z
[12:26] <xstanx> agree no cheap shots i support anything bush tries to get back at whoever did this
[12:27] <Needmo> Bush was in Sarasota Fl this AM
[12:27] <Tim> yes, trader.  good point.
[12:27] <AV_OUT> light – hopefully – what was the time lage on the second one?
[12:27] <codeblue> Light, they only had 18 minutes
[12:27] <Max5> Oil type:  NYMEX:CL01Z
[12:27] <ALman1> I doubt any of these terrorist had US citizenship – so I wonder what steps are being taken to locate and detain “recent visitors from questionable countries”
[12:27] <jobynimble> you people are absolutely deranged even being concerned about the market
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[12:27] <hot> cheney has been the one in charge anyway. (sorry George). he should have the experience to handle this situation. but it will ba damn hard.
[12:27] <BMW_MPower> CNBC says White House will not say where Bush is
[12:27] <AV_OUT> dang code
[12:27] <Treller> 18 minutes
[12:27] <xstanx> im a democrat but support bush 1000% to fight back
[12:27] <AV_OUT> not much time
[12:27] <sunnyyyy> prez safe
[12:27] <ix> bush is gonna be in the air for a while
[12:27] <Yogibear101> 12:26pm 09/11/01   NY MAYOR: WE’RE TRYING TO EVACUATE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
[12:27] <detexb> deac, these attacks are performed & sponsored by very religious people
[12:27] <Light> LONDON (Reuters) – Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden (news – web sites) warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said Tuesday.
[12:27] <bucko> cheney powell, etc, thankfully we have experienced people in white house
[12:27] <Yogibear101> 12:26pm 09/11/01   PATAKI: NEW YORK CITY HAS “BEEN UNDER ATTACK” – ABC
[12:27] <GoldenGoose> try 10’s of thousands
[12:27] <Treller> joby – our country is also facing a financial catastrophe
[12:28] <PimpDiddy> agreee detedb
[12:28] <Light> Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi, an Arabic-language weekly news magazine, said Islamic fundamentalists led by bin Laden were “almost certainly” behind the attack of the World Trade Center in New York.
[12:28] <jane86z> when I was in Egypt, every vitamin was checked, a medical devise detected cause the search of all our luggage cause it might have been a bomb
[12:28] <ResearcherA1> is that the London al-Hayat?
[12:28] <Light> “It is most likely the work of Islamic fundamentalists. Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he would attack American interests in an unprecedented attack, a very big one,” Atwan told Reuters.
[12:28] <Light> “Personally, we received information that he planned very, very big attacks against American interests. We received several warnings like this. We did not take it so seriously, preferring to see what would happen before reporting it.”
[12:28] <Photon> Bush should draw on Cheny’s experience… and I believe he will
[12:28] <AV_OUT> MSNBC has track of first plan on animation
[12:29] <jobynimble> well, treller, instead of being here, you should be out stocking up for a long haul; this is going to get alot uglier and cause panic everywhere
[12:29] <oleole> Bush will bomb someon for this before end of this week
[12:29] <bucko> and those making cracks about gw and his father, you should be darn glad he can draw on fathers experience
[12:29] <hot> what are your thoughts about the markets opening tomorrow – they said they might not want to let people into the city tomorrow jet.
[12:29] <roger2> whether bin laden is responsible or not…he must be removed..permanently
[12:29] <Wolfwood> I just found a very interesting quote from Nostradamus that could be related: In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb
[12:29] <Treller> I’m not.
[12:29] <Wolfwood> here is the link http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm
[12:29] <Spud> hot I agree
[12:29] <PT1> re: suicide bombers from jdl.org site: “This is not suicide but martyrdom. It is a duty of Muslims.” Islamic Jihad bombers, Shami explained, are not men who seek suicide. “We do not take depressed people. If there were a one-in-a-thousand chance that a person was suicidal, we would not allow him to martyr himself. In order to be a martyr bomber, you have to want to live
[12:29] <mikew> our complacency about airport security will be the legacy here, everything will change
[12:29] <locust> nostradamus shmostradamus   try the Bible
[12:29] <AV_OUT> yep mik
[12:29] <liz> oh yea, i didn’t mean to sound derogitory against bush – he needs his father’s experience right now
[12:29] <deac> well detexb have you ever done any probability work- like what’s the probability your eyeball evolved?
[12:30] <ferrari> any reports of unsuccessful hijackings this morning–anyone actually arrested checking in to airplanes etc
[12:30] <Matt> Liz… would you rather have clinton?
[12:30] <AV_OUT> the gov’t knew something was up i think a few days ago
[12:30] <Matt> or Gore?
[12:30] <deac> israel has one 10th of 1% of all muslim land i heard
[12:30] <davidb2b> Good suggestion- make the door to the pilots cabin bombproof or at least bullit proff…better the passengers die than take control of the plane and then  thousands die
[12:30] <x123> For anyone that needs it:
[12:30] <x123>    NEW YORK–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Sept. 11, 2001–Morgan Stanley has
[12:30] <sail> good question — haven’t heard of any
[12:30] <x123> established an emergency contact phone number for employees and their
[12:30] <x123> families.
[12:30] <x123>     The number is 1-888-883-4391.
[12:30] <Scorp^> NO POLITICS PLEASE
[12:30] <detexb> just the facts
[12:30] <liz> did you read my last post
[12:30] <StephenB> wonder where the flight that crashed in PA was targetted at?
[12:30] <codeblue> ferrari – there was a report of hijacked plane on the ground in Cleveland, but no details disclosed
[12:31] <Graco> I agree, shots at Bush, doesn’t help right now. But the first bomb we were hit by was the Clinton-Lewisnky scam, and it was donw by traitors from the inside.
[12:31] <sunnyyyy> I read the pentagfon
[12:31] <sail> stpehenb, i heard dc or camp david
[12:31] <Wizski> Airplanes in the future will separate entrances for the Pilots and passengers, will have no connection whatsoever.
[12:31] <StephenB> thanks
[12:31] <deac> even if isreal has 1% of muslim land doncha think they coyuld leave em alone for that much land?
[12:31] <sunnyyyy> that is the way it should be
[12:31] <Ex_trim> any information on whether US markets will open tomorrow? tia
[12:31] <locust> any major wallstreet firms wiped out by WTC disaster ?
[12:31] <sunnyyyy> pilots isolated
[12:31] <StephenB> yup Wiski
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[12:31] <StephenB> Wizski too
[12:31] <tck> Guys During World War one they closed the Markets for 4months aug to dec
[12:31] <Matt> ex_<Yogibear101> Reuters is reporting that New York Board of Trade Chairman Charles Falk has said the backup
[12:31] <Matt> futures exchange won’t reopen until Monday at the earliest. On the NYBOT’s Web site, a short message says trading
[12:31] <Light> MIAMI, Sept 11 (Reuters) – Walt Disney Co. (NYSE:DIS – news) on Tuesday closed its theme parks and most other facilities in the Orlando area of Florida because of the attacks on U.S. targets in New York and Washington.
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[12:31] <Matt> has been suspended for all its markets, and advises users to check back for further updates. The moves come in
[12:31] <Matt> wake of the tragic attacks in New York and Washington D.C.
[12:31] <sail> wonder how they knew to shoot that plane down?
[12:32] <mikew> I doubt we trade this week
[12:32] <sail> 50 planes still in air
[12:32] <hyhy> unbelivable on trhat 911 call from the plane
[12:32] <Photon> They didn’t ask questions Sail
[12:32] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Locust MSDW HQ was WTC  Thet occupied 12%
[12:32] <DChristie> 50?
[12:32] <Photon> The rules have changed
[12:32] <PT1> A recent poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion found that seventy-six per cent of Palestinian respondents approved of suicide bombings that targeted Israelis. And Palestinian religious leaders have for some time been praising the virtues of suicide in the service of their cause.
[12:32] <hyhy> i heard 3 planes
[12:32] <davidb2b> Was one of the planes shot down??
[12:32] <Perse> $null
[12:32] <StephenB> has that shoot down been confirmed?
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[12:32] <hyhy> yes
[12:32] <Graco> hyhy, which one and what wa said?
[12:32] <hot> wizky – it will still be possible. but at least they must try harder.
[12:32] <hyhy> 175
[12:32] <sunnyyyy> I imagien at the first crash there were alert to the adnormaility
[12:32] <mlb> cantor fitzgerald in WTC also
[12:32] <Kinny> ron Insana dusty
[12:32] <AV_OUT> apparently david – but not on national networks yet
[12:32] <hyhy> dont know where it went down
[12:32] <davidb2b> wow
[12:32] <ResearcherA1> Now, some people may now feel what Israel has been saying all the time when its wrists were slapped: How would it feel if they bombed the capital of America..  they reacted modereately, too moderately, imho
[12:33] <Light> Palestinian President Yasser Arafat (news – web sites) condemned the attacks which leveled the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and struck the Pentagon (news – web sites) in Washington.
[12:33] <Matt> s. of pittsburg
[12:33] <Graco> What did 911 call from plane say?
[12:33] <hot> Tom Clancy revisited!
[12:33] <hyhy> markets closed till monday im hearing
[12:33] <sail> 50 planes in air are just routine flights that haven’t landed yet
[12:33] <PimpDiddy> which call hyhy
[12:33] <Gr8-1> Said that they were hijacked
[12:33] <Light> notice the date today is “9 11” ?
[12:33] <Graco> Arafat can not be trusted.
[12:33] <hot> hyhy – wheres your info from?
[12:33] <hyhy> a friend on wall st
[12:33] <Gr8-1> PA plane was shot down
[12:34] <jane86z> Palestine is nont just those living there.  The entire region keeps the tension going for their own purposes..
[12:34] <songw> you can attack us–bomb us-kill our friends and family, tear at our great city,    but you will never defeat us or break us or even deter us one iota. Rather you only pour fuel on our commitment to each other and our country. We are wounded and so we will bleed a while -but we will rise again.
[12:34] <oleole> even Arafat will not do this…this is underground…those people have to much oil and few of them are crazy
[12:34] <Yogibear101> Crude:  http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYMEX_CLV1
[12:34] <BiggestDog> i here you songw
[12:34] <hyhy> there were 10 and 10s of brok. offices in the towers there is no way they will open soon
[12:34] <BiggestDog> now, where is our president?
[12:34] <StephenB> listening to Arafat right now reminds me of listening to the bad guys on the view screen debating with Jean Luc Piccard…you don’t know what to think…I don’t
[12:34] <locust> palestinians have been kicked around plenty by the other arab nations as well
[12:34] <Graco> America will show why we are who we are…
[12:34] <rac1> problem is songw, the other side is thinking the same thing
[12:34] <Yogibear101> > *DJ OPEC Committed To Meeting World Oil Demand – Secy Genl
[12:34] <Suzanne> in the air BiggestDog, af 1 and with jet fighter escort
[12:35] <jane86z> yes locust – they are USED
[12:35] <stckmomma> remember OKC, folks were blaming foriegners at first
[12:35] <Yogibear101> and tankers
[12:35] <Gr8-1> 911 call cut short when plane was shot down
[12:35] <Matt> Arabs kicked Palestine around until Israel took the land… then the arabs found that they could kick the israelis and turn the tables…
[12:35] <hyhy> the only marketup is eygpt
[12:35] <bubbles> did anyone say what type of aircraft hit the pentagon?
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[12:35] <bucko> BUSH TO MAKE STATEMENT AT BARKSDALE AFB, LOUISIANA
[12:35] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 12:35:45)
[12:35] <bucko> SHORTLY–WHITE HOUSE
[12:35] <bucko>  MORE
[12:35] <Matt> passetnger USAIR 767
[12:36] <bubbles> matt – the pentagon plane?
[12:36] <sail> DJ 12:36 DJ Nasdaq Stk Mkt: US Trade Won’t Start, Europe Closes Early
[12:36] <codeblue> Louisiana makes sense
[12:36] <WallStArb> Morgan Stenley no longer exists
[12:36] <Matt> Yes bubbles
[12:36] <Yogibear101> 12:29pm 09/11/01   NY MAYOR: CAN NOT SPECULATE ON NUMBER INJURED, KILLED
[12:36] <hyhy> look at insana he is trembling
[12:36] <Light> Bush not returning to WA DC
[12:36] <sail> arb, you serious?
[12:36] <StephenB> I would be
[12:36] <pre-cha> DAX down 11%
[12:36] <liz> what about MSCO?
[12:36] <jane86z> I doubt that Bush’s location will be given – would be kinda dumb
[12:36] <oleole> there were no US AIR crashes??? only UNITED and AA
[12:36] <WallStArb> Morgan Stanley was in building #6
[12:36] <Matt> Bush will go to a safe, secure area…
[12:36] <WallStArb> WTC
[12:36] <a> where is bush?
[12:36] <mikew> this event will be the defining event for the future of the UN, world police force is now our future
[12:36] <hyhy> this is devasting im shocked beyond belief
[12:36] <Suzanne> 12% of wtc was msdw
[12:36] <StephenB> none reported oleole
[12:37] <Matt> Informed that is was not a 767 that hit pentagon..
[12:37] <c0ka> this is incrediable.. i can’t belive this…
[12:37] <Matt> SO GUYS: WHere is NATO right now???????
[12:37] <JTTrade1> thought morgan on 5th floor
[12:37] <StephenB> smoke over NYC slowly lifting
[12:37] <ferrari> MSCO has huge offices in midtown as well
[12:37] <Graco> It hasn’t sunk in yet…
[12:37] <JTTrade1> wtc
[12:37] <hyhy> unbel……..
[12:37] <codeblue> NATO is evacuating Brussels office
[12:37] <locust> has anyone seen alz on today ?
[12:37] <duke1> This just awakened the sleeping Giant IMO
[12:37] <Photon> NATO impotent in this
[12:37] <mikew> Etrade still exists, still getting my feed here
[12:37] <WallStArb> Morgan Stanley’s Main offices and trading floors were in the World Trade Center
[12:37] <codeblue> the end of American innocence
[12:37] <Suzanne> locust, he is outside the city last he connected here
[12:37] <songw> morgan stanley’s offices are in midtown
[12:37] <StephenB> CNN…Bush not returning to Washington
[12:37] <roger2> ron insania is predicting a major economic problem because of the attacks
[12:38] <songw> 50st on bway
[12:38] <Est_guy> air flights for common citizens will be painful from now on.. all those security measures…
[12:38] <Matt> NATO has been fairly useless since fall of USSR
[12:38] <tck> Is anybody monitoring Palestinian chat rooms?
[12:38] <hot> NATO is good for full scale war. But I’m sure they will give all their intelligence help in this
[12:38] <locust> suzanne – good hear  thx    he’s my buddy
[12:38] <WallStArb> Saloman Brothers are also in WTC
[12:38] <hyhy> twins towers were one of of the biggest landmarks in the world
[12:38] <hyhy> unbel…..
[12:38] <Matt> Yeah… lets all go the the #palestinian to eavesdrop
[12:38] <Suzanne> ours too locust
[12:38] <Tim> President to talk in minutes
[12:38] <Glynn> Wally, Saloman no longer in WTC
[12:38] <jane86z> witness on ABC is in shock – can hardly talk
[12:38] <Matt> Do it surrepticiously thoug
[12:38] <stockwolf> getting ready to leave here, we have the toole army depot, chemical incineration plant sabout 40 miles  and talk of possible strike there coming, scared  very scared
[12:38] <Kinny> Map of WTC Plaza: http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/plazamapmain.html
[12:38] <Glynn> moved to Travelers building
[12:38] <WallStArb> OK I hadnt been to Solly in a while
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> All the pieces are in place now for the Terrorist King to fulfill prophecy.
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> He has a fortified mountain
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle>  lair that can survive a nuclear strike. He has a collection of biological agents and a collection
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> of backpack nukes and dirty nukes. Also he has a well trained and loyal army gathered from all parts of
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> the arab world. Ben knows that when he starts the war many soldiers will rush to join the fray. He is
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle>  waiting for the world situation to deteriorate a bit more then he will strike. The USA is not ready
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> for this type of war against the civilian populations when the US military is involved elsewhere.
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> If any of you readers still believe that
[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:38] <war-eagle> Date: 2001-09-09 09:54:55 PST
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[12:39] <Tri-afk> [12:39] <war-eagle> Subject: Terrorist King Ben Ladden ready for war
[12:39] <hyhy> there is no way this can be rebuilt
[12:39] <sail> wally, any gsco in wtc?
[12:39] <StephenB> (DOW JONES)   DJN: *DJ OPEC Won’t Withhold Oil After US Attacks – Secy Genl
[12:39] <agent99> lehman is in the wtc too
[12:39] <StephenB> nice of them
[12:39] <WallStArb> sail, not sure
[12:39] <WallStArb> but not when I worked there
[12:39] <hyhy> uneployment
[12:39] <sunnyyyy> prez not returning to dc
[12:39] <jobynimble> oh my god – look at ABC in NY
[12:39] <WallStArb> 85 Broad and then Waters street and also Citicorp Plaza
[12:39] <deac> bush due to land in louisiana for news conf.
[12:40] <hyhy>  the markets are finished insurance companies are going to go bankrupt
[12:40] <Photon> Some Arab allies are our allies… don’t forget that
[12:40] *** hyhy was kicked by WallStArb (violation of policy… http://www.financialchat.com/About/code.asp)
[12:40] <jobynimble> downtown NYC looks like Bierut
[12:40] <Analyst2> national guard depots active in Orange County CA, trucks out in street by my house
[12:40] <sail> insurance co’s have acts of war clauses
[12:40] <sunnyyyy> yes
[12:40] <bucko> Plane from Boston is searched in Cleveland
[12:40] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 12:40:16)
[12:40] <bucko>     CLEVELAND, Sept 11 (Reuters) – An airplane that arrived
[12:40] <bucko> from Boston was being searched on the ground in a secure area
[12:40] <bucko> of the Cleveland airport on Tuesday after suspected terrorist
[12:40] <bucko> attacks in New York and Washington, a spokesman for Cleveland
[12:40] <bucko> Mayor Michael White told Reuters.
[12:40] <tck> Where is CHASE  headquaters my Cousin works there and i know its downtown,if anyone can help me thankx cant contact her
[12:40] <JTTrade1> insurers have reinsurers
[12:40] <Matt> Photon… they are only our allies when convenient… for their own self preservation…
[12:40] <mikew> yes no insurance when act of war
[12:41] <mikew> owners of the buildings go bankrupt
[12:41] <WallStArb> Act of war can not be committed by a terrorist group
[12:41] <detexb> no war declared
[12:41] <Analyst2> true
[12:41] <pttrdr> make no mistake :  the USA has been dealt a body blow  but we will remain standing taller and stronger than ever.
[12:41] <Aardvark> did Port Authority still own WTC?
[12:41] <StephenB> amazing that we have to hide our president in some kind of shell game…serious biz.
[12:42] <JTTrade1> Excluded perils include war, rebellion, revolution, civil war, insurrection, invasion, usurped power and enemy attack, as well as nuclear-related loss. But terrorism is rarely defined as any of these perils, and it is highly doubtful that any court would allow an insurer to avoid coverage by naming a terrorist act as something such as war or insurrection.
[12:42] <mikew> this may be declared an act of war we will see
[12:42] <jane86z> why – Saddam Hussein good at hiding and still alive
[12:42] <xray7> Bush to make statement shortly, cnbc
[12:42] <sunnyyyy> FAA says 50 domestic flights still airborne
[12:42] <JTTrade1> good read at http://www.claimsmag.com/Issues/April/terrorism.asp
[12:42] <sail> those are normal flights
[12:42] <StephenB> Jane I know why, it’s just amazing that it has come to this
[12:42] <jane86z> ABC has vivid coverage
[12:42] <WILLatl> bush in shrevport La
[12:42] <deac> some military expect said war preparations definite when they attack our #1 military building in country
[12:43] <bubbles> anyone else read that story recently about JPM and their huge derivatives holdings?  I’ll get the link to the thread on prudentbear.com – basically said if the price of gold goes up, JPM would have troubles that would make LTCM look like schoolkids
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[12:43] <steamboatv12> time will tell
[12:43] <jimpea> CNN pictures pittsburgh
[12:43] <Photon> Fed WILL respond aggreaaively
[12:43] <JoMi> as I recall JPM has derivitives exposer = to about 10x assets
[12:43] <bucko> BUSH SAYS U.S. WILL HUNT DOWN AND PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE
[12:43] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 12:43:49)
[12:43] <bucko>  MORE
[12:44] <bubbles> more like 600 times
[12:44] <Suzanne> hrm
[12:44] <Schooner> I have never -never understood why US hasen’t  taken out Ben Ladden with all the financial resources and contacts available. Goes to show how dedicated his followers are.
[12:44] <Yogibear101> 12:42pm 09/11/01   ‘A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY HAS BEFALLEN MY NATION’ — POWELL
[12:44] <locust> he’s covered his tracks well – he’s got lots of money and sophisticated helpers
[12:44] <sail> DJ 12:44 DJ Germany’s Schroeder: US Attacks Amount To War Declaration
[12:44] <tck> God Bless America
[12:44] <jane86z> Schooner – maybe shows how we DO NOT have out act together
[12:44] <locust> he’s a Saudi prince worth millions
[12:45] <hot> schooner – I am sure US has always tried very, very hard to get bin laden. just isn’t so easy “just do it”
[12:45] <WallStArb> http://www.worldtradecenter.com/
[12:45] <roger2> what time was the first attack?…9:11?
[12:45] <sail> DJ 12:45 *DJ Sen. McCain: Attacks Were Obvious Act Of War
[12:45] <jimpea> 8:45
[12:45] <jimpea> about
[12:45] <Photon> Bin Laden is dead meat Hot… they will go to the ends of the earth to get him
[12:46] <liz> yea, around 8:45
[12:46] <tck> Ther is not a word for what has been done…
[12:46] <bubbles> this is a long read – and I know money isn’t the important thing right now, but this ties in with the bombing in a very scary way…  http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/hamilton091001.html
[12:46] <DrWest> tck:  sure there is …  W A R
[12:46] <Yogibear101> MSNBC-Bush says freedom attacked, and freedom will be protected
[12:46] <hot> photon – I hope he will be!!!!!!
[12:46] <pttrdr> the sad fact of the matter is that the arab extremists have been in a full state of war against us for over 20 years     most have just been shielded from it through our sheer size and strength
[12:46] <Photon> I know you do 🙂
[12:47] <locust> i suppose the WTC site will become a memorial park
[12:47] <rac1> if you could torture bin laden for 1000 years it would still not avenge this, or whoever is responsible
[12:47] <Yogibear101> MSNBC_Bush says military on high alert worldwide
[12:47] <mikew> you don’t avenge, that’s on their level, you just eliminate
[12:47] <DrWest> I’m sure tens of thousands of islamics will die in agony
[12:47] <Photon> Bin Laden will meet God one day… let God decide his fate
[12:47] <mauimark> mikew  right
[12:47] <pendo_munvurto> how many plains still in air?
[12:48] <PimpDiddy> yeah right there is no punishment in gods hands
[12:48] <tck> I  used to draw those buildings when i was a kid in Brooklyn,starting to well up as i write this sorry
[12:48] <theMAXX> none
[12:48] <pendo_munvurto> none?!
[12:48] <theMAXX> they’re all accounted for
[12:48] <boardsport> cnn said 45 planes still in the air.
[12:48] <boardsport> ten minutes ago
[12:48] <tck> i cant believe it
[12:48] <xstanx> Afganistan supports that bin laden guy right ?
[12:48] <boardsport> but in contact with all
[12:49] <stockpimp> yes they do !
[12:49] <theMAXX> ok- that may be right
[12:49] <StephenB> AP and CNBC Navy confirming Pentagon deaths
[12:49] <DrWest> mikew:  As the Isrealis have discovered, revenge is a necessary tool for managing people with this type of mentality.
[12:49] <PimpDiddy> they dont have anything in afghanistan NO OIL, DIAMONDS, nothing of value to keep frpm being bombed
[12:49] <crackerGA> Bush in Louisiana
[12:49] <jimpea> bush landed
[12:49] <Photon> Afganistans Nuclear capability is very primitive
[12:49] <Sandman> I would imagine that all planes still in the air have a military escort right now
[12:49] <mikew> difference between Israel and the US – Israel avenges and the US just uses patience until they are forced to anniliate, not for revenge but for self defense
[12:49] <Kinny> I won’t be surprised if the United Nations meets and seeks to outlaw religion
[12:49] <rac1> revenge, retaliation, justice, taking out the trash, whatever you call it
[12:50] <songw> cnn is calling for blood donations in ny and nj
[12:50] <Photon> Gimme a break Kinny 🙂
[12:50] <rif> looks to me like the building came down from the bottom not from where the plane hits
[12:50] <stockpimp> noy funny!
[12:50] <hot> it is still hard to comprehend. damn – we were watching this on TV. a freak show. I suspect that it is exactly a part of what they wanted
[12:50] <GoldenGoose> [1] 04:47 GoldenGoose on *private* (+npt) * type /help for help
[12:50] <GoldenGoose> Watching a plane coming in at SFO
[12:50] <DrWest> Kinny:  I suspect the UN will learn to do what it’s told from now on.  I doubt that we will be very accomadating in the future.
[12:50] <xstanx> folks be glad im not the president i would have already sent nukes out
[12:50] <Cha-ching> We have to clean house in our backyard too and stop money originating in the U.S. from heading to Arab countries who sponsor terroism
[12:51] <wwjs> rif..definately not the first one…came from the top down
[12:51] <xstanx> this gets me so mad
[12:51] <jimpea> taliban new conference cnn
[12:51] <jimpea> news
[12:51] <boardsport> taliban spokesman is going live on cnn right now
[12:51] <stockpimp> agreed x
[12:51] <tck> CNN has kaliban on!
[12:51] <sail> nbc did have a report that there may have been explosives in the wtc
[12:51] <tck> omtv now
[12:51] <ALman1> to pull this off required a large logistical support effort in the US, so a lot of terrorist still hanging around here – hope some effort underway to finf them
[12:51] <tck> CNN now
[12:51] <seawind> CNN
[12:52] <pendo_munvurto> taleban @ cnn
[12:52] <Yogibear101> 12:49pm 09/11/01  AT&T recommends not calling NY, DC (T) By Tomi Kilgore
[12:52] <Yogibear101> AT&T (T) said there has been no damage to its long distance network as a result of the day’s emergency situation, but acknowledged there has been “higher-than-normal” volume into affected areas. “To ensure ample network capacity for emergency calls in the affected areas, AT&T recommends that customers not call New York City or Washington D.C.,” the company said in a statement
[12:52] <pendo_munvurto> talian
[12:52] <GoldenGoose> Watching a plane about 500 feet up coming into SFO
[12:52] <boardsport> golden goose any escort
[12:52] <GoldenGoose> no
[12:52] <EricD> yeah sure. I can imagine everyone choosing not to call their relatives in NY to see if they are ok
[12:52] <tck> what channel Golden/
[12:52] <GoldenGoose> Im watching it from a building Im in
[12:52] <hot> what is he saying – taleban speaksman
[12:53] <tck> omg
[12:53] <patman> he sure looks cocky
[12:53] <Yogibear101> 12:51pm 09/11/01   TOKYO STOCK EXCHANGE SCHEDULED TO BE OPEN ON WEDNESDAY
[12:53] <tck> sure does pat
[12:53] <tck> body posture not good
[12:53] <Krawuttke> look at cnn, taliban is speaking live
[12:53] <joelm1> that’s a very defensive posture
[12:53] <Tri-afk> my phone has been down 2 hrs ago…inluding cell phone
[12:54] <Photon> American needs to reopen their exchanges as quickly as possible… else the dollar will be killed
[12:54] <AV_OUT> where from Tri
[12:54] <tck> he better get used to it joe
[12:54] <bucko> DJN: *DJ US Forces In Europe Put On Highest Military Alert
[12:54] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 12:54:32)
[12:54] <Sandman> body language varies considerably from country to country
[12:54] <Tri-afk> in VA…40 miles from Wash DC
[12:54] <nICK> “I’ve seen seven people jump,” said Elizabeth Dziejma, a maintenance worker at Merrill Lynch & Co. who was evacuated from one of the towers. “Jesus Christ, this is awful. I can’t believe it.”
[12:54] <sail> is the infrastructure to trading systems damaged at all?
[12:54] <nICK> http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20World%20News&s1=blk&tp=ad_topright_topworld&T=markets_bfgcgi_content99.ht&s2=ad_right1_windex&bt=ad_position1_windex&middle=ad_frame2_windex&s=AO54_LhUBVGVycm9y
[12:54] <codeblue> how can this guy say they’re against terrorism and make a safe haven for Ben Laden
[12:54] <AV_OUT> nick – we’re not going to like the details of this
[12:55] <Photon> Also US must not knuckle under to this by allowing these guys to shut down the financial mkts
[12:55] <bucko> DJN: DJ US Markets Could Remain Closed Wed., Sources Say
[12:55] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 12:55:26)
[12:55] <Suzanne> Ann Compton on ABC talking about being in Air Force 1 with the pres?
[12:55] <Photon> That’s part of their plan
[12:55] <xstanx> Afganistan is lucky im not president they would already be a memory
[12:55] <EricD> opening the markets too soon could cause a lot more damage than leaving them closed
[12:56] <boardsport> disney world and kennedy space center are closed
[12:56] <kane> put on CNN
[12:56] <rac1> noone in any hurry to take credit for this one, even the perpetrators are probably amazed at the effectiveness of their scheme
[12:56] <tck> Im in Orlando basically city on shutdown
[12:56] <sail> DJ 12:52 *DJ NYBOT Chmn: No Backup Trading Until Monday At Earliest
[12:56] <locust> itend to agree rac1 – amazing how well executed it all seems to have been   utterly amazing
[12:57] <jane86z> Bin Ladin might be turned over out of fear of relatiation to Afghan
[12:57] <EricD> I’m surprised hundreds of whackos arent claiming responsibility for this
[12:57] <Lynn42> Detroit also shutting down
[12:57] <Yogibear101> MSBNC-Navy public affairs confirms deaths inside Pentagon
[12:57] <hot> imagine if ALL of the planes they were planning to hijack would have succeeded. there was at least 1 more. and maybe still more up???
[12:57] <meangene> elementar6y school near military base near me has been closed
[12:57] <codeblue> Eric, I’m a little worried that that the whackos will now take to the streets
[12:58] <Scorp^> how much money does bin ladin have ?
[12:58] <incog> Mayor of San Diego has said he knows of no threat to the city, however high rises are being evacuated.
[12:58] <FiNnZ> scorp plenty
[12:58] <Photon> I predict US will go after Afganistan if they continue to harbor Bin Landen
[12:58] <sail> DJ 12:58 DJ Osama Bin Laden Warned Of US Attacks – Arab Journalist
[12:58] <moatie-afk> where id that secon flight from boston #175 crash
[12:58] <AV_OUT> Eric – you must be kidding – even wackos have some sense
[12:58] <hot> Scorp – a lot, coming in from various places
[12:58] <rac1> airlines gonna strip search passengers before letting you on any aircraft
[12:58] <Scorp^> I know that FiNnZ, just wondered if a billion yet
[12:59] <hot> this attack propably didn’t actually cost so much. it was extremely efficient
[12:59] <MrM> wasnt the NSA created to prevent something like this??????????
[12:59] <lauf> what is this guy saying?
[12:59] <BullTrain> I just stabbed a palestinian
[12:59] <AV_OUT> CNN – i have no clue
[12:59] <jane86z> the NSA has been disfunctional
[12:59] <wwjs> kick em
[12:59] <codeblue> tough to go after Afganistan — lots of desert/mountains/rock – the Russians couldn’t do it (and it isn’t clear to me that Afganistan is where the blame should go, yet.)
[12:59] <lauf> I expect retaliation tonight
[12:59] <MrM> seems so
[12:59] <Suzanne> Giuliani on ABC
[12:59] <tck> Israel is sending their expert search teams to help us
[12:59] *** BullTrain was kicked by Scorp^ (Scorp^)
[12:59] <EricD> there probably wont be retalitation for weeks
[12:59] <wwjs> thank-you
[13:00] <PimpDiddy> next time a terrorist makes thearts we US need to take them seriouisly
[13:00] <ferrari> no reports of any thwarted hijackings?
[13:00] <Scorp^> np
[13:00] <GoldenGoose> Israel military intelligence is located in the WTO
[13:00] <trademe> Fox news is reporting that two international flights coming in from Europe
[13:00] <trademe> are unable to be contacted. ABC is reporting that F-16 fighters are
[13:00] <trademe> patrolling New York and Washington airspace, and have orders to shoot down
[13:00] <trademe> any aircraft, commercial or other, that try to enter the airspace. U.S.
[13:00] <trademe> President George W. Bush, currently residing in a Louisiana air force base,
[13:00] <trademe> will not return to Washington, CNN reported. 1645 GMT, 091101
[13:00] <x123> Thank God the towers didn’t fall for 90 minutes after the initial impact.   Thousands of lives saved.
[13:00] <EricD> terrorists *always* make threats
[13:00] <hot> the world will be a different place. when the dust settles tomorrow we will understand how bad this really is. possibly worse than we understand
[13:00] <EricD> death toll estimate 10,000
[13:00] <PimpDiddy> No one ever tried in texas they shoot first and ask questions later of suspicious persons
[13:01] <bbcc> we may be at war by tomorrow
[13:01] <Cha-ching> Pressure from the Arab citizens on terrorism is the only way to stop it
[13:01] <AV_OUT> fire fighters police. at the scene – sad
[13:01] <Young_Grasshopper> anyone out there?
[13:01] <lauf> we need to KILL Bin Laudin
[13:01] <Suzanne> Giuliani secure in midtown
[13:01] <xstanx> lauf we will
[13:01] <lauf> hes just one guy
[13:01] <rac1> giuliani is losing it no doubt
[13:01] <patman> yes
[13:01] <AV_OUT> doing their jobs and then the collapse
[13:01] <Suzanne> he is speaking on ABC
[13:01] <Young_Grasshopper> oh yeah….a little late for that.
[13:01] <lauf> get the hell in there nad murder that SOB
[13:01] <spx> I heard the fireman in the other tower saying “im the last one” before the towers collapsed, maybe there weren’t so many casualties!
[13:02] <skifreak> the reward is 5 million for his head
[13:02] <trademe> CBS is reporting that today, Sept. 11, is the one-year anniversary of the
[13:02] <trademe> Camp David accord. CBS also reported that the Federal Aviation Authority has
[13:02] <trademe> received a “brief” message from terrorists aboard the first plane that
[13:02] <trademe> struck the World Trade Center, and that a second plane has been forced down
[13:02] <trademe> near Camp David that was “targeting” the Pentagon. 1636 GMT, 091101
[13:02] <jane86z> amazing Saddam Hussein not mentioned as suspect
[13:02] <theMAXX> not yet
[13:02] <lauf> thgis is an outrage
[13:02] *** lauf was kicked by Scorp^ (Scorp^)
[13:02] <bucko> A: CIA sources confirm Masud’s death
[13:02] <bucko> (Comtex 09/11 13:02:41)
[13:02] <bucko> WASHINGTON, Sep 11, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) — The death
[13:02] <bucko> of Ahmad Shah Masud, commander of the resistance to the Taliban regime in
[13:02] <bucko> Afghanistan, has been confirmed by CIA agents operating in the region, according
[13:02] <bucko> to U.S. intelligence sources Tuesday morning.
[13:03] <rac1> even saddam would be reluctant to pull this off, he would be dead meat if definitely linked
[13:03] <Yogibear101> 1:02pm 09/11/01   FOX NEWS: DEATH TOLL ESTIMATED AT 10,000 AT WTC
[13:03] <Suzanne> oh my
[13:03] <xstanx> the FAA has recordings from one of the planes when the attackers were taking over a plane it was muslim they said
[13:03] <AV_OUT> yep rac
[13:03] <Young_Grasshopper> the crazy thing is that we have not killed Ladin….
[13:03] <Photon>
12Take a moment and say a prayer for these victims
[13:04] <Young_Grasshopper> we actually spotted Bin Ladin less than a year ago…
[13:04] <jane86z> the death toll is staggering – in tears
[13:04] <Scorp^> Ladin may be crazy, but he is smart – the worse kind
[13:04] <spx> any New Yorkers here?
[13:04] <Dgood> hey taps i am in
[13:04] <Cha-ching> We need to kill his family and relatives
[13:04] <jane86z> yes
[13:04] <PimpDiddy> they need to take that arrogant smirk of bin laudens face
[13:04] <xstanx> ladin will hide
[13:04] *** Guest38330 is now known as Gina
[13:04] <itchy> Any guesses on when the markets will resume?
[13:04] <lauf> first of all how does a plane get hijacked in this day and age,  anyone taken a flight recently?  there is such tight security…
[13:04] <ZOOS150> ny here
[13:04] <prttrdr> bin laden will not escape this time
[13:04] <mayan> he cant hide atomic bomb
[13:04] *** Guest98163 is now known as call
[13:05] <spx> how is the smoke? How close to wall street can people get?
[13:05] <Young_Grasshopper> Ladin is a billionaire…he is the guy you want to destroy
[13:05] <rac1> lauf, evidently not so tight
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[13:05] <codeblue> itchy, some are saying Monday, but haven’t heard a confirm on that on TV
[13:05] <Young_Grasshopper> My brother had ash all over him….
[13:05] <Yogibear101> 9/11/2001 1:00:00 PM
[13:05] <Yogibear101> LONDON, Sept 11 (Reuters) – The London Stock Exchange said on Tuesday it would open for trading as normal on Wednesday after a tumultuous slide following attacks in the United States which shut down U.S. share markets
[13:05] <gauss> there is no security the guard make $8 an hour it is a joke
[13:05] <kane> 3:02] *** Quits: skj (asdf@cc344963-b.erlght1.md.home.com) (Connection reset by peer)
[13:05] <kane> [13:04] <Yogibear101> 1:02pm 09/11/01   FOX NEWS: DEATH TOLL ESTIMATED AT 10,000 AT WTC
[13:05] <Taps> great. Dgood
[13:05] <Tri-afk>  Fox news is reporting that two international flights coming in from Europe are unable to be contacted. ABC is reporting that F-16 fighters are patrolling New York and Washington airspace, and have orders to shoot down
[13:05] <hot> mayan – you cant nuke a place not knowing if the target is actually there. all you will get is thousands of peole dead and a world war.
[13:06] <ResearcherA1>                               ‘
[13:06] <deac> absolutely alot of blame will be placed since bin just said a few days ago he was gonna do the big one
[13:06] <aaadu> hi
[13:06] <AV_OUT> lauf – security is not good anyone can see that –  – what would you need? a few able people and no security on cockpit doors
[13:06] <deac> security failures everywhere
[13:06] <Young_Grasshopper> Anybody read the book “Executive Decision” by Tom Clancy…the blue prints were in there.
[13:06] <lauf> he must die
[13:06] <hot> jep it is SOOO Tom Clancy
[13:07] <Young_Grasshopper> Tom Clancy had one plane hit a joint session of Congress and the president
[13:07] <codeblue> yeah, but AV – they pulled off these simultaneous attacks without word leaking out
[13:07] <Scorp^> you reckon Ladin reads Clancy ?
[13:07] <AV_OUT> some authors/film makers are maybe having second thoughts i bet
[13:07] <Young_Grasshopper> at the Capital…
[13:07] <hot> actually Clancy has shown many weaknessen in many books
[13:07] <Young_Grasshopper> Well, he had guys with pilot’s Licenses
[13:07] <Young_Grasshopper> oh, its not Clancy’s fault…
[13:07] <mikew> MBTrading sent email saying the banking system is going offline, is that right?
[13:07] <AV_OUT> code – i’m very curious about what the gov’t knew
[13:07] <GoldenGoose> word leaked
[13:08] <AV_OUT> golden – what have you heard?
[13:08] <smith> 3:06] <sunnyyyy>  Fox news is reporting that two international flights coming in from Europe are unable to be contacted. ABC is reporting that F-16 fighters are patrolling New York and Washington airspace, and have orders to shoot down
[13:08] <mikew> meaning no withdrawals etc?
[13:08] <smith> [13:08] <Fido> I wonder how many people from #dt are gone now, and we will never know what nick is gone for what reason
[13:08] <codeblue> AV – guess we won’t find out …
[13:08] <jimpea> bush cnn
[13:08] <Rollo> Bomb threads starting in Germany
[13:08] <WILLatl> bush on cnn
[13:08] <stockpimp> taped
[13:08] <ResearcherA1> Ameritech operator informs main chicago lines served by ameritech are under emergency notice of system overload time 1205noon CDT
[13:08] <boardsport> bush on fox
[13:08] <locust> sub base Bangor in Washington is at threatcon delta
[13:08] <hot> no, not his fault. rather he showed us something that we should be aware of. he is one of my favourite authors. great insight
[13:08] <rac1> the really frightening thing is that in the end, there is only so much the gvt can do to prevent this type of act.. imo this thing has the potential to spiral, its a very dangerous time
[13:08] <AV_OUT> they don’t call up people who are no longer in the military to man patriot batteries as a normal course of business
[13:08] <Young_Grasshopper> welp, guys the world just changed….flying a plane changed, immigration law changed, the 2nd amenment, you can write that off…
[13:08] <pendo_munvurto> bush!
[13:09] <deac> cbs has bush
[13:09] <meebbie> bush video but will be on fox soon…
[13:09] <tck> Ron insana on nbc and he is covered in dust
[13:09] <rac1> 4th amendment at risk big time
[13:09] <tck> incredible
[13:09] <StephenB> bush audio working now
[13:09] <DChristie> today’s date is 911
[13:09] <DChristie> 9-11
[13:09] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah…it is trying time for freedom…
[13:09] <^maxim^> Bush video taped earlier
[13:10] <songw> this is a watershed moment-all will change
[13:10] <tups> guys, whole world is shocked
[13:10] <JoMi> needed a few more armed passengers/pilots
[13:10] <AV_OUT> golden – do you know anything?
[13:10] <Scorp^> hunt down – love it
[13:10] <Young_Grasshopper> welp, here is that bottom everyone is looking for…
[13:10] <GoldenGoose> no, just comparing to Pearl Harbor knowledge
[13:10] <Young_Grasshopper> it ain’t going to get much worse than this…
[13:11] <mikew> we’ve had incidents before, where we were told airport security would change, it never did
[13:11] <AV_OUT> ok golden – thanks – it will come out – it will just take some time
[13:11] <Young_Grasshopper> an entire vietnam casualty stat…in one day in one city in 20 minutes…
[13:11] <rac1> at least in past conflicts you more or less knew who the bad guys were, and you fought them within some minimal framework
[13:12] <AV_OUT> yep mike – plenty of room for finger pointing – there have been cockpit security incidents in the past and the airlines have not done enough – obviously
[13:12] <bucko> DJN: *DJ US Military Placed On Full Wartime State Of Alert – Bush
[13:12] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 13:12:22)
[13:12] *** Guest73816 is now known as shebesavvy
[13:12] <Young_Grasshopper> minimum wage idiots…at security….
[13:12] <JoMi> Young_G – hard to know that yet.. 50k+ in Vietnam
[13:12] <anlavi> Mis mas sentidas condolencias para toda la gente de USA afectada por estos horribles atentados
[13:12] <hot> someone is saying that there are still 7 airplanes hijacked
[13:12] <StephenB> yup…seems they more or less got their way in 3 out of 4 cockpits they targetted
[13:12] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, an exageration…butmakes the point
[13:13] <jane86z> well – at least they are not telling where Bush is
[13:13] <Suzanne> Ft Hood and Edwards AFB in San Antone here on full alert, have been all morning
[13:13] <StephenB> maybe all 4
[13:13] <tck> gracias alavin
[13:13] <Young_Grasshopper> 2 planes still unaccounted for.
[13:13] <sunnyyyy> where u heat that?
[13:13] <bucko> DJN: DJ Terrorists Must Have Had Own Pilots – Experts
[13:13] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 13:11:00)
[13:13] <bucko>   NEW YORK (AP)–The terrorists who apparently hijacked four planes and
[13:13] <bucko> attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon could only have succeeded by
[13:13] <bucko> using their own trained pilots in a scheme that defied all scenarios
[13:13] <bucko> envisioned by national security officials, terrorism experts said.
[13:13] <bucko>   “They flew the planes themselves,” Gene Poteat, president of the Association
[13:13] <bucko> of Former Intelligence Officers, said Tuesday.
[13:13] <bucko>   “No pilot, even with a gun to his head, is going to fly into the World
[13:13] <bucko> Towers,” he said.
[13:13] <sunnyyyy> hear
[13:13] <Treller> Bush at Barksdale AFB No?
[13:13] <deac> nobody has ever hit our mainland like this since maybe 1812
[13:14] <roger2> get ben laden first….then look for any others
[13:14] <codeblue> Bush gave a pre-recorded message
[13:14] <sfaql> Bush at Shreveport. LA
[13:14] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, that is pretty obvious…they killed the pilots and threw them aside in the last 1 minute
[13:14] <jane86z> Bush locations not known
[13:14] <rac1> someone needs to invent some cockpit/avionics security system to thwart this type of takeover
[13:14] <Young_Grasshopper> not a lot of Arabs in LA
[13:14] <jane86z> they might have been hired pilots
[13:14] <Young_Grasshopper> pretty safe place.
[13:14] <jane86z> this is long in the planning
[13:14] <AV_OUT> rac1 how about a good door with a lock on it?
[13:14] <codeblue> rac1 – they’re working on it
[13:14] <StephenB> big steel door behind the pilots that stays locked at all times imo
[13:15] <rac1> locks are for keeping the honest people out
[13:15] <Photon> Betcha Bush isn’t in LA… why would they divulge that
[13:15] <tck> Last clear and present danger was the Uboat attacks in ww2
[13:15] <AV_OUT> it’s not rocket science
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[13:15] <jane86z> would be easy to hijact a plane if you ARE the legitimate pilot
[13:15] <sail> I doubt Bush is where the media reports he is
[13:15] <deac> tom clancy was on tv earlier- he said very special person to be a suicide pilot
[13:15] <AV_OUT> yep Photon – he’s hopping around i presume
[13:15] <StephenB> now there’s a thought jane
[13:15] <Rollo>
[13:15] <Rollo>      Born in 1958, Bin laden is the seventeenth of 52 sons of Saudi Arabia’s wealthiest construction magnate.
[13:15] <sfaql> According to WABC telecast, Bush, landed in La, Luisiana
[13:15] <Pogo> “We have met the enemy….”
[13:15] <jane86z> CNN said Bush whereabouts not told – OBVIOUSLY
[13:15] <rac1> talking like an undefeatable autopilot that kicks in if authorized personel not at control
[13:15] <jane86z> could be 1 or 7 bases
[13:15] <JOHNNYBOY> what we need is remote control of planes from the ground
[13:16] <Rollo> 52 !!!
[13:16] <Jona> The oilprice is up.
[13:16] <Photon> Bin Laden is one of a few aintichrists that have plagued humanity from time to time
[13:16] <jane86z> it would be very assinine to say where Bush landed
[13:16] <Est_guy> any man-made technology is always affectable
[13:16] <Rollo> Bombthread in Frankfurt/Germany
[13:17] <codeblue> moffet AFB closed, HP closing offics in NYC, SF, LA
[13:18] <sfaql> WABC TV live telecast on internet now
[13:18] <WallStArb> Man I was just looking over Europe’s closes
[13:18] <Yogibear101> <Yogibear101> Bush speaking
[13:18] <Yogibear101> <Yogibear101> Bush says our nation is being tested
[13:18] <Yogibear101> <Yogibear101> and we will pass the test
[13:18] <itchy> Two US Warships dispatched to NY Harbor
[13:18] <WallStArb> I’ve never seen #’s like this
[13:18] <songw> lets try to stand behind our president -when the country is under attack parochial views take a back seat-we speak with one voice now
[13:18] <rac1> practically a crash eh?
[13:18] <codeblue> Wally, we prob. haven’t seen anything yet.
[13:18] <DChristie> what were the deaths of pearl harbor?
[13:18] <WallStArb> France -8%
[13:18] <Aardvark> around 2,200
[13:18] <Yogibear101> about 2300
[13:18] <itchy> Does anyone think the markets will open tomorrow
[13:18] <WallStArb> UK -6%
[13:18] <JoMi> got a link Wally?
[13:19] <WallStArb> http://finance.yahoo.com/m2?u
[13:19] <jobynimble> I told you it was horrible; I guess it’s starting to sink in…
[13:19] <rac1> maybe late, but imo why bother
[13:19] <Thor> itchy…not for some time..imo
[13:19] <sfaql> WABC tv Bush live icast from Barksdale AFB, La
[13:19] <ZOOS150> possible 50,000 dead be reporting
[13:19] <Jona> Norway and Finland closed up.
[13:19] <WallStArb> Switzerland -7%
[13:19] <TheTulp> dax -8,5% now
[13:19] <mikew> the market had finally looked like we were gonna start going up and now this
[13:19] <DChristie> jeez
[13:19] <ZOOS150> docotr on cbs
[13:19] <Moron> Finland – NOKA – Norway – Oil…
[13:19] <itchy> This ismany times larger than Pearl Harbor
[13:19] <ZOOS150> possible Biologic entity
[13:19] <dops> German markets closed
[13:19] <codeblue> the TV just says the Pittsburgh plane “crashed”
[13:19] <DChristie> unbelievable what i just saw … i did not think i would see something like this
[13:19] <Rollo> looks like lots of copycats now activ…bombthread now in Berlin/Germany
[13:19] <Aardvark> American casualties:
[13:19] <Aardvark> 2,334 killed, 1,
[13:20] <DChristie> pittsburg was shot down
[13:20] <Yogibear101> ABM Industries (ABM) has confirmed that the World Trade Center in New York is its largest single job site with “upwards of 800 operating engineers, janitorial workers and lighting technicians” from the company working various day and night shifts. “We’re very concerned about the well-being of those employees and all other occupants and neighbors of the Center, as well as the rescue and other emergency service personnel now at that loc
[13:20] <jane86z> I once had to run down 20 flights when a crane hit my building in midtown Manhattan – could not walk for a few days afterward
[13:20] <Gr8-1> ZOOS150 a true optimist
[13:20] <tck> Yes itchy PH was a miltiary target,this is civilain/collateral
[13:20] <Young_Grasshopper> this could be the bottom in the next couple weeks…didn’t USA’s invasion of Iraq mark the end the ’91 decline?
[13:20] <pendo_munvurto> where was it said pittsburg was shot down?
[13:20] <bobby44> we may get a bottom
[13:20] <jane86z> not to make a joke – I guess we are not trying to guess the market bottom
[13:21] <Photon> The actual invasion did yes… mkt was terribl leading up to that tho
[13:21] <crackerGA> NBC has survivor from 54th floor reporting building not very full
[13:21] <Scorp^> eyewitness accounts, local news, on PA shooting plane down
[13:21] <Scorp^> don’t trust it yet
[13:21] <Yogibear101> 1:20pm 09/11/01   [VZ] VERIZON: CUSTOMERS TO LIMIT PHONES USE FOR EMERGENCIES
[13:21] <spx> 600 people here and now one from NY?
[13:21] <spx> No one…
[13:21] <ZOOS150> ny here
[13:21] <WallStArb> Many are from New York
[13:21] <tck> Looking at NYC w/o WTC feels like an amputation
[13:21] <itchy> The ramifications of the destruction of the WTC will be Great
[13:22] <spx> So, what do you see?
[13:22] <rac1> dont want to sound like a cassandra but the way this is handled is crucial, world could be on a bit of a brink
[13:22] <jane86z> NY here – but in suberbs today – family & friends in NYC today
[13:22] <locust> Osama is a Saudi prince – Saudis had better be out there finding him – if there’s anyone that should be able to determine his wherebaouts it would have to be them
[13:22] <xstanx> a crazy reporter was under the building filming its fall and people were running by him as he was filming
[13:22] <xstanx> nuts
[13:22] <PimpDiddy> yeah they better find him
[13:22] <itchy> Forget recession, could this send us into a depression
[13:22] <spx> Would be nice to hear from someone close to downtown.
[13:22] <deac> flight 77 left dc how come nobody noticed it went toward new york
[13:22] <mikew> was anyone smart enough to sell everything right after this was reported?
[13:22] <codeblue> there will be real economic impact as well (not to downplay the tragedy)
[13:22] <deac> istead of toward l.a.
[13:23] <Yogibear101>  DEUTSCHE BOERSE SAYS RECEIVES A BOMB THREAT
[13:23] <FiNnZ> yogibear what is that
[13:23] <deac> unless had a stop in ny first
[13:23] <Yogibear101>  DJN: *DJ Deutsche Boerse: Eurex Ends Trade Early At 1715 GMT
[13:24] <WallStArb> Cantor is BIG
[13:24] <ZENCO> crisis create many jobs, building restruce, high tech eqiupment,securety,medical health care…could help econmy recovery (more demand)
[13:24] <BiggestDog> no word on who has done this?
[13:24] <Young_Grasshopper> I think there is a number reasons why this happened:  1 Ladin’s vengence 2 USA invasion of Iraq 3 USA’s stubborn support of the ethnic cleansing Israelis 4 Clinton’s “Monica Missiles” harming our moral, reputation and moral around the world. and lastly, 5 that cooky religion.
[13:24] <rac1> someone said they saw papers from one of the brockerages fluttering to the ground
[13:24] <jobynimble> I know alot of people that worked in the WTC… :(((  tears…
[13:24] <jane86z> Clinton-Monica has nothing to do with this – sheesh
[13:25] <codeblue> zenco – the money will have to come from somewhere – govt. may need to set up special incentives, let’s hope our leaders can do their jobs.
[13:25] <spx> Any brokerage houses in WTC?
[13:25] <Young_Grasshopper> My brother found someones little organizer… I said keep it or send it  back to him….
[13:25] <bobby44> .5 percent rate cut coming
[13:25] <xstanx> i wonder if any of the traders in the buildings hung out in these trading rooms
[13:25] <jane86z> except to show how stupid we are in spending out time and money on such drivel
[13:25] <Suzanne> 12% of Morgan was in WTC spx
[13:25] <tck> YG is your brother down there?
[13:25] <mflutie> hi folks…just got back in.. was in central Manhatten this morning (57th & 10th) & left just after the 1st hit.o Of course it took  this long to get back out to Suffolk County, Long Island. LIExpressway is closed west & traffic is a nightmare.. Only way out is side streets.
[13:25] <Suzanne> tons of houses in WTC
[13:25] <jimr> Morgan Stanley has 11% of the WTC
[13:25] <bizee> Hanford Nuclear Site (DOE Site) in Wash state just released employees .  apparently DOE releasing people all over country
[13:25] <PimpDiddy> the country hiding bin laden is responsible too
[13:25] <trademe> At a press conference today U.S. President George W. Bush said that the U.S.
[13:25] <trademe> military is on high-alert status. The entire United States has reportedly
[13:25] <trademe> been put on Defcon Delta, and reports are that ballistic missile submarines
[13:25] <trademe> have seen out to sea and that elements of the U.S. Special Forces, Delta
[13:25] <trademe> Force and Navy Seals have been activated. Sources say that at the time of
[13:25] <trademe> the attack on the World Trade Center there were reportedly 3,000 people in
[13:25] <trademe> the first building and 1,500 in the second. Estimates out of New York
[13:25] <trademe> hospitals say as many as 10,000 may be dead. 1820 GMT, 091101
[13:25] <Suzanne> mflutie?
[13:26] <mflutie> yes?
[13:26] <cool> anyone hear from Robbin?
[13:26] <itchy> Does noone want to comment on the fact that this could result in a world wide depression?
[13:26] <Young_Grasshopper> oh, it is factor #4 in my opinion…I lived abroad when Clinton happened…it hurt relationships with paid CIA operatives and relationships with alliess…this is a huge factor…
[13:26] <xstanx> no way at this time to guess the numbers hurt or killed
[13:26] <ZENCO> codeblue, for GOVT. there are more important thing than money.. sometime fight back is priceless
[13:26] <Suzanne> Robbin is in Rochester thank God cool, she;s been out of the city for some time
[13:26] <cool> great thx suzanne
[13:26] <rac1> they should close markets for a bit, at least tomorrow if not all week
[13:26] <roger2> itchy..not likely imo
[13:26] <jane86z> <Young_Grasshopper – go back to your master for some WISDOM – you missed the class
[13:26] <Beeks> how could 10k be dead if only 4500 in the WTC?
[13:26] <Aardvark> the building had to fall somewhere Beeks
[13:27] <EricD> 50,000 people work there beeks
[13:27] <boardsport> 45000 beeks
[13:27] <Aardvark> and emergency personnel at scene
[13:27] <WallStArb> 50,000 work in the WTC
[13:27] <GoldenGoose> look at the dust cloud surrounding the buildings
[13:27] <jobynimble> 4500 x 2
[13:27] <Yogibear101> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B96D9CC42%2D2BA5%2D4DE8%2D81AF%2DA7C6EF05F76D%7D&siteid=mktw
[13:27] <Beeks> i was reading the trademe post
[13:27] <GoldenGoose> the dust cloud alone will kill thousands
[13:27] <xstanx> 50,000 was reported as being in or around wtc
[13:27] <rac1> i would be amazed if 1000’s were not killed
[13:27] <Kinny> there’s a major subway terminal under WTC and many other shops and buildings
[13:27] <jane86z> also many ppl on the streets and in nearby buildings
[13:27] <pendo_munvurto>  the astronauts on the international space station report they can see the smoke from space CONFIRMED with a scope they CAN see the smoke, and have done a group prayer on the station
[13:27] <rac1> they flattened those buildings in little over an hour
[13:27] <songw> there’s an extensive garage under the trade center
[13:27] <roger2> this is a result of individuals..not governments imo…it won’t result in a major depression
[13:28] <^maxim^> Arafat on BBC
[13:28] <songw> and the path trains to jersey
[13:28] <boardsport> and subway under wtc
[13:28] <songw> and the west side trains
[13:28] <JOHNNYBOY> heard on tv after crash they shut down elevators, i guess lot of people got stuck
[13:28] <WallStArb> The PATH trains to NJ each hold 1000 people
[13:28] <WallStArb> and several come in at a time
[13:28] <Ltdc> According to a person who worked in the wtc there would have been a good deal more people in the buildings by 10:00 et
[13:28] <matsuokah> and jersey path too songw
[13:28] <WallStArb> every few mins
[13:28] <jane86z> elevators always shut down – must use stairs
[13:28] <bobby44> there were reports of a bomb blast in the WTC, near the lobby, around the time of the second plane crash
[13:28] <spx> songw, yes but there was 1 hour evac time.. let’s hope many got out
[13:28] <Yogibear101> lower floors prolly have survivors trapped
[13:29] <mikew> I don’t think there are any lower floors now
[13:29] <jane86z> Young_Grasshopper – foriegners laughed at us for making a big deal of the soap opera
[13:29] <PimpDiddy> NEW YORK, Sept 11 (Reuters) – Morgan Stanley Dean Witter &
[13:29] <sfaql> what is latest news on 2 inbound intnt’l flts being circled by F-16’s
[13:29] <ResearcherA1> is there anybody in this chat room in europe, please? Kindly advise of situation there (airports, etc). tks. anybody from middle east?
[13:30] <bucko> msco had 50 floors in wtc
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[13:30] <boardsport> saw cbs story on the 93 wtc bombing.  there were 53 kids and 2 adults trapped in the elevator all day.
[13:30] <prttrdr>  WASHINGTON, D.C.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Sept. 11, 2001–Military.com
[13:30] <prttrdr> (www.military.com) is providing real-time defense information,
[13:30] <prttrdr> national security reports, cyber-terrorism updates, key emergency
[13:30] <prttrdr> numbers, background data and more military-related information.
[13:30] <Kinny> There are 239 elevators in the whole WTC complex
[13:30] <Young_Grasshopper> I think we should just stop trade with France…for a little while just cuz they oil from Libya and Iraq….
[13:30] <roger2> gas going up at the pumps?
[13:31] <Photon> It will
[13:31] <hot> well, seems like no trading tomorrow – I think it wouldn’t be a surrender. better that everything is in order when the market reopens
[13:31] <Ltdc> I just don’t think there is any way the airline pilots themselves flew the planes into the towers.
[13:31] <jane86z> hot – agree
[13:31] <sfaql> what is news source on inbound intt’l flts
[13:31] <ResearcherA1> anybody from europe here?
[13:31] <R> Like someone said earlier, sick to think that this has some relation to why  alt fuel stocks went up yesterday 🙁
[13:31] <meebbie> update from Europe… NATO evacuated in Brussels…. London airports are all on high level alert…. pretty much the same all over… channels from England, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Spain, France…etc.. all are showing this… all in sympathy
[13:32] <ithorpe> yes ResearcherA1, from spain
[13:32] <meebbie> most are using American footage…  only difference is commentary….
[13:32] <codeblue> there’s a guy being interviewed who was on the maint. staff of WTC who went up the stairways, unlocking doors, a brave man …
[13:32] <gyzmo> Belgium is evacuating the intl buildings also
[13:32] <jane86z> don’t think it is just sympathy – they are in danger too
[13:32] <mikew> why would fire escape doors need to be unlocked, that only happens in 3rd world countries
[13:32] <gyzmo> everyone is very afraid here, and really, really shocked
[13:32] <JOHNNYBOY> anybody know how many floors in wtc?
[13:32] <Perse> $null
[13:33] <crackerGA> 110
[13:33] <Kinny> 110
[13:33] <halfull> 103
[13:33] <meebbie> gyzmo you in Belgium
[13:33] <gauss> 103
[13:33] <gyzmo> yes
[13:33] <JOHNNYBOY> tks
[13:33] <theMAXX> msnbc just said something about Detroit – what was it?
[13:33] <meebbie> … i  get the feeling that we are all shocked…
[13:33] <DChristie> huh?
[13:33] <ZENCO> few months ago when i watch TLC , amazing see airline stuff can open passager luggaue like  easier(steal), that mean how loose their securety, and maybe easy bribe by terrorist
[13:33] <meebbie> mainly because most of us know someone working in NY….
[13:33] <PMA> detroit with tunnel
[13:34] <patman> they shut down fed bldgs maxx thats all i saw on the locaql news
[13:34] <bobby44> LONDON, Sept 11 (Reuters) – The shock to financial markets from Tuesday’s devastating plane attacks in the United States could have huge repercussions for an already-fragile world economy, stunned analysts said as they watched events unfold.
[13:34] <bobby44> Stock markets around the world plunged and oil prices soared after two planes crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and another plane slammed into the Pentagon in Washington D.C.
[13:34] <ghostship> Maxx, they said # of people working in WTC is greater than # living in Detroit
[13:34] <hot> I hope that this is the end of it. no more attacks – thank you got the message. though I am worried about the 2 planes from London. Poor passengers, if these planes are actually hijacked – could be rumours or some weird hype. has been a lot of it today.
[13:34] <theMAXX> ok – thx
[13:34] <PT1> CNN interviewing a guy who was on the 64th floor
[13:34] <TMaid> blood donations needed north jersey call 1-800-give life
[13:34] <bobby44> Federal Reserve Bank of New York President William McDonough, speaking in Switzerland, said the U.S. central bank would provide liquidity to financial markets as needed
[13:34] <Suzanne> thanks TMaid, i think its a wise idea if its being asked for in your area to donate
[13:35] <PT1> he ran down the stairs
[13:35] <DChristie> lucky guy on cnn
[13:35] <TMaid> nightmare
[13:35] <alipang> list
[13:35] <DChristie> he said most guys weren’t on panic
[13:35] <WallStArb> 65 floors is a heck of alot of stairs to go down
[13:35] <tck> God bless him and his family
[13:35] <DChristie> from now on .. i will take every fire alarm more seriously
[13:35] <PT1> you never take the elevator in those situations
[13:36] <Young_Grasshopper> I though both my brothers were in trouble….one was in NYC another flying to there today…My dad woke up my brother and he walked down there before the 2nd building collapsed and we could not reach him….
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[13:36] <Young_Grasshopper> there fine though
[13:36] <jane86z> 65 flors – he won’t be able to walk – his muscles will cramp bad soon
[13:36] <dumper> how many floors in WTC ?
[13:36] <StephenB> timing of the events that had to go into this was a fictionally a classic textbook, from the breakdown of airport security, to the training of the subsitute pilots…all fast enough to do damage before the DoD has time to put protections in place  *Still in shock here*
[13:36] <tck> that gives me so much hope to see a survivor
[13:36] <lola> 6 months ago I flew orlando- minneapolis, at the curb i parked, checked in sent an overside pakage, and they never asked for ID, i then drove away to park
[13:36] <Young_Grasshopper> Dude, I would be like Carl Louis…no faster…
[13:36] <bobby44> 110 floors i believe
[13:37] <WILLatl> 1 now
[13:37] <xstanx> going down 65 floors is much easier then going up
[13:37] <deac> schwarzkopf nbc ch 4
[13:37] <oleole> aint easy going down neither…
[13:37] <rac1> take 5 or 10 minutes, if you were running
[13:37] <Young_Grasshopper> it is a big stump now…My brother called me when he crossed the tape…
[13:37] <sail> usually get a pile up at exits
[13:37] <Yogi_afk>  1:36pm 09/11/01   WASHINGTON DC MAYOR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY
[13:37] <Yogi_afk>
[13:37] <Yogi_afk>  1:37pm 09/11/01   SEATTLE’S SPACE NEEDLE CLOSED
[13:37] <StephenB> can do a lot of jumping and flying by slinging around corners with railings…if other people don’t get in your way and you don’t get dizzy
[13:37] <jane86z> have you ever RUN  down more  than 20 flights –
[13:38] <StephenB> about 15 stories for me…get dizzy fast
[13:38] <tck> jane they prolly never even felt the steps adranal were on Max
[13:38] <meebbie> this is no a joke… but if i ever have to work in a skyscraper i am going pack a parachute…. i am serious
[13:38] <tck> adrenals
[13:39] <lightplay> HOLY ……..
[13:39] <lightplay> I just woke up
[13:39] <patman> poor firemen just walking around nothing they can do
[13:39] <gyzmo> they’re talking about WW3 on belgium TV ???!!!! help
[13:39] <Hoover> good morning lightlplay
[13:39] <lightplay> I can’t believe this
[13:39] <StephenB> go back to bed and maybe when you wake up you’ll end this nightmare for all of us
[13:39] <PT1> it must take at least 1 hr to go down 64 flights, the guy said it took about 2 min per floor
[13:39] <xstanx> yep pretty sad
[13:39] <lightplay> brought up Qcharts and no charts
[13:39] <meebbie> gyzmo which station
[13:40] <lightplay> checked internet and couldn’t believe my eyes
[13:40] <Yogi_afk> 1:39pm 09/11/01   DOW – US FORCES IN EUROPE ON HIGHEST ALERT
[13:40] <gyzmo> national
[13:40] <Comp1> smart man meebie
[13:40] <WallStArb>   By Robb M. Stewart and Michael Wang  Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
[13:40] <WallStArb>  LONDON (Dow Jones)As the world reels under what appears to be the worst concentrated terrorist attack in history, equity strategists say it’s too early to quantify the impact the destruction in the U.S. will have on investments.
[13:40] <WallStArb>  But already a kneejerk approach to stockpicking has emerged in Europe, with the defensive nature of some sectors appealing to investors while other sectors, sure to be hit financially, are being shunned.
[13:40] <WallStArb>  “What we are looking at is something out of a war zone,” said NatWest Stockbrokers’ Jeremy Batstone. “The impact for the market is catastrophic and will take a long time to recover from.”
[13:40] <WallStArb>  “Perversely, some investors will see this as a buying opportunity, but any rally could be a shortterm thing.”
[13:40] <WallStArb>  Sectorbysector investing, said market analysts, would in the near term depend on the U.S. response to the series of attacks. But already, European oil stocks have been bid higher as oil prices soar.
[13:40] <WallStArb>  Peter Lynch, an oil analyst at Merrill Lynch in London, said he expects “there will be hell to pay” from the U.S.
[13:40] <WallStArb>  “The fear is of a complete breakdown in the Middle East,” he said.
[13:40] <WallStArb>  James Neale, an oil analyst at Schroder Salomon Smith Barney, said he expects benchmark Brent crude to bounce into a range between $35 and $40 a barrel and that this is likely to be “sustainable” in the near term as world markets girded for ongoing volatility.
[13:40] <WallStArb>  Spot Brent jumped more than $3.50 a barrel Tuesday to an intraday peak of $31.05, before easing below $30 a barrel.
[13:40] <rac1> i think i will go reread revelations, maybe something useful there..
[13:40] <patman> well you will be more shocked lightplay when you see it all
[13:40] <tHEfED> The World Trade Center Register > http://www.onisland.com/wtc/bizdir/index.html
[13:40] <Scottie> wonder if they wil break 3 day trading rule because of this
[13:41] <patman> scottie that not a tight rule anyway
[13:41] <codeblue> what is the 3 day rule?
[13:41] <Scottie> no  more than3 days off
[13:41] <Scottie> in a row
[13:41] <codeblue> I think it may take til monday
[13:41] <scorpio> they need to open the markets as soon as possible
[13:42] <PT1> Iraq will benefit from the high oil price, as they are allow to sell oil for food
[13:42] <scorpio> stability will be important now
[13:42] <Photon> I agree Scorp
[13:42] <spx> this was in WTC: U S DEFENSE INVESTIGATIVE SVC
[13:42] <spx> 6 WORLD TRADE CTR
[13:42] <papadoc> Read Habbakuk3:16-end
[13:42] <bucko> gonna be days at least before they let anyone into lower manhatten
[13:42] <deac> schwarzkopf said they hate us cause of our perceived isreal support- and i’m sure isreal has less than 1% of land in the muslim world
[13:42] <mbaa> MWD big tenant at wtc
[13:43] <wwjs> our support of israel is priceless
[13:43] <deac> .1 of 1% more like it
[13:43] <Wizski> Norman Swartzkoff said 2400 died at Pearl Harbor.
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[13:43] <meebbie> Belgian National TV… now showing that huge jump in Security at large number of international targets in Brussels….
[13:43] <mflutie > it strikes me that ideas like todays tragedy could come from authors writings.. Tom Clancy’s political thrillers about Jack Ryan have a plane crash into the capitol bld whiping out much of Congress as when as the the Pres. VP & Supreme Court justices,
[13:43] <Hoover> This feels like a Clancy novel
[13:43] <Photon> Israel was built on land the Arabs didn’t want because they couldn’t cultivate it
[13:43] <codeblue> battleships moving out to see to enforce security
[13:43] <Hoover> Sum of all Fears
[13:43] <codeblue> and of course not to be a sitting target
[13:44] <WallStArb> I didnt think the US had anymore battleships
[13:44] <WallStArb> I thought they moth balled the last battle ship
[13:44] <Marginman2> we don’t, they are all mothballed
[13:44] <codeblue> the TV says they do, wally
[13:44] <prttrdr> WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ — The American Muslim Political
[13:44] <prttrdr> Coordination Council (AMPCC)*, today condemned the apparent terrorist attacks
[13:44] <prttrdr> in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those
[13:44] <prttrdr> who were killed or injured.
[13:44] <Sandman> battle type ships
[13:44] <StephenB> maybe they are saying destroyers when they really mean other, newer types of surface ships other than carriers
[13:45] <spx> floor 93 of WTC: RAYTHEON ENGINEERS & CONSTR
[13:45] <spx> 2 WORLD TRADE CTR FL 93
[13:45] <codeblue> what ever – clearly they’re mobilizing
[13:45] <StephenB> battleships, whatever
[13:45] <JayT> interesting..what someone just said…..this was well orchestrated on a interesting date……9/11….911
[13:45] <Sandman> poor choice of words
[13:45] <Sandman> ships that do battle
[13:45] <Thor> Do we still have those hospital ships…maybe they could be moved in to help with injured
[13:45] <mflutie> this is 21st anniversary of Camp David accords
[13:45] <rac1> whats israel like climatewise, arizona? cant we just give them a nice chunk of it and let the arabs have the whole damn place?
[13:45] <Yogi_afk> 1:45pm 09/11/01   MEMBERS OF U.S. CONGRESS MOVED TO UNDISCLOSED LOCATION
[13:46] <WallStArb> When the right-wing Likud party won the elections in Israel in 1977, the United States feared that even these peace negotiations would grind to a halt. To the world’s shock, on September 10, 1977, Anwar Sadat, president of Egypt, announced his willingness to visit Israel. It was the first time an Arab leader had shown readiness to recognize Israel.
[13:46] <WallStArb> Muhammad Anwar al-Sadat, President of the Arab Republic of Egypt, and Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel, met with Jimmy Carter, President of the United States of America, at Camp David from September 5 to September 17, 1978, and have agreed on the following framework for peace in the Middle East. They invite other parties to the Arab-Israel conflict to adhere to it.
[13:46] <Yogi_afk> Bush has left Barksdale
[13:46] <codeblue> the 911 connection seems far-fetched, though it would make the day easy to remember for operatives, I suppose (still having trouble believing that anyone who has the wherewithall to learn to fly a jet liner would fly a suicide mission)
[13:46] <StephenB> rac, whole part of that world is overfarmed/overgrazed…used to be the breadbasket of the world…some are reclaiming it, but it is something of a mess still
[13:46] <Gr8-1> September 11, 2001 13:43
[13:46] <Gr8-1> U.S. Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks
[13:46] <Gr8-1> Jump to first matched term
[13:46] <Gr8-1> WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ — The American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC)*, today condemned the apparent terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who
[13:46] <deac> Revelation says whole world will be united against israel so usa will have to switch over against them
[13:47] <MR_GoAn> well code I saw soethign somewhere they were saying that it doesnt take alot to fly those large jets
[13:47] <Wizski> codeblue, you don’t have to do much but bank it and keep it level.
[13:47] <MR_GoAn> so much is automated that you only need a medium level knowledge to be abble tot ake off and fly it into a building
[13:47] <rac1> ridiculous idea of course, just thinking isnt there someway to buy ourselves out of this mess..
[13:47] <deac> that little plot of land about size of connecticut is also running out of fresh water-isreal
[13:48] <StephenB> flying it is easy, finding your target might be a bit harder, thought with daylight and good weather, it’s easier for sure
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[13:48] <MR_GoAn> yes
[13:48] <PimpDiddy> 757 and 767 very common in arabic countries
[13:48] <Gr8-1> %PGAP %ALERT P%CBSA amex nyse nasdaq reuters P%SMR…
[13:48] <MR_GoAn> they are very common world over hehee
[13:48] <Gr8-1> Printer version
[13:48] <Gr8-1> September 11, 2001 13:42
[13:48] <Gr8-1> UPDATE 1-World Trade Center crash to cost insurers billions
[13:48] <Gr8-1> Jump to first matched term
[13:48] <Gr8-1> (Releads, adds quotes from insurers)
[13:48] <Gr8-1> NEW YORK, Sept 11 (Reuters) – The damage caused by two airplanes crashing into New York’s World Trade Center will cost insurers worldwide billions of dollars, in what may be the most expensive man-made insured event ever.
[13:48] <Gr8-1> “It is safe to assume claims will be in the billions,” said Robert Hartwig, chief economist
[13:48] <codeblue> old news, but havent heard a follow-up: Sept. 11 (UPI) — Cleveland Mayor Michael White said Tuesday a
[13:48] <codeblue> hijacked plane with 200 people aboard and loaded with explosives is
[13:48] <codeblue> on the ground at Cleveland Hopkins Airport. No other details were
[13:48] <codeblue> immediately available.
[13:49] <Scorp^> knowledge needed to fly one of those into a building accurately can be learned in about 1 month by anyone in this room
[13:49] <WallStArb1> *DJ Frankfurt Police Say Boerse Bomb Scare Phoned In 1700GMT
[13:49] <WallStArb1> +DJ New Deutsche Boerse Building Being Evacuated
[13:49] <WallStArb1> *DJ Deutsche Boerse Says Evacuation Due To Bomb Scare
[13:49] <mflutie> with the money a terrorist organization like the probable one here has to throw around, I do not find it hard to believe they could find someone either who knew how to fly or to be trained with the idea of doing a suicide run
[13:49] <Beeks> german market closed anyway isn’t it by now
[13:49] <Pogo> Pittsburg plane, the largest one, was heading for White House, they are saying
[13:49] <Young_Grasshopper> not to be jerk, but did anyone get any good shorts off premarket?
[13:49] <tck> Wallst you are doing a great job supplying info,God bless you
[13:50] * lightplay pinches himself to see if he’s dreaming
[13:50] <Yogibear> :49pm 09/11/01  March & McLennan establishes call center By Tomi Kilgore
[13:50] <Yogibear> Marsh & McLennan Companies (MMC) , which had offices in both towers of the World Trade Center in New York, said it has established an emergency call center at headquarters in midtown Manhattan. The company asked employees that have left the World Trade Center to immediately call the following number: (212) 345-6000.
[13:50] <Albireo>  GERMAN MARKET DAX   4273.53 4788.38 4130.52 0 4670.13 19:16:00  -8.49%
[13:50] <rac1> imo if you could fly a cessna 152 you could steer a jet into a skyscraper
[13:50] <PimpDiddy> so they just said hey we are looking for 8 people who want to commit suicide ?
[13:50] <PT1> good layout of WTC complex at this link: http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/wtccomplex.htm
[13:50] <deac> mexico border open at san diego
[13:50] <MR_GoAn> yes rac thats what Ive heard
[13:50] <gtt> is german market generally more or less volatile than us?
[13:50] <Wizski> you are being a jerk Youn_Grasshopper, pick another time to talk trading.
[13:51] <xstanx> eventually they will find the terrorists guns will be interesting who made them
[13:51] <rac1> they just had to tell the pilots to head to kennedy or wherever, and once the wtc was in site..
[13:51] <Young_Grasshopper> there are plenty over there…the Palestinians teach their children how to kill at an early age…
[13:51] <Scorp^> yes rac1
[13:51] <git> Was Camp David hit?
[13:51] <Photon> no
[13:51] <Cha-ching> It was an American airlines plane that hit pentagon
[13:51] <deac> ftse (england) is market we normally track historically
[13:51] <mflutie> PimpDaddy.. it could be as simple as that.. “we need some religious fundamentalist willing to give their lives up to destroy “the Great Satan”…and they need to know how to fly.
[13:51] *** Young_Grasshopper was kicked by WallStArb (violation of policy… http://www.financialchat.com/About/code.asp)
[13:52] <EricD> camp david appears to be just a rumor of where the pittburg plane was headed
[13:52] <rac1> like people who attached hand grenades to young children, hard to fight that kind of enemy
[13:52] <ResearcherA1> it’s not the Palestenians, Young Grasshopper, killing is said to be justified by Fatwa (edicts) of the Islam leaders..
[13:52] <Scorp^> at my airport alone, we give that knowledge to at least 20 students every month – 80% are of arab descent
[13:52] <mflutie> there are SO many acts of massive violence that no matter WHAT security we have we could not protect against
[13:52] <deac> white house or capital target has more weight on pitts plane
[13:52] <rac1> wow
[13:53] <bobby44> any confirm on rumor Pit plane was shot down ?
[13:53] <rac1> security related industries have to play off this for a while imo, sadly
[13:53] <WILLatl> not yet
[13:53] <sail> DJ 13:53 =UPDATE: Attacks Spook World Stock, Forex Mkts; Dlr Drops
[13:53] <mflutie > I keep hearing on TV “this was an act of war” and “we need to do what we have to do right away”.. WHO do we declare war against…this was not a country that attacted us..
[13:53] <Beeks> drop in the CAC in France is the largetst in history
[13:54] <PimpDiddy> the country hiding bin laden is responsible too
[13:54] <WILLatl> yes
[13:54] <PimpDiddy> they need to take that arrogant smirk of bin laudens face
[13:54] <lx2> Security Onboard Royal Caribbean International and Celebrity Cruises Ships
[13:54] <lx2> MIAMI, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ — The safety and security of all guests and employees onboard Royal Caribbean International and Celebrity Cruises ships are the top priorities of Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. In light of today’s event in New York and elsewhere, Royal Caribbean and Celebrity have increased the security onboard all of their ships to the highest level.
[13:54] <Cha-ching> the countries that harbor terrorists are the enemy targets
[13:54] <xstanx> Afganistan was trying to distance themselves his am from bin ladan
[13:54] <PimpDiddy> yeah they better find him
[13:54] <Yogibear> We just launched the most sophisticated NRO sattelite a few days ago
[13:54] <xstanx> his = this
[13:55] <ResearcherA1> We will have to become accustomed to the fact that our western values, placing life as of supreme value, are simply not accepted by other socities, cultures, or religions. To my understanding, Jihad, Holy War, is justified by Quoran, even if against civilians.
[13:55] <PimpDiddy> AFghanistan the country hiding bin laden is responsible too
[13:55] <DChristie> the 1st plane was so suspicious .. after that chaos broke loose
[13:55] <dirty_harry> any country harboring known terrorists should be nuked
[13:55] <PimpDiddy> agree
[13:55] <steevyd> To all americans from a shocked German: All German people are deeply distressed to hear from these horrifying terrorist attacks!
[13:55] <WILLatl> no nuke
[13:55] <bucko> thats silly
[13:56] <WILLatl> air fuel weapons
[13:56] <Yogibear> 1:53pm 09/11/01   BPA EVACUATES MOST PERSONNEL FROM FEDERAL FACILITIES
[13:56] <prttrdr> danke schoen
[13:56] <WallStArb> This was a major operation
[13:56] <lumpy> Does any know what happened to the planes in Europe and if they’ve been identified yet? tia
[13:56] <WallStArb> 7 planes hijacked
[13:56] <davidb2b> Sure feel sorry for the children who lost a mom or dad, these acts deserve payback
[13:56] <sail> DJ 13:56 DJ U.S.\Canada Border Being Reopened-2: Traffic Remains Slow
[13:56] <EricD> 7?
[13:56] <deac> major operation that hit the targets so perfectly
[13:56] <WallStArb> 4 buildings destroyed
[13:56] <Suzanne> guys, just a note, thanks to ALL of you for your contributions today on news posts, this channel and network proves yet again 700 sets of eyes is better than one
[13:56] <incog> there were daycare centers in the towers
[13:56] <WallStArb> Trillions in market capitalization destroyed
[13:56] <rac1> this stuff will always happen from time to time as long as their is conflict in the world.. we must take steps to protect ourselves and thats all we can do
[13:56] <WallStArb> this did more damage to the US then all of WW II
[13:57] <StephenB> and BOS to LAX flight would have left it’s high altitude pretty early to crash in NY….what did air traffic control do when they saw the altitude go down?  Or did the pilot switch off the transponders?  SO many question
[13:57] <locust> amazing logistics and execution  unbelievable
[13:57] <davidb2b> incog- sure hope u r wrong
[13:57] <Matt> Does anyone think that Canada will do anything about their allowing terrorists to take up residence within their  borders?
[13:57] <incog> saw it on this link http://www.onisland.com/wtc/bizdir/index.html
[13:57] <bubbles> stephenb – transponders were still on from what CNN showed on their animiation
[13:57] <locust> air traffic control can only talk they cant do anything
[13:57] <WallStArb> What amazing is that a few terrists can kill more US civilians then all the Japanese and German attacks on the US during World War 2
[13:57] <gtt> deathtoll from this could approach order of magnitude of vietnam
[13:58] <deac> right both boston planes bound for l.a. had no reason to go over nyc airspace
[13:58] <Yogibear> that 4th plane might’ve been targeting pittsburg
[13:58] <locust> attacked a concentrated civilian target
[13:58] <bubbles> the pilot did not enter the transponder code indicating a hijacking
[13:58] <locust> not a military target
[13:58] <Scorp^> pilot was probably shot in the head within seconds
[13:58] <sail> how many did we lose in WWII, i thought it was a lot more
[13:58] <WallStArb> US Civilians?
[13:58] <rac1> we will probably find out that air traffic knew of some problem but they could not have known of ultimate intention
[13:58] <StephenB> any pilot here know about NYC airspace, does Boston Center in Nashua, NH control it, or has such a flight been handed off by then?
[13:58] <locust> sail 1/4 million i think
[13:58] <sail> oh
[13:59] <ResearcherA1> flights over London banned
[13:59] <AV_OUT> biggest civilian loss of live in US history isn’t it?
[13:59] <deac> tony blair- we won’t rest til this evil is driven from the world
[13:59] <locust> attacks  on US beyond pearl probably nil
[13:59] <WallStArb> Besides Pearl Harbor the only attacks that made the US shores were FIRE BALLOONS sent by the Japanese that killed 4 people in the Northwest
[13:59] <petral> those landed here
[13:59] <davidb2b> Is it true that one plane was shot down by military US jets?
[13:59] <bubbles> I thought I heard that the flight requested diversion to JFK
[14:00] <petral> 2 miles from me
[14:00] <mflutie> a reported a person on Pittsbugh Flight 93 was on a cell phone from the bathroom saying “we’re being hijacked”
[14:00] <StephenB> thanks bubbles
[14:00] <petral> started a little fire on mt emily
[14:00] <WallStArb> Here’s an email from a friend on Wall Street
[14:00] <WallStArb> I just got it
[14:00] <ResearcherA1> seems that this was a complete and utter surprise to the intelligence organizations. surprising.
[14:00] <WallStArb> Here is an update for everyone:
[14:00] <WallStArb> I had 2 friends in or near the World Trade Center when the attacks took place.  One of them was actually in Tower 1 when the 1st plane hit.  They immediately began evacuating both towers.  The second plane hit the building he was in while he was in the stairway being evacuated.  He made it out ok before the collapse and got to a safe distance.  He was on th 61st floor at the time.  So, there is a good chance that people we know may have made it
[14:00] <Scorp^> StephenB, NYC has their own center
[14:00] <petral> the jap who dropped those bombs donated his sword to the cop shop
[14:00] <WallStArb> The other news is more unfortunate.  Many people stayed and watched the fire burn after the 1st plane hit.  When the second hit, alot of rubble tumbled down onto the street.  My other friend hid behind the pillars of the Deutsche Bank building when this happened and was ok.  He left the area afterward, but said that alot of people were still standing there watching. Unfortunately, many may have still been there when the towers collapsed.
[14:00] <WallStArb> I will be creating a website for people to post updates on conditions and locations of people affected.  It will be at www.worldtradeaftermath.com and should be online tomorrow.  I may end up all night working on it.  For now, I have some pictures and info on people I know being ok on my personal
[14:00] <WallStArb> homepage: http://johnhaller.com/jh/terrorist/
[14:00] <StephenB> thanks, I thought so
[14:00] <Suzanne> how tragic WallStArb
[14:01] <mflutie> strictly in my mind…is it possible to plane near Pittsburg & the one near Camp David were shot down by military but because there were civilians on them, it was not announced?
[14:01] <PimpDiddy> sorry but i will NEVER EVER trust any type of religious zelaot again
[14:01] <Gr8-1> mflutie i agree….from pittsburgh
[14:01] <Thor> petral…knock it off
[14:02] <PimpDiddy> and will take all threats seriously
[14:02] <mflutie> channel 2 is showing people in Palastein clapping & cheering in the streets
[14:02] <PimpDiddy> very sick
[14:02] <Suzanne> theres Robbin 🙂
[14:03] <Robbin> :/
[14:03] <Hood> 🙂
[14:03] <PimpDiddy> Palestine NO OIL, DIAMONDS, nothing of value to keep from being bombed
[14:03] <Sandman> Wally – nice thing to do–good job
[14:03] <tami> excellent work wally
[14:04] <WallStArb> thats an email I got
[14:04] <ghostship> CLEVELAND, Sep 11, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) — Police boarded a Delta Airlines plane feared to be carrying a bomb Tuesday but found nothing aboard and gave the all clear at Cleveland Hopkins Airport. The plane had been on the same flight path as one of the aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center and airline officials wanted the plane grounded just in case.
[14:04] <tck> Wally thank you
[14:05] <tami> critical need for blood in NY and Washington DC
[14:05] <patman> how can you hijack that many planes?? i am in shock
[14:05] <detexb> glad to hear the cleveland news. i have a daughter lives about a mile away.
[14:05] <rac1> theoretically there is no limit
[14:06] <detexb> other family in cleveland area
[14:06] <StephenB> several entertainment cable channels have suspended programing out of respect
[14:06] <Robbin>  I work for MWD in Manhattan in Rochester now I have NO idea how many friends or co-workers I’ve lost…be kind people & say a prayer
[14:06] <incog> will do robbin sorry 🙁
[14:06] <Matt> done
[14:06] <Sandman> never thought I’d see refugees walking thru NYC…wow
[14:07] <rac1> gal on cnbc prob happy she changed jobs
[14:07] <Grag> I lost my son in ’99…I feel sick for all these poor people
[14:07] <Beeks> not to state the obvious, but our lives are changed dramatically forever
[14:07] <PimpDiddy> our prayers are with you robbin
[14:07] <threepointroll> .
[14:08] <Treller> Putin supporting tough response. Has spoken with Rice per Yahoo Asia
[14:08] <detexb> i wish they would quit rerunning the footage time after time
[14:08] <patman> yes robbin breathe deep and hang in there so sorry
[14:08] <locust> noticed on a message board that today is the anniversary of the camp david peace accord   not sure if true or not
[14:08] <Robbin> thank you..pray for them & their families
[14:08] <Comp1> Grag I’ve lost too much in Life also.  These kind of acts are unforgiveable
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[14:08] <springs> my condolences to u, grag
[14:08] <git> Grag..sorry to hear
[14:08] <dumper> Datek website now sayes Sorry we are closed ! never see that
[14:09] <rac1> perhaps something good could come from this in the end
[14:09] <detexb> Robbin, glad to see you are ok
[14:09] <larr22> signing of the Camp David Accords on September 17th, 1978….
[14:09] <ResearcherA1>                     ‘
[14:09] <springs> and to robbin, too.
[14:09] <Grag> thanks guys…I know how these people feel ;(
[14:09] <Dionysus-> What’s sad is that terrorism is accepted policy in some middle eastern nations.
[14:09] <Robbin> keep picturing the 63rd floor I was on all of Jan and the people there
[14:09] <likethis> I noticed in the roster of the WTC that there were no arab companies
[14:10] <wwjs> COMP1…must be forgiveable – unforgiveness will kill you inside out
[14:10] <lightplay> there were no bombs, right? just plains?
[14:10] <lightplay> planes
[14:10] <lx2> 2:09pm 09/11/01   [UAL] UNITED 175 LOST RADAR CONTACT BETWEEN NEWARK AND PHILLY
[14:10] <Yogibear> right
[14:10] <lightplay> un believable
[14:10] <ghostship> jets filled with that much fuel are bombs
[14:10] <lightplay> no bombs and more deaths than Pearl Harbor
[14:10] <PT1> Smith Barney was on the 100th floor on WTC2, hope they got out in time
[14:11] <Pogo> wow, CNN footage
[14:11] <tck> lx2 is that right now?
[14:11] <WallStArb>  LONDON (Dow Jones)Cantor Fitzgerald International, a unit of U.S.based Cantor Fitzgerald LP, and eSpeed International, a unit of eSpeed Inc. (ESPD), said Tuesday that they are “unable to determine how many employees” were at their world headquarters at One World Trade Center in New York City at the time of the terrorist attack.
[14:11] <WallStArb>  In a statement, the companies said they had operations on the 101, 103, 104 and 105 floors, with a combined staff of about 1000.
[14:11] <WallStArb>  The companies said they are “doing everything possible to assess the situation” but have been unable to confirm if they were safely evacuated.
[14:11] <WallStArb>  “All of our thoughts and prayers are with our NY colleagues and their families and friends at this time,” said Howard W. Lutnick, chairman of both companies. “In a very difficult and confused situation we are doing all that we can to determine more about the situations of colleagues.”
[14:11] <Yogibear> very heavy plane, full of fuel
[14:11] <Suzanne> <cYbird> 2:07 Fed’s banks all open and operating
[14:11] <wwjs> there is no worse prison to be in than that built by the words or ACTIONS of others…no matter how evil their origin
[14:11] <tck> lx2 is that presently happenning pls answer thnx
[14:12] <Comp1> wwjs true
[14:12] <Scorp^> doubt it tck
[14:12] <Fester> Things are very busy here in Canada, Asian planes that departed before the insident (bound for US) are now starting to arrive in Vancouver
[14:13] <WallStArb> http://www.247news.net/2001/20010911-towers.shtml
[14:13] <prttrdr> interesting point  all the planes used as weapons  were domestic flights
[14:13] <Yojimbo> CNET has a register for the tower, one entry says ‘8351  Child Daycare Services’ don’t know it that means 83rd floor.
[14:13] <WILLatl> flights from overseas would be empty of fuel
[14:14] <StephenB> all the technology in the world installed at airline gates isn’t worth much when you have unmotiviated, low paid staff alledgedly watching the screens
[14:14] <Pogo> no domestic planes in the air now. none
[14:14] <WallStArb> I find it hard to believe that Cantor had 1000 people on 4 floors
[14:14] <WallStArb> but they are saying only 10,000 each tower
[14:14] <JTTrade1> Bovespa crashing
[14:14] <WallStArb> seems to me there are 27 x 1000  by Cantors #’s
[14:14] <WallStArb> or 27,000 people per tower
[14:15] <Iveagh> here in Ireland all our thoughts and our prayers are for the poor families effected by these horrible bombings
[14:15] <Appraiser> Can’t get my nick? tried recover, said I recovered it, Still sys in use. When I type in /whois it says enforcer@financialchat.com * Services Enforcement ????
[14:15] <Yogibear> There were child care centers in those buildings
[14:15] <Suzanne> Appraiser, msg me
[14:17] <AV_OUT> t
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[14:17] <davidb2b> Yogi- i hope u r wrong..how terrible
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[14:18] <Yogibear> I hope they got out
[14:18] <StephenB> unfortunately, he’s right
[14:18] <lauf> my brother worked there
[14:18] <Gr8-1> Now thats scarey….. http://www.247news.net/2001/20010911-towers.shtml
[14:18] <StephenB> most large buildings have childcare on site
[14:18] <lauf> he was lucky, he got out
[14:18] <patman> good lauf
[14:18] <Yogibear> those buildings were like cities themselves
[14:18] <StephenB> as an educator, I’ve visited several
[14:18] <lauf> he was so lucky he got a cab anf took it to 44th st
[14:19] <patman> i am happy for you
[14:19] <patman> and him
[14:19] <lauf> thanks
[14:19] <davidb2b> Wow, no planes in the air..thats a first
[14:20] <StephenB> MA rep calling for a joint session of Congress just like after Pearl Harbor, either tomorrow or in the next 2 days
[14:20] <rac1> this will prob shave a few tenths of gdp
[14:21] <lightplay> so much for “starwars”
[14:21] <lx2> any info on when markets will re-open? Europe to open as normal in the am…
[14:21] <lightplay> our enemies don’t need missiles
[14:21] <StephenB> yeah, no planes over head here, really quiet.  I like no noise, but this is a sick reason for it
[14:21] <prttrdr>  We are in the midst of a national nightmare of unimaginable proportions.
[14:21] <prttrdr> What is unfolding is horrible and almost too painful to watch.
[14:21] <prttrdr>     Arab Americans, like all Americans, are transfixed by this tragedy.  We
[14:21] <prttrdr> have family and friends who worked in the World Trade Center and for the
[14:21] <prttrdr> Federal Government.  We mourn for those who lost their lives and those who
[14:21] <prttrdr> were injured.  We mourn, as well, for our country in this time of national
[14:21] <prttrdr> trauma.
[14:21] <mikew> QQQ probably open under 30 when it opens
[14:22] <prttrdr> the Brits are our good friends
[14:22] <WallStArb> Will we set up internment camps for Arbs americans like we did to the Japanese americans after Pearl Harbor?
[14:22] <lauf> is Island open?
[14:22] <prttrdr> Tony Blair nice and strong
[14:22] <lauf> cant get on the web site
[14:22] <likethis> I was worried about biological warfare as the next atrocity on the agenda, but that would entail killing their own aarab americans.
[14:22] <bobby44> hope not wally
[14:22] <patman> i doubt it lauf
[14:22] <sail> if 2 planes can do this imagine what 2 nukes could do? it’s silly to say that because this was caused by planes that we don’t need to protect from nukes
[14:22] <StephenB> gosh I hope not…who knows what Congress would do…first, however, we need a defined enemy and we don’t have one yet
[14:22] <WallStArb> AKAMAI<AKAM.O> SAYS C0-FOUNDER, CTO DANIEL LEWIN KILLED IN WTC
[14:22] <bobby44> BTW – it didnt get much press here  . .
[14:22] <ResearcherA1> like this… no need to spread panic
[14:22] <stockboy_>  u think they care likethis….
[14:23] <wwjs> WallSt.
[14:23] <bobby44> but some years ago a plot to hijack planes overseas headed for the US from asia was busted up overseas before it happened
[14:23] <mflutie> I was speaking to a client a few minutes ago who is from Turkey. He is worried that Americans will retailiate at ANY foreigners who have an accent of Middle Eastern origin no matter where they are from.. he is going to keep his children out of school at LEAST the rest of the week
[14:23] <mikew> I think not allowing arabs to ever board commercial airplanes is reasonable
[14:23] <bobby44> i believe binladen was responsible
[14:23] <lauf> AKAM ceo dead?
[14:23] <likethis> I was in Germany during the olympics back in the ’70s cant remember which game. The one where the Israeli athletes were killed. I saw the gestapo at work. Every arab was removed by the police. doctors, professors, children, all dragged to airports and sent out of country
[14:23] <Suzanne> CTO lauf
[14:24] <sail> BW 14:23 Akamai Technologies Mourns the Loss of Co-Founder and CTO Daniel Lewin [AKAM]
[14:24] <bobby44> they were going to blow them up over the ocean i believe
[14:24] <sail> was he in wtc?
[14:24] <Suzanne> yes, read ^ there
[14:24] <StephenB> Air Force one on the move again and they ain’t talking as to where
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[14:24] <dabb> AKAM guy was on one of the planes
[14:24] <Yogibear> CNN says Bush on way to Washington
[14:24] <davidb2b> A special thanks to all who posted news, this chat room is better than the news organizations
[14:25] <lx2> agree
[14:25] <WallStArb> CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Sep 11, 2001 (BUSINESS WIRE)  With great sadness, Akamai Technologies, Inc. (Nasdaq:AKAM) today announced the passing of Daniel C. Lewin, cofounder, chief technology officer and board member of the Company. American Airlines confirmed that he was on board the Boston to Los Angeles flight that crashed in New York City today. Danny was 31 years old and is survived by his wife and two sons.
[14:25] <Suzanne> thanks davidb2b
[14:25] <Suzanne> lx2
[14:25] <Doc_Holiday> I feel this way about it. World trade means world peace and consequently the World Trade Center buildings in New York … had a bigger purpose than just to provide room for tenants. The World Trade Center is a living symbol of man’s dedication to world peace … beyond the compelling need to make this a monument to world peace, the World Trade Center should, because of its importance, become a representation of man’s belief in hu
[14:25] <Doc_Holiday> – Minoru Yamasaki, chief architect of the World Trade Center
[14:25] <lx2> thanks to #activetrader, we could post news first in Norway!
[14:26] <StephenB> hi Doc
[14:26] <likethis> I’m in Miami . hear steady squadron of fighter jets from Homestead airforce base flyng over Miami wonder where they are going?
[14:26] <Doc_Holiday> Hi StepenB
[14:26] <mikew> there is already a run on the grocery stores here
[14:26] <Suzanne> they are in the air likethis?
[14:26] <sail> He was on the plane?
[14:26] <likethis> hear the droning of the engines
[14:26] <mflutie> on the news earlier, reporters were talking about the stock markets & one mentions “oh, this wouldn’t interfere with NAs, because all the electronics is in (and names the town in Connecticut)>> I’m thinking  “why not just announce map directions!
[14:26] <deac> arafat condemns attack stmt:
[14:26] <deac> http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/11/LatestNews/LatestNews.34609.html
[14:27] <phi1618> lol..arafat.. Jesus (why don´t someone just shoot the guy?)
[14:27] <Yogibear> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7B4B3B3C1B%2DE10A%2D4C4E%2DB09C%2D20A7E4DDE226%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=2&doctype=2007&property=&value=&categories=&
[14:27] <stockpimp> Would u expect Arafat to say anythng else ?
[14:28] <rac1> cnbc guy suggesting no trading this week
[14:28] <FiNnZ> arafat is a liar
[14:28] <FiNnZ> we all know how he feels
[14:28] <mikew> how can there be trading when so many mm firms no longer exist?
[14:28] <phi1618> he must be saying.. “ho sorry”.. and go to bathroom and laugh… i hate politics
[14:29] <WallStArb> NEW YORK (AP)Internet traffic slowed and major news Web sites were jammed Tuesday as people searching for details on the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks went online.
[14:29] <WallStArb>  The smashed twin Trade towers, which symbolized New York’s financial prowess, also housed equipment and antennas that transmitted millions of telephone calls each day.
[14:29] <WallStArb>  The damage and an unprecedented volume of calls overwhelmed an already strained telecommunications system, cutting off much of the city’s telephone system.
[14:29] <WallStArb>  On the Internet, the search engine Google directed news seekers to radio and television. “Many online news services aren’t available, because of extremely high demand,” a statement read on the popular site’s home page.
[14:29] <WallStArb>  America Online’s (AOL) Instant Messenger service in New York was sporadic. AOL’s dialup connections were constantly busy, but the service was reachable through longdistance calls to Chicago.
[14:29] <WallStArb>  MSNBC.com (MSFT), the most popular news site on the Web, was operating without problems. Technicians removed graphics from the site to allow users to access the news faster, said spokesman Ben Billingsley.
[14:29] <WallStArb>  Keynote Systems Inc. (KEYN), which measures Internet performance, said it didn’t find any widespread problems with the Internet’s main trunk lines.
[14:29] <Suzanne> NEW YORK (Reuters) – Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. (NYSE:MWD – news), the largest tenant in the New York’s destroyed World Trade Center complex, declined immediate comment on the status of its employees on Tuesday, but said it has established a hotline for personnel and their families.
[14:29] <Suzanne> The New York-based brokerage, which leases space on about 50 floors of the twin towers destroyed on Tuesday after two planes collided with the buildings, said in a release that concerned employees and their families could call (888) 883-4391 to speak to a company representative.
[14:30] <WallStArb> DOesnt take huge amaounts of money to do this
[14:30] <WallStArb> a few plane tikets and guns
[14:30] <lx2> 2:27pm 09/11/01   FED WILL HAVE TO CUT INTEREST RATES AGGRESSIVELY: SOHN
[14:30] <lx2>  2:26pm 09/11/01   BOMBINGS CREATE CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE: SOHN
[14:30] <lx2>  2:24pm 09/11/01   ALL NATIONAL AIRLINES AIRCRAFT SAFELY ACCOUNTED FOR
[14:30] <lx2>  2:25pm 09/11/01   GLOBAL RECESSION NOW LIKELY: WELLS FARGO’S SOHN
[14:30] <lx2>  2:25pm 09/11/01   FEMA HAS ACTIVATED OPERATIONS CENTER, WORKING WITH FBI
[14:30] <lx2>  2:23pm 09/11/01   GREYHOUND CEASES SCHEDULED OPERATIONS IN NORTHEAST
[14:30] <lx2>  2:22pm 09/11/01   FBI WEB SITE INOPERABLE
[14:30] <lauf> thats my bro, he works for MWD
[14:31] <prttrdr> of all the weapons imagined  would would have thought passenger planes themselves    most thought of the planes as targets not the weapons
[14:31] <too> http://www.globes.co.il/serveEN/globes/docView.asp?did=521593&fid=942
[14:31] <Albireo> Please
[14:32] <phi1618> they take civilians planes so that airforce find it hard to take them down if they have to
[14:32] <max> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395919.html
[14:32] <Yogibear> there are no bulls or bears today. only people.
[14:32] <max> unbelievable
[14:32] <dieseldave> p://www.globes.co.il/serveEN/globes/docView.asp?d
[14:32] <Graco> This is a huge wake up call. We MUST present an UNITED front at ALL times and in the future never undermine the honor of the OFFICE of elected officials in America.
[14:32] *** lit-lady is now known as LitDeViL
[14:32] * Yogibear 2:31pm 09/11/01 NYSE SETS 6 P.M. EASTERN TRADING CONFERENCE CALL-CNBC
[14:32] <locust> Israwli motto is best   Never Forget
[14:33] <detexb> locust, yes
[14:33] <mflutie> Graco.,. that idea will last about 3 weeks.. then politics back to normal
[14:33] <Photon> What is a trading conference Yogi ?
[14:33] <locust> lots of wallstreet bigwigs probably dead i’d guess
[14:33] <Suzanne> i dont think so mflutie, nothing will ever be the same again
[14:33] <wwjs> our country is at a crossroads – if we will repent from our selfish self seeking desires – humble ourselves and seek the face of Christ – God will hear our prayers and heal our land – grace and peace to all who are grieving in this hour – may God’s love comfort you and your family this hour
[14:33] <patman> yes locust it will get worse when numbers counted
[14:34] <Yogibear> I would say it has to do with the schedule to resume trading
[14:34] *** wwjs was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[14:34] <detexb> god kick
[14:34] <Segman> thanks fed
[14:34] <Photon> Suz… we will prevail… we have proven that time and again
[14:34] <Gipper> Since guns are so easy to detect I imagine the terrorists used other weapons including composits and gases.
[14:34] <StephenB> Major League Baseball all off tonight
[14:34] <rac1> imo religious extremists (of all stripes) bear much responsibility
[14:35] <locust> i figure you load a plane with 10 to 15 males intent on taking the plane over and weapons or not they can achieve it
[14:35] <Photon> Maybe they should arm pilots
[14:35] <sail> DJ 14:35 DJ Akamai Tech Co-Founder Daniel Lewin Dies In Plane Crash [AKAM]
[14:35] <Hatch> CNBC saying RedCross needs blood, I tried drive to three donation centers in Columbus earlier and all were closed
[14:35] <lx2> 2:30pm 09/11/01   FBI HASN’T RECEIVED ANY CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY – CNN
[14:35] <Photon> sounds crazy tho doesn’t it
[14:36] <StephenB> they should….I heard some school teachers in Israel are armmed
[14:36] <bizee> not confirmed, but seeing posts on site, that kmart suspending sales of guns/ammo
[14:36] <lightplay> all flights will need security guards onboard now
[14:36] <rac1> doubt the crew had any idea till last moment.. prob thinking a “typical” hijacking..
[14:36] <lauf> this is so horrible
[14:36] <Hatch> K-Mart had there ammo pulled from shelves this morning, had to go to Galyan’s
[14:37] <Suzanne> Giuliani on
[14:37] <Doc_Holiday> “typical” hijacking?
[14:37] <incog> NY mayor and governor on NBC
[14:37] <Suzanne> abc for sure
[14:37] <mflutie> hope your right Suz.. but Repulicans & Democrats will STILL have fervent disagreements on subjects and I don’t see those disagreements being eliminated due to a National problem, even of this magnitude. Did political opposition go away during WWII? Unfortunately not. People have sort term memories. Given some time, issues  that were important to fight over before 8:45 this morning will still be there…….and I hope I’m wrong.
[14:37] <StephenB> thinking about a comment about kmart, but it might be kickable so I won’t
[14:37] <locust> we should arm ourselves as the israelis arm themselves   the police cant protect everyone
[14:37] <incog> being able to disagree makes us free
[14:38] <ResearcherA1> how ironic that ‘security checks’ at four different boarding points didn’t detect anything. so much for ‘security checks’, alas
[14:38] <Dion-> Perhaps this will accelerate the NYSE’s migration to NASDAQ
[14:38] <Photon> Repubs and Dems will rally together in this… that always happens in a true national threat
[14:38] <rac1> Doc, hostage situation, take this plane to cuba etc as opposed to flying into a skyscraper… pilots gonna be real paranoid now
[14:38] <StephenB> I think locust’s last comment has merit…load a plane with thugs and they can do the job with their bare hands
[14:38] <lightplay> ResearcherA1, security can’t detect the intentions of it’s passengers
[14:38] <Yogibear> as always everyone will support the government and the president
[14:39] <rac1> need a thought scanner at airports..
[14:39] <PimpDiddy> oh my god look at this post someone whould turn this guy in
[14:39] <PimpDiddy> oh my god look at this post
[14:39] <PimpDiddy> tomydaniel (1:36:59 PM): the date and time
[14:39] <Beeks> carry on luggage likely to be eliminated forever imho
[14:39] <PimpDiddy> http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1601028399&tid=vvvv&sid=1601028399&mid=2254
[14:39] <ResearcherA1> lightplay, agree, but travel to the middle east, and compare what security checks can be like, compared to ours here
[14:39] <prttrdr> it seems like only a little bit of time ago that mark haines  said “there is a smoke event at the wtc”
[14:39] <PimpDiddy> im tomydaniel
[14:39] <steevyd> German Bundeskanzler Schroeder just declared the German’s solidarity with the United States of America ..  and so do I!
[14:39] <PimpDiddy> and someone sent me this link
[14:40] <PimpDiddy> http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1601028399&tid=vvvv&sid=1601028399&mid=2254
[14:41] <davidb2b> NY firefighters don’t fear  anything ….it seems
[14:41] <PimpDiddy> hello anyone know how to turn this guy in
[14:41] <lauf> So far world response has been on the side of the US
[14:41] <bizee> maybe fbi site?
[14:41] <codeblue> Pimpdaddy – Yahoo! has an Abuse link, click on that
[14:41] <PimpDiddy> but they want your email
[14:42] <PimpDiddy> and im scared
[14:42] <codeblue> hmmm … good point
[14:42] <Photon> so what… it’s only YHOO
[14:42] <sail> MS 14:40 Market Pulse: Market Pulse: NYSE sets briefing for 6 P.M. ET
[14:42] <fisher01> read someone has already turned it in to the fbi
[14:42] <PimpDiddy> ok thanks guys
[14:42] <Beeks> http://www.psbc.org/community/programs/_frm/frm_appointment.htm – in Seattle area to donate blood
[14:43] <leaf> SFO says 20 minutes ago a Thai Airways plane was escorted in to land by military planes–originally bound for LA
[14:43] <mflutie> PimpDiddy.. that post…
[14:44] <lightplay> where is “new providance”?
[14:44] <PimpDiddy> yes
[14:44] <PimpDiddy> and someone sent me this link
[14:44] <PimpDiddy> i ahve no idea
[14:44] <prttrdr> i think there is a New Providence
[14:44] <codeblue> anon remailer, just looked it on google – might be others: http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html
[14:44] <PimpDiddy> its scary though
[14:44] <Graco> We, as a nation must be fully engaged with the world. Now is not the time for isolationism. That will prevent the more future attacks, by fully knowing who are our true friends, and who are our true enemies. who
[14:45] <DChristie> pdiddy .. that’s weird
[14:45] <PimpDiddy> yeah i want to turn him in
[14:46] <lauf> this is like Perl Harbour
[14:46] <codeblue> this is worse
[14:46] <KILLA> its worse
[14:46] <lauf> your right worse
[14:46] <codeblue> we don’t know the enemy
[14:46] <mflutie> except that Pearl Harbor was directed at military
[14:46] <lauf> im so mad
[14:46] <spuuki> this was an attack against civilians
[14:46] <codeblue> some historians say we saw PH coming …
[14:46] <lauf> PH?
[14:46] <spuuki> pearl harbor
[14:46] <mflutie> …and the Japanese informed us of breaking relations…tho the message was delivered late
[14:46] <Suzanne> im very anxious to see what Bush has to say, ANY idea when we will get info from that end of things?
[14:46] <lauf> oh
[14:46] <Treller> Just checked Bloomberg. Brazil Bovespa off nearly 10%. Hopefully Asia wont open tonight
[14:46] <bobby44> http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/11/News/News.34586.html
[14:47] <KILLA> 250 people lost in pearl harbour
[14:47] <Graco> Peart Harbor was an attack of a military base, this was an attack of one the highest populated city in the world.
[14:47] <KILLA> 2500
[14:47] <Beeks> most blue chips in france down 10 to 15% amazing
[14:47] <bobby44> It is unclear who is responsible for today’s apparent terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York, but it is unlikely that Palestinian groups are involved, said an expert on international terrorism
[14:47] <leaf> SFO says they expect only one more international landing from Northwest Airline
[14:47] <lightplay> New Providence is located in Union County County west of Newark along Highway 512 on the banks of the Passaic River near the Great Swamp National Wildlife Refuge
[14:47] <KILLA> were looking at at least 10x that loss
[14:47] <Cha-ching> If Arafat’s relatives were on any of the planes then maybe we could believe in his sincerity but not until then
[14:47] <mflutie> “expert” huh booby44?
[14:47] <mflutie> sorry bobby
[14:47] <mflutie> bad typing.. wasn’t on purpose
[14:48] <bobby44> its just a comment
[14:48] <steevyd> The Dax closed with minus 8,5 %
[14:48] <bobby44> “They have a lot to lose because America would react very harshly against the Palestinians, however it is not impossible that a radical group was involved,” said Eli Carmon, of the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center’s counter-terrorism department
[14:48] <lauf> wow look at the picture on Yahoo.com
[14:48] <Graco> What are they celebrating then? It’s not the Yankees winning another pennant.
[14:48] <boardsport> Tuesday September 11, 10:10 PM
[14:48] <boardsport>          Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacks
[14:48] <boardsport>          AIN AL-HELWEH, Lebanon, Sept 11 (AFP)
[14:48] <lauf> crazy to think my brother was in that building this morning
[14:48] <mflutie> from a friend on the left coast..”The naval vessels in this area (Puget Sound) have been
[14:48] <mflutie> moved away from moorings. Eerie site seeing them floating
[14:48] <mflutie> around the bay
[14:49] <lauf> I hear Tony Blair’s comments and the were very profound
[14:49] <lightplay> how far is Wall Street from WTC?
[14:49] <lauf> 2 blox
[14:49] <lauf> 3 blox
[14:49] <lightplay> omg
[14:49] <ResearcherA1> you misunderstand, cha-ching. to certain non-western societies, the honor of destruction of life of the enemy, whether civilian, whether children, is the greatest possible. and martyrdom, is of supreme honor, if done in that cause.
[14:49] <nickgc> wow… look at this     http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1601028399&tid=vvvv&sid=1601028399&mid=2254
[14:49] <tck> Guys i am going to Give blood ,thnx for all the info and i will touch base later,God bless America
[14:49] <mbaa> not far.25 mi
[14:49] <Suzanne> see you tck
[14:50] <kane1>  In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb” , “The third big war will begin when the big city is burning” – -Nostradamus 1654
[14:50] <Graco> There will be a lot of supreme honor then for us in the next few hours.
[14:50] <Beeks> FYI giving blood – many banks are booked for the day – make an appointment for this week to keep it coming
[14:50] <lauf> i say we jusy bomb Palistine.
[14:50] <lauf> just
[14:50] <lauf> just wipe them from the face of the earth
[14:50] <Graco> tck, God bless you
[14:51] <songw> ok lets leave the nostadamus-fbi -great satan clouds spotted etc for the less sophisticated channels
[14:51] <PimpDiddy> sorry but i will NEVER EVER trust any type of religious zelaot again i.e. kane
[14:51] <StephenB> imagine how even more shocked we’d be if we find out that this was done by some American upset at world rule or something….like another McVeigh set of people…highly doubtful I know given the report of Muslim heard on some atc transmissions, but imagine
[14:51] <stockpimp> thx songw….
[14:51] <bobby44> Carmon noted that the World Trade Center has been targeted once before in 1993, when a bombing killed six people and injured more than 1,000. Carmon said that there have been threats by unidentified Islamic groups to target the World Trade Center again if Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, the militant Egyptian cleric, who is serving a life sentence in the US after his conviction in a plot to bomb the United Nations and New York land
[14:51] <lauf> maybe it was someone who lost lots of cash in the markets
[14:51] <lauf> sorry just kidding
[14:52] <Yogibear> Please stop that speculation
[14:52] <bobby44> Carmon said that the alleged terrorist attack amounts to a “declaration of war” on the US, and that the US will have to “react in an extremely harsh manner.”
[14:52] <dumper> Did they use planes bound for L.A do to the amount of gas they carry ?
[14:52] <Scorp^> jeez lauf, maybe Crame did it – he’s short – get real
[14:52] <Scorp^> Cramer
[14:52] <bobby44> West coast , dumper
[14:52] <sarahsdad> yes duper
[14:52] <kane1> PimpDiddy don’t shoot the messenger
[14:52] <Suzanne> DJN: *DJ FAA Says No US Flights Until At Least 1200 EDT Wed –
[14:52] <matsuokah> everybody you know up here ok songw?
[14:52] <lightplay> some arab sheiks are daytraders
[14:52] <StephenB> nice, big fat, jetlines full of kerosene
[14:53] <Suzanne> mats, wheres phishy?
[14:53] <matsuokah> phish is ok
[14:53] <stockpimp> like Kissinger just said, “make every country that knowingly harbours these criminals pay”
[14:53] <matsuokah> he’s uptown
[14:53] <Suzanne> whew, thanks
[14:53] <prttrdr>   LOS ANGELES (Dow Jones)–A crew member of one of the American Airlines jets
[14:53] <prttrdr> that crashed Tuesday made a telephone call to the airline’s operations
[14:53] <prttrdr> center in Fort Worth, Texas to report that the aircraft had been hijacked
[14:53] <prttrdr> and that at least one crew member had been stabbed.
[14:53] <prttrdr>   It was unclear which of the two doomed American flights the call came from.
[14:53] <PimpDiddy> ok thats just scary and like dracula2000 said bible, kaoran etc is just brainwashing propaganda
[14:53] <steevyd> lauf, dont think it is the right time for making jokes
[14:53] <lightplay> kane, thanks for the Nostradamus quote, I was looking for that
[14:53] <Suzanne> alz ok too from what i understand
[14:54] <matsuokah> alz i haven’t heard from in a while… but i think he lives in brooklyn
[14:54] <sail> FoxNews is reporting that this particular plane might have made it to its target, if it weren’t for a cell phone call from a man who said he was a passenger locked in the bathroom.
[14:54] <sail> The man repeatedly told officials the call was not a hoax.
[14:54] <sail> “We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!” the man was quoted as saying, from a transcript of the call.
[14:54] <StephenB> Ok City done in by diesel fuel (sim. to kerosene)  We worry about nukes and biological weapons and the ordinary stuff continues to do the damage
[14:54] <Suzanne> he’s upstate on vacation, thank God
[14:54] <matsuokah> ah, k
[14:54] <sail> that’s prob from the plane that was shot down
[14:54] <matsuokah> both phish and i know some people in the area who we’re still trying to get a hold of
[14:54] <phi1618> the plane from newark landed on bermudas and is safe
[14:55] <Cha-ching> kane what happens next?
[14:55] <Suzanne> good, let us know please
[14:55] <locust> kamikazes sank more US warships in the pacific than did actual ship to ship sea battles during WW2   an intelligent guided missile is hard to defend against
[14:55] <mflutie> sail.. you heard a plane WAS shot down?
[14:55] <mflutie> I was speculating on that earlier
[14:56] <rac1> i still cant understand how those buildings collapsed like that
[14:56] <sail> not sure if it was news release or speculation here
[14:56] <Photon> I thought the military maintained an underground fortress for the President
[14:56] <Scorp^> nice e-mail from one of my brokers -> At a time of crisis, people have a tendency to panic. We at PFG want you to
[14:56] <Scorp^> rest assured that we are not directly affected by the disaster in New York.
[14:56] <Scorp^> Your money and market positions are secure. All records are maintained in
[14:56] <Scorp^> multiple secure locations.
[14:56] <genaro> me either rac1
[14:56] <WallStArb>   By Ken Clark  Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
[14:56] <WallStArb>  LOS ANGELES (Dow Jones)Refiners jacked up the price of wholesale gasoline throughout California Tuesday following the morning’s massive apparent terrorist attacks on the East Coast.
[14:56] <WallStArb>  Duke Energy (DUK) raised the price of its wholesale “rack” gasoline, or gasoline in terminals, throughout California and Nevada by 20 cents a gallon, or nearly 25%, said Bob Patton, vice president for product supply and marketing.
[14:56] <WallStArb>  Patton said Duke raised prices to head off runs on its stock following similar moves by competitors.
[14:56] <WallStArb>  “We kind of followed some of the other guys,” Patton said. “In our case, it’s just the uncertainty. You don’t want to get raided.”
[14:56] <WallStArb>  Traders said Tosco Corp. (TOS) started the markups by sending out notice of a 20cent hike in its posted rack prices for Californiagrade gasoline and diesel by 20 cents a gallon as of 8:15 AM PST (1515 GMT).
[14:56] <Grag> greenbriar
[14:56] <Photon> There was one at the Greenbriar resort
[14:56] <mflutie> that was me sail.. my thoughts ONLY
[14:56] <dabb> what building on the planet do you think would withstand a 767 impact??
[14:56] <locust> rac – supportuing beams for upper floors failed due to heat and collapsed – all that falling mass overwhelmed the superstrcuture
[14:57] <Wizski> Norad HQ.
[14:57] <Photon> That one isn’t maintained anymore Grag
[14:57] <StephenB> rac1, the steel up high overheated, weakened, then dropped itself on the floors below that could not withstand the concussion impact from above
[14:57] <rac1> it was so quick, didnt burn all that long
[14:57] <locust> 767 didnt knock the building over
[14:57] <Sandman> locust – you’re fast …and correct
[14:57] <mflutie> the way the blds collaped seems like there had to be additional explosives at statigic points in the bld at the bottom.
[14:57] <rac1> so no word on bombs or a third plane?
[14:57] <Grag> you sure..heard there was a lot of activty there
[14:58] <locust> nah mflutie – just a pancaking effect – building came apart top down
[14:58] <Sandman> failure of the steel at the impact point …cannot support the wieght of the building above
[14:58] <PimpDiddy> fill up your gas tank quick fuel prices goinna skyrocket
[14:58] <Wolfwood> the planes hit the corner or building on purpose to knock it down
[14:58] <lauf> what a horrible event, mt prayrs go out to all.
[14:58] <gtt> those son bs re duk, they should allocate their stock not raise prices
[14:59] <locust> saw close up video on CNN   burning corner of south tower just gave way and swung into building superstructure   amzing
[14:59] <mflutie> I can’t see BOTH blds  coming down so close to each other timewise from hits 80 floors up!..Looks like they imploded as if a planned event
[14:59] <DChristie> the buildings were moving
[14:59] <Wolfwood> if they hit in center it prob would not collapse
[14:59] <StephenB> yeah, the 2nd plane hit the tower on the corner…was wondering why..good point
[14:59] <mflutie> I’m prob wrong.. just time timing of BOTH coming down…
[14:59] <flier> Morgan Stanley (MWD) later said that the firm had 3,500 workers at its WTC
[14:59] <flier> offices, although it wasn’t clear how many of those people were in the area
[14:59] <flier> at the time.
[14:59] <flier>   A spokesman in London said that the company had 2,500 employees in the south
[14:59] <flier> tower and 1,000 in the north tower.
[14:59] <flier>   The firm still could not comment on the status of employees who worked at
[14:59] <flier> the Trade Center.
[14:59] <rac1> the second bldg struck lower down dropped first
[14:59] <TKaarud> the buildings collapsed from the top, the structure damage from tha a/c’s were enough to make the top floors hammer its way down
[15:00] <DChristie> can’t believe we were watching the smoke on the 1st building then from the corner of your TV showed up another plane … unbelievable … seem like a movie
[15:00] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Has it ever been confirmed that PA plane was shot down?
[15:00] <locust> i speculated the same on the south tower impact – they went for the corner when the center is easiest target
[15:00] <JoMi> lotta bunnrning jet fuel filtering down thru the floors
[15:00] <bobby44> someone posted here before it hit the corner to weaken the superstructure
[15:00] <Doc_Holiday> Unconfirmed reports said that as many as eight airliners may have been hijacked, which would leave four unaccounted for as of 1 p.m. Tuesday afternoon.
[15:00] <DChristie> that was at 9 am this morning.. still rattled here
[15:00] <skifreak> have yall seen this Akamai regrets passing of co-founder (AKAM) By Tomi Kilgore
[15:00] <skifreak> Akamai Technologies (AKAM) said its co-founder and chief technology officer, Daniel Lewin, has passed away at the age of 31. The company said American Airlines confirmed that he was on board the Boston-to-Los Angeles American Airlines flight that crashed in New York City. “Danny was a wonderful human being. He will be deeply missed by his many friends at Akamai,” said George Conrades, Akamai’s chairman and chief executive. “Our thought
[15:00] <StephenB> as the 1st tower came down, the shockwaves might have weakened the nearby 2nd tower too
[15:00] <bobby44> i would agree.but the first one didnt.it seemed to hit the middle of the other tower
[15:00] <Wolfwood> its like a pipe if you put a hole in center it still stays strong
[15:00] <Wolfwood> but take out the side and its weak
[15:00] <locust> FAA has accounted fro all aircraft per earlier post on other channel
[15:01] <mflutie> maybe there were battles ON the plane as pilots tried to stop the person flying from hitting the bld… maybe that’s why it was not dead center
[15:01] <Suzanne> CNBC_Katherine : Getting reports of a bomb threat at the L&C Tower in Nashville, TN
[15:01] <Suzanne> song? uda?
[15:01] <davidb2b> 31 seems awful young
[15:01] <songw> yes
[15:01] <stockpimp> sad
[15:01] <songw> also the marriot
[15:01] <Suzanne> lord
[15:01] <songw> copy cat schmucks
[15:02] <StephenB> maybe, but a flight from BOS takes several minutes to reduce altitude  to get to NYC downtown…somebody evil had most of the control during that time
[15:02] <Photon> these copy cats should face STIFF prison sentences
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[15:02] <songw> air traffic controllers in boston and ny had to see the boston jet was wrong for 30 minutes or more
[15:02] <Scorp^> hmmm, Bush in moffit AFB in Nebraska
[15:02] <StephenB> bush reported in Nebraska
[15:03] <JoMi> better he than me <g>
[15:03] <TKaarud> what kind of sick persons will call in fake bomb threats in a time like this?
[15:03] <matsuokah> you would think song
[15:03] <matsuokah> plus, that thing came straight over the city on the way down
[15:03] <Sandman> BOS flight turned South near Albany – flight to NYC about 20 minutes from there
[15:03] <roger2> if they had waited until everyone was at work they would have killed many more…maybe a larger number was not their goal…although I’m reluctant to believe it
[15:03] <nightly1> eastern seaboard air trag
[15:03] <StephenB> yeah, songw…my thinking too
[15:04] <nightly1> traffic on long island watched it happen
[15:04] <craigk2> airline schedules wouldn’t allow them to wait
[15:04] <StephenB> maybe they reported a need to divert to JFK or something to cover their real intents for as long as possible
[15:04] <AV_OUT> we’re all going to know someone or be close to someone who does
[15:04] <craigk2> they needed those big morning flights
[15:04] <flier> Yes song- wonder where the mitilary was.
[15:04] <lauf> Brazil – 9%
[15:04] <craigk2> I wonder how the heck the pentagon was hit so long after the attack
[15:05] <AV_OUT> this strategy is going to spread across the country as death specifics come in – sad for many of us
[15:05] <Scorp^> plane hit it too craig
[15:05] <PimpDiddy> 15:03 Polo Ralph Lauren Cancels Spring 2002 Collection Show
[15:05] <rac1> this shows that the enemies of the us have the will and the means to attack us on our own soil, and they can continue to do so, should they choose
[15:05] <dabb> I thought some US government buildings were capable of shooting down incoming “stuff”
[15:05] <Rollo> Thats what I meant earlyer…someone has to take responsebility of the military failure…and I think it will be bush
[15:05] <craigk2> yes, but how come fighters were not scrambled to protect DC
[15:05] <davidb2b> Thought the pentagon area was no fly zone???
[15:05] <mflutie> military would not have gotten involved, even if a hijacking was known,, there  would have been no idea of this happening,, even for the 2nd one being only 15 minutes later
[15:05] <phi1618> this can happen anywhere.. any coutry.. there are planes all over the world
[15:05] <rick6548> This is proof that we elected a weak president who appointed inferior protectors of our beloved America!  God help us!
[15:06] <Scorp^> pentagon is under National airport air space
[15:06] <AV_OUT> well dabb – if the pentagon doesn’t have it – who would?
[15:06] <dabb> thats what I was thinking
[15:06] <AV_OUT> i guess it didn’t work or they don’t shoot civilians
[15:06] <craigk2> I bet we will find out they intended to hit the capital and white house, but plans went wrong somewhere
[15:06] <Wolfwood> the onmly way to have stopped this is guards on all planes
[15:06] <Graco> Imagine the trial for these criminals in our court rooms? If they are still alive that is.
[15:06] <DezertRat> I heard on TV that AKAM ceo was killed
[15:06] <Scorp^> hell, I could crash into it
[15:06] <StephenB> we’ve had hijacks before, whouda’ thunk that the correct response this time was to scramble fighters and shoot them down?
[15:06] <AV_OUT> they will wolf
[15:06] <Suzanne> rick, weak or not, or opinion or not, he IS our President and please respect that while in this channel
[15:06] <Rollo> Anyone remember the guy who landed on the Red Place in Moscow?
[15:06] <Scorp^> that CEO was on one of the hijacked planes
[15:06] <craigk2> cheif technology officer
[15:06] <craigk2> not ceo
[15:07] <DezertRat> ok
[15:07] <Rollo> After that all the military ministers had to step down
[15:07] <detexb> not a bush fan here but this is not the time for politics & backbiting
[15:07] <PimpDiddy> why waste our money on a trial ! these victims never got a trail
[15:07] <joelm1> this is NOT the time to be bashing each other. This is the time to join together to find solutions. Politics and personalities should be set aside
[15:07] <phi1618> well.. as an european i know that Clinton made an effort for peace in midle east.. Bush made a clear option for war.. americans should vote today
[15:07] <songw> odds that these punks could hijack for commercial jets on the same am are extremely long
[15:07] <songw> i wonder what broke down
[15:07] <matsuokah> local news was saying a little while ago that the american express building on fire and in danger of collapse
[15:07] <songw> 4 jets
[15:07] <Photon> We need to support Bush right now… you can dissect his policy later
[15:08] <AV_OUT> songw – all you need is about 2 dozen guys
[15:08] <HeadFake> We need to stick together as one patriotic American
[15:08] <StephenB> if a plane goes wrong out of Dulles, how many seconds would anti-aircraft at the Pentagon have to make a decision to shoot down a passenger aircraft (only to drop the rubble on greater DC as well?)
[15:08] <BiggestDog> i am about to be banned from this room…..
[15:08] <AV_OUT> 6 per plane – overpower the crew
[15:08] <mflutie> Pentagon area probably IS ano fly zone, but unless confirmed, who is going to order a commercial plane shot down?  If the one in Pennsyvania was shot down it was after 3 attacks  and yet if shot down we still have not heard so.. Americans will have a hard time swallowing our own military shooting down a commercial plane with our citizens on it
[15:08] <Suzanne> BiggestDog? dont do it, ill make it stick
[15:08] <songw> without a weapons?
[15:08] <craigk2> yes…to say this is anyone’s fault other than the people  that did it is crazy
[15:08] <matsuokah> we’re all lucky as hell that they didn’t manage to get any biological weapons on board those planes
[15:08] <PT1> an interesting passage from the Koran: 48.16: ……You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment
[15:09] <skifreak> bush is not the one that had alot of milatary bases shut down,he cant them up the milatary overnight
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[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years C
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[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement D
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[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years C
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[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement L
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
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[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years V
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[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement Z
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. M
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years V
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement D
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. D
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years V
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement P
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. X
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years U
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement E
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. H
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years K
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement P
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. A
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years Y
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement K
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. J
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years Y
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement N
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. S
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years E
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement C
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. H
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years I
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement V
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. W
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years Y
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement X
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. C
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years H
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
[15:09] <Araflat> It’s never too late to clean up the excrement O
[15:09] <Araflat> DEATH to all PALESTINIANS
[15:09] <Araflat> If you have been living in the world and do not know that PALESTINIANS are nothing but desert dogsh|t, and need to to wiped from the planet, then you must be a fool. J
[15:09] <Araflat> I have called for the DEATH of all PALESTINIANS for many years U
[15:09] <Araflat> I now call for the death of all PALESTINIANS everywhere.+$r(A,Z)
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[15:09] <Suzanne> idiot
[15:09] <mosesk> maybe this is inappropriate but can i ask a MIRC question
[15:09] <Suzanne> gawd
[15:09] <Photon> shessh… thank you Suz
[15:09] <davidb2b> wow
[15:09] <StephenB> matsoukah, how do we know they didn’t….we need a few more hours to see maybe
[15:09] <Suzanne> sorry guys
[15:09] <songw> go take a flying leap you moron
[15:09] <BiggestDog> ok, well i would like to say that i strongly disagree w/ phi’s statement.
[15:09] <Suzanne> nuts are coming out of the woodwork today
[15:09] <boardsport> at least he stopped bashing traders in the room
[15:10] <ripvanww> nuts falling early this year
[15:10] <AV_OUT> thanks for monitored chat
[15:10] <chaos> keep that finger on the eject button.
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[15:10] <matsuokah> cld be stephen… i don’t know time frame on that stuff
[15:10] <matsuokah> was thinking more like sarin gas… something that acts immediately
[15:10] <mosesk> MIRC question?
[15:10] <Beeks> i’m fearful for my friends who are of any middle eastern descent
[15:10] <StephenB> I doubt it though…and I know so little about such weapons, maybe we WOULD already know
[15:10] <PT1> here’s another: 4.74: Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward
[15:11] <PMA> nice suz
[15:11] <Mike> yes mosesk just click on my name
[15:11] <songw> the vast majority of muslim are good and decent people-i know many——this kind of action is anathema to the koran–and can’t really be called islamic
[15:12] <rac1> we gonna see pre “irrational exhuberance” levels soon ?
[15:12] <boardsport> barbara olson from fox news was killed.
[15:12] <StephenB> well, I said it before but I mean it now, have a special Congressional primary going on here…gotta go vote…have to find a real hawk on the ballot
[15:12] <Rollo> To calm us down and to find a way to respect the tragedy of today…can we shut up for a minute and pray?
[15:12] <locust> bush nominee’s wifre was killed
[15:12] <Beeks> we need a whole day of prayer and mourning
[15:13] <StephenB> wow, my first vote since November…but I won’t go there..all you with friends unaacounted for…God bless you
[15:13] <stockpimp> what locust ?
[15:14] <Gipper> The Solicitor General Ted Olson is the husband of Barbara Olson.
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[15:14] <Yogibear> CNBC—FBI newsconference due at 3:15
[15:14] <mflutie> scene of West Side Hywy on ABC channel 7 of people calmly walking on the road trying to head out of Manhatten,, can’t help remembering scenes from a Steven King novel/movie “”The Stand” as people tried to get out of NYC
[15:14] <WallStArb> Hmm
[15:14] <WallStArb> This is one of these NEVER EXPECTED events that cause the big collapses
[15:14] <Dion-> the plan hit the joint chiefs of staff side of the pentagon
[15:15] <Dion-> plane
[15:15] <rac1> yup
[15:15] <locust> barbara olsen
[15:15] <sail> dion, i heard it missed it, it hit the special ops section
[15:15] <rac1> really could not have come at a worse time
[15:15] <seawind> www.drudgereport.com has an incredible photo
[15:15] <WallStArb> Markets at all time lows
[15:15] <Dion-> world markets?
[15:16] <WallStArb> yep
[15:16] <WallStArb> !world
[15:16] <Dion-> When does Japan open?
[15:16] <boardsport> is anything open now?
[15:16] <PT1> problem is crazy religious fanatic types are using the Koran as a license to kill innocent people thru suicide attacks, as is happening in Isreal
[15:17] <Beeks> Japn opens at 8pm normally est
[15:17] <Beeks> Japan
[15:17] <Treller> 7 Japan?
[15:17] <NadaClue>
10,0ASIA
china
14,0^SSEA
3,0
3,0 +0.40%
HK
14,0^HSI
3,0
3,0 +0.49%
JP
14,0^n225
3,0
3,0 +0.95%
Singapore
14,0^STI
3,0
3,0 +0.53%
TW
14,0^TWII
4,0
4,0 -2.62%
S.Kor
14,0
14,0^KS11

4,0
4,0 -1.84%
Malaysia
14,0^KLSE
4,0
4,0 -0.68%

[15:17] <NadaClue>
10,0Europe
Fr
14,0^FCHI
4,0
4,0 -7.39%
DE
14,0^GDAXI
4,0
4,0 -3.28%
UK
14,0^FTSE
4,0
4,0 -5.72%
ISR
14,0^TA100
4,0
4,0 -1.97%
Spain
14,0^SMSI
4,0
4,0 -1.99%
Swed
14,0^SXAXPI
4,0
4,0 -1.87%
Italy
14,0^MIBTEL
4,0
4,0 -0.98%

[15:17] <NadaClue>
10,0Mars
Aussie
14,0^AORD
4,0
4,0 -0.01%
N.Z.
14,0^NZ40
3,0
3,0 +0.66%

[15:17] <Jabez> Does anyone know when the US Mkts will open back up?
[15:17] <WallStArb> I doubt they open Asian markets
[15:17] <Jabez> IMHO: I believe if they keep them closed for several sessions it will avoid mass selling.
[15:17] <Beeks> I’m surprised they kept Europe open
[15:17] <rac1> hopefully forces worldwide will come together to try to deal with this in a more coordinated manner, but frankly i doubt it
[15:17] <kass> what do you think will US markets be opened tomorrow?
[15:17] <boardsport> fox now
[15:17] <Jabez> I do not know
[15:18] <rac1> no
[15:18] <Dion-> kass: what market
[15:18] <Dion-> kass: you know where the NYSE is right?
[15:18] <boardsport> crazy video
[15:18] *** Guest42025 is now known as osee
[15:18] <kass> that would be victory for terrorists when markets would be closed and financial system in chaos
[15:18] <rac1> they gonna be digging bodies out of of rubble for days, no trading tomorrow
[15:18] <DChristie> just remember to take every fire alarm seriously
[15:18] <Dion-> CBOE, PACX, NASDAQ might be open
[15:18] <Dion-> ASE and NYSE…?
[15:19] <Photon> mkts open ?
[15:19] *** Guest31567 is now known as birdman
[15:19] <rac1> half of wall street gonna be going to funerals over next week
[15:19] <Dion-> Yeah, like what markets will be open when they do open.
[15:19] <Dion-> It’s gonna take a long time to get NYSE back up
[15:20] <Jabez> NYSE is not damaged
[15:20] <Mike> better wait for a couple off days, let things setlle
[15:20] <craigk2> well 50 floors of msdw gone
[15:20] <mflutie> former Sec. of State James Baker talking now about how our intelligence services were SO reduced and disarmed in the 80s by the Church committee hearings that we were not at the point of being ABLE to see this coming by penetrating groups that do this. We will probably see a major shift in that area of our collective thinking as well
[15:20] <sail> DJ 15:12 *DJ Bush Moved To Strategic Air Command HQ In Nebraska – BBC
[15:20] <locust> http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/9/11/132109
[15:20] <theMAXX> lol
[15:20] <DezertRat> they said 70% of the bond market was in the WTC
[15:20] <rac1> they might try to open market to demonstrate something, but imo no hurry, aint gonna be fun anyway
[15:20] <Photon> They NEED to reopen the mkts… otherwise fear accelerates
[15:20] <locust> Today’s attack comes in the very middle of the week, September 5th
[15:20] <locust>                 through the 17th, that the Camp David Accords were negotiated and
[15:20] <locust>                 signed in 1978.
[15:20] <locust>                 Numerology is important to these terrorists, who also engineered
[15:20] <locust>                 the World trade Center bombing of 1993 to coincide with the
[15:20] <locust>                 anniversary of the start of the ground war in Iraq from 1991.
[15:20] <dabb> friend of a friend here at work lives close to the pentagon and saw plane coming in… says it impacted short of the building near a helipad… would have been much worse if direct hit.
[15:20] <theMAXX> what good does it do to keep moving him – when the friggin stupid media keep pinpointing his exact location
[15:21] <PT1> when markets open, I’m sure the bids will be totally juiced on all the Dow 30 and NDX 100, no tanking will be allowed imo
[15:21] <Scorp^> well, SAC is pretty safe from about anything  🙂
[15:21] <Jane> Bin Laden associate is scheduled to be sentenced on Wednesday in New York on African Embassy bombing case
[15:21] <Photon> Yeah… also makes it look like he’s running
[15:21] <Mike> also against incoming planes, scorp?
[15:21] <sail> doesn’t mean that’s accurate info as regards bush’s location
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[15:21] <Scorp^> yes, and nukes
[15:22] <DezertRat> Maxx Offit AFB is SAC headquarters, thats why
[15:22] <rmk> correct Jane – timing surely isnt a coincidence
[15:22] <Treller> Ok BBC says Tokyo open Wed.
[15:22] <Dion-> wow
[15:22] <sail> but looks like they are moving KEY govt leaders to different parts of the country
[15:22] <bizee> Barbara Olsen, wife of Ted Olsen of election fame correct?
[15:22] <matsuokah> seems like the american express building just collapsed
[15:22] <matsuokah> not confirmed
[15:22] <Beeks> what?!
[15:23] <Suzanne> your kidding
[15:23] <Jabez> don’t post things unless you can source them
[15:23] <craigk2> that building was adjacent to towers, right
[15:23] <Photon> Hopefully nobody in it, right ?
[15:23] <matsuokah> must have been evacuated long ago
[15:23] <Sandman> Barbara Olson, noted author, former congressional investigator and wife of Bush administration Solicitor General Ted Olson was reportedly on the hijacked commercial airplane that slammed into the Pentagon Tuesday morning.
[15:23] <Jabez> Does that mean I don’t have to pay my AMEX bill this month?
[15:23] <Photon> yeah prob
[15:23] <boardsport> kick
[15:23] <DChristie> no away jabez
[15:23] <craigk2> lots of the firefighters were in and around the building when it collapsed
[15:23] <DChristie> go away
[15:24] <DChristie> before u get the smackdown
[15:24] <sail> how much of amex total operations were in wtc? was their hq there?
[15:24] <Jabez> I was joking, settle down.
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[15:24] <Jabez> you are too hysterical, and your ability to sense sarcasm went out the window.
[15:24] <craigk2> I can’t seem to be able to joke now
[15:24] <locust> is the infrastructure for the markets still operational ?
[15:24] <Photon> This isn’t a joke guy
[15:25] <locust> nothing funny to joke about
[15:25] <DChristie> ur jokes are lame
[15:25] <CIAP> Firefighter worldwyde will updated their rescue plan when a sky scrapper is been hit by an airplane.
[15:25] *** Robbin is now known as Robbin-afk
[15:25] <KILLA> DUBAI, Sept 11 (Reuters) – Palestinian Islamic Jihaddistanced itself from Tuesday’s attacks on the United States butsaid they gave Americans a taste of the suffering of thePalestinian people.    “The United States is taking a hostile stand against ourpeople and cause, but we do not find it necessary to opensecondary battlefronts,” Abdallah al-Shami, a spokesman for themilitant group, told Abu Dhabi television.    Asked to comment on Palestinian Pre
[15:25] <DChristie> u an idiot for making jokes on the most horrific day in us history
[15:25] <sarahsdad> CORRECTED: Aircraft crashed into Camp David, reports CBS
[15:25] <sarahsdad> .c Kyodo News Service
[15:25] <sarahsdad> WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 (Kyodo) – An aircraft crashed into the U.S. presidential retreat at Camp David, Maryland, on Tuesday, CBS television reported.
[15:25] <sarahsdad> Earlier two aircraft crashed into the World Trade Center buildings in New York and another into the Pentagon. Several other federal buildings in Washington were also attacked.
[15:25] <sarahsdad> AP-NY-09-11-01 1214EDT
[15:25] <sail> MW 15:22 FIREFIGHTERS SUSPEND OPERATIONS AT WTC – CNN
[15:26] <Jane> Canadian tv providing much more explicit and detailed coverage than US stations, unusual for Canadian tv
[15:26] <sail> DJ 15:23 DJ Capitol Police: Senate\House Ldrs At Undisclosed Location
[15:26] <KILLA> Shami said: “Crimes againsthumanity were committed against our people and the massacres bythe Zionists were committed with American projectiles andmissiles.    “The United States has provided a cover for these Zionistcrimes and subsequently the Palestinian street is happy to seeAmerica suffer the pain and bitterness that our people feel sothat it reviews its policy anew.”    Some 562 Palestinians have been killed in an 11-monthuprising against Isra
[15:26] <spuuki> i think that today is not a day of making jokes
[15:26] <KILLA> killed
[15:26] <Jabez> Be reasonable
[15:26] <roger2> anyone think nyse and naz will collapse from this attack?..thoughtful responses please
[15:26] <hilo> jabez, just what part of innocent people dead, do you find funny, you are too unhysterical imo
[15:26] <matsuokah> local news says bridges and tunnels to queens and brooklyn open
[15:26] <Photon> Who is this Shami ?
[15:26] <WallStArb> see europe
[15:26] <matsuokah> perhaps only 1 way
[15:26] <Jabez> I was not referring to their deaths as being funny
[15:26] <WallStArb> -6 – 10%
[15:26] <Jabez> you are placing those words in my mouth
[15:26] <Mike> yes roger2, people will move money out of stock
[15:26] *** Jabez was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[15:27] <songw> A World War II veteran in Nashville for a reunion of the U.S.S. Intrepid aircraft carrier was incensed. “I feel like going to war again. No mercy,” said Felix Novelli, a New Yorker with friends who work at the World Trade Center. “We have to come together like ’41, go after them.”
[15:27] <lightplay> 3 ships be deployed here in seattle to protect ports
[15:27] <bear> what channel are you watching Jane?
[15:27] <Wizski> roger2 save the market questions for another time.
[15:27] <Photon> We need to find them first
[15:27] <rac1> markets will surely tank short term, question is longer term which is very dicey imo
[15:27] <Suzanne> 3:23pm 09/11/01   U.S. EMBASSIES WORLDWIDE AUTHORIZED TO SHUT DOWN
[15:27] <Jane> cbc bear
[15:27] <sail> MW 15:23 U.S. EMBASSIES WORLDWIDE AUTHORIZED TO SHUT DOWN
[15:27] <Yogibear> we need to find the black boxes
[15:27] <stockwolf> what you quiting from kane1
[15:27] <lightplay> trading halted in Brazil as Bovespa drops 9%
[15:28] <mflutie> BUsh at Sac
[15:28] <roger2> wizski..this is a market channel…in case u didn’t know it
[15:28] <Photon> yep Yogi
[15:28] <mflutie> safe place
[15:28] <GoldenGoose> NASD/NYSE – more than likely we’ll see a spike down, then unity, to create a market bottom, pull together in a united front to strengthen interal economic structure
[15:28] <stockwolf> quoting
[15:28] <sail> there might still be something going on here
[15:28] <matsuokah> some subways reopening
[15:28] <locust> ghoulish shorts are still busy making money in foreign markets
[15:28] *** roger2 was kicked by Wizski (I know it, and you should have a better sense of timing.)
[15:28] <matsuokah> west side still closed down
[15:28] <stockwolf> how many here live in manhattan?
[15:28] <BMW_MPower> Bush at command center…would that imply they may be planning an aggressive action?
[15:28] <Photon> When was the Camp David bombing … how long ago ?
[15:28] <theMAXX> let’s hope so
[15:28] <DChristie> bush in sac?
[15:29] <craigk2> wasn’t bombed
[15:29] <Graco> Today is a reminder of how important the veterans were for the nation. IMO they deverse TWO holidays!!
[15:29] <stockwolf> bush in nebraska last heard
[15:29] <WallStArb> When the right-wing Likud party won the elections in Israel in 1977, the United States feared that even these peace negotiations would grind to a halt. To the world’s shock, on September 10, 1977, Anwar Sadat, president of Egypt, announced his willingness to visit Israel. It was the first time an Arab leader had shown readiness to recognize Israel.
[15:29] <WallStArb> Muhammad Anwar al-Sadat, President of the Arab Republic of Egypt, and Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel, met with Jimmy Carter, President of the United States of America, at Camp David from September 5 to September 17, 1978, and have agreed on the following framework for peace in the Middle East. They invite other parties to the Arab-Israel conflict to adhere to it.
[15:29] <rac1> this is a terrible tragedy, but imo some thought will have to be given to effects on market if there is gonna be any market left
[15:29] <sail> us embassies shutting down, could be an escalation or or repsonse coming soon
[15:29] <theMAXX> please
[15:29] *** rac1 was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[15:29] <diesl> my feeling is  they know who did it
[15:29] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Camp David crash has NOT been confirmed yet
[15:29] <sarahsdad> CORRECTED: Aircraft crashed into Camp David, reports CBS
[15:29] <sarahsdad> .c Kyodo News Service
[15:29] <sarahsdad> WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 (Kyodo) – An aircraft crashed into the U.S. presidential retreat at Camp David, Maryland, on Tuesday, CBS television reported.
[15:29] <sarahsdad> Earlier two aircraft crashed into the World Trade Center buildings in New York and another into the Pentagon. Several other federal buildings in Washington were also attacked.
[15:29] <sarahsdad> AP-NY-09-11-01 1214EDT
[15:30] <corruptor> rac1..they didn’t whipe us out idiot
[15:30] <stockwolf> think they gonna declare martial law?
[15:30] <prttrdr>  the only way to win this is massive funding for crack teams of antiterrorists  and CIA operatives    sends teams of deadly hitmen throughout the world  with the ability to call in pinpoint air strikes when needed
[15:30] <Suzanne> corruptor, no name calling
[15:30] <craigk2> what time was that
[15:30] <songw> In Pennsylvania, an emergency dispatcher received a cell phone call at 9:58 a.m. from a man who said he was a passenger locked in a bathroom aboard United Flight 93, said dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer in neighboring Westmoreland County. The man repeatedly told officials the call was not a hoax.
[15:30] <songw> “We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!” Cramer quoted the man from a transcript of the call.
[15:30] <corruptor> ok suz
[15:30] <corruptor> sorry
[15:30] <Yogibear> :26pm 09/11/01   [UAL] UAL FLIGHT 93, 175 VICTIM FAMILIES TO RECEIVE $25,000
[15:30] <Yogibear>
[15:30] <Yogibear>  3:27pm 09/11/01   [UAL] UAL CONFIRMS FLIGHT 175 CRASHED
[15:30] <sail> DJ 15:22 DJ Rep. Baker Says Lawmakers View Attacks As “Act Of War”
[15:30] <stockwolf> think they gonna declare martial law?
[15:30] <craigk2> sarah’s dad…when was the camp david news?
[15:30] <GoldenGoose> 25k an insult
[15:31] <Graco> Where was the plane that landed in Pittsburgh headed?
[15:31] <mflutie> my neighbor has a flag outside & he just lowered it to 1/2 staff
[15:31] <stockwolf> you think 25.000 compensate for the death of family?
[15:31] <Mike> Yogibear, that’s plane number 5 then, flight 175
[15:31] <sarahsdad> 12:14 timestamp
[15:31] <boardsport>  no martial law.  that would denote caos.
[15:31] <Yogibear> don’t know
[15:31] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Anyone other than foreign news wire run Camp David crash?
[15:31] <diesl> cleveland i think
[15:31] <prttrdr> even putting out info about money at this time is ridiculously crass and base
[15:31] <detexb> 25k is for immediate useprolly not full compensation
[15:31] <craigk2> flight 175 was one of the previous mentioned
[15:31] <Dion-> pilots should have guns
[15:32] <Mike> i know graig, Yogibear said it is confirmed to have crashed
[15:32] <Jane> CBC reports flight attendant from 1st plane to crash into wtc contacted AA and reported they were being high jacked and two flight attendants had been stabbed
[15:32] <rmk> you fire a gun in a pressured planes and you might as well have set a bomb off in it
[15:32] <Gipper> Barbara Olson was on her cell phone to her husband when her plane crashed into the Pentagon.
[15:32] <stockwolf> well even if they had guns , doesnt mean terrorists couldnt hijack it and have inside american help
[15:32] <Commonman> Stabbed? there’s part of your answer
[15:32] <Commonman> easier to get knives than guns on a plane
[15:32] <sail> we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, there could be more to come — embassies shutting down, bush in nebraska, sen & house leaders at undisclosed locations
[15:32] <joelm1> CBC reports a Korean airlines commercial flight on the ground near Whitehorse – being treated as a hijack since no communications with the plane. Fighter’s circling the airport there.
[15:33] <theMAXX> Whitehorse?
[15:33] <bizee> wheres that?
[15:33] *** Guest84579 is now known as T_O_M
[15:33] <JoMi> legal to fly with up to a 4 inch blade
[15:33] <Photon> msnbc has none of those reports
[15:33] <Jane> Northern Canada
[15:33] <joelm1> that’s what the canadian TV is saying
[15:33] <prttrdr> DJN: *DJ Aircraft In Yukon Airspace Seen As Hijack Incident
[15:33] <sail> could just be a routine response, but we don’t know that
[15:33] <bizee> k  thanks
[15:33] <revv> British Columbia
[15:33] <revv> or Yukon
[15:33] <stockwolf> i heard a plane is being followed by fighter pilots , and is not responding , so will treat as hijack and may have to shoot it down if makes any sudden turns
[15:33] <bear> yukon
[15:34] <bizee> thats first indication of west coast possible target then?
[15:34] <Comp1> Yukon
[15:34] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> CNN reporting plane that crashed in PA might have been targeted at Camp David
[15:34] <Suzanne> yes
[15:34] <stockwolf> this is crazy
[15:34] <craigk2> they had to wait for west coast to wake up…im surprised LA wasn’t hit
[15:34] *** Guest67334 is now known as lola
[15:35] <stockwolf> would they draft people if martail came
[15:35] <Suzanne> i think this is more crazy than 95% of us in this channel will have ever seen
[15:35] <DezertRat> we have no symbols of USA out here in the west
[15:35] <prttrdr> hopefully
[15:35] <Wizski> Let’s try to post the source of our news folks. Rumors don’t help anyone.
[15:35] <rmk> It was targeting Camp David – Middle East Cease Fire Signed there
[15:35] <Mike> 99% Suzanne
[15:35] <Suzanne> neah, we got some old timers here Mike
[15:35] <Gina> hello peoples
[15:35] * Suzanne looks at cool
[15:35] <Photon> Yep… even the Cuban Missle Crisis wasn’t quite this crazy… Kennedy assasignation was tho
[15:36] <sail> nbc news — bush is in underground bunker in nebraska
[15:36] <Gina> that is more than crazy
[15:36] <Photon> I remember those vividly
[15:36] <craigk2> Norad is in Nevada, right?
[15:36] <Mike> you already trading then photon?
[15:36] <Photon> SAC went on defcon 1 when JFK was killed
[15:36] <DezertRat> Norad is Colorado
[15:36] <sail> colorado i think
[15:36] <jpn> colorado springs
[15:37] <craigk2> OK
[15:37] <boardsport> huge celebrations on fox news in the west bank
[15:37] <boardsport> little kids in the street cheering
[15:37] <craigk2> that is bull that they train children to celebrate murder
[15:38] < > Kennedy assasignation was nothing close to this… it was an orderly turn over of government to the VP and law enforcement took over the chase for the assassin. It was very emotional for the country due to how love/young JFK was…but imo it isn’t 1/1000th of this
[15:38] <Panther> I was around for all those past incidents Photon…this is the worst
[15:38] <Treller> Oh my, not what to show an enraged nation
[15:38] <symbiont> fox showing happy palestinians….makes me sick
[15:38] <GoldenGoose> Our children play videogames
[15:38] <Treller> This is live
[15:38] <songw> they are taught from an early age that to die attacking your enemies makes you a religious martyr
[15:38] <songw> and insures paradise in the after life
[15:38] <flier> DJN: *DJ Aircraft In Yukon Airspace Seen As Hijack Incident
[15:38] <Mike> xp people here is see
[15:39] <DChristie> Yukon a new one?
[15:39] <songw> i hope st peter looks like uncle sam
[15:39] <Yojimbo> Probably a false alarm
[15:39] <Photon> Mflutie… they didn’t know it was local at the time
[15:39] <Suzanne> why are the network channels not reporting this AK Yukon issue?
[15:39] <Photon> believe me
[15:39] <joelm1> CBC is Suz
[15:39] <Jena> CBS RAdio says “Thousands of Palestinians in Nablus danced in the streets to teh news of teh attack”.
[15:40] <DCarey> they’ve been late in reporting all day, newswires have been first
[15:40] <Scorp^> got a guy on the phone now, gas jumped to 3 bux a gallon in Oklahoma city this morning
[15:40] <Scorp^> near 4 bux in Tulsa
[15:40] <Mike> saw it on tv Suzanne, disgusting, people cheering for the death of others
[15:40] <Photon> That’s price gouging
[15:40] <detexb> profiteering
[15:40] <mflutie> that’s true,,, but the world was very different them,, if anything was feared it was from Soviet Union taking advantage of it… but this is happening to the average person.. different feelings…greater news coverage. etc
[15:40] <bucko> slimbags not wasting a minute on gas prices
[15:40] <Scorp^> yes, people in line for 30 min. now
[15:41] <craigk2> Im getting concerned that im starting to understand the feeling of a strong dislike for an entire race of people
[15:41] <KILLA> CNN just showed footage of palestinians dancing in the streets
[15:41] <mflutie> geez.. I was getting gas when the first hit was reported this morning..
[15:41] <GoldenGoose> it better be the HUMAN race your talking about
[15:41] <Photon> Anyone who has a gas station that is jacking prices should make a note and NEVER buy gas from them again
[15:41] <GoldenGoose> Racism is what started all of this
[15:42] <T_O_M> Making money out of this is sick
[15:42] <mflutie> Photon.. great point
[15:42] <Mike> no GoldenGoose, it’s religion at the base of this, fanatic religion
[15:42] <T_O_M> Racism and fanatism
[15:42] <Mike> yes T_O_M
[15:42] <GoldenGoose> I agree
[15:42] <theMAXX> we are a capitalist nation – it’s what we do – it’s what has built us – and it’s what drives us
[15:42] <Beeks> i agree with TOM, but I’m not happy about going from 100% cash to 100% invested just yesterday
[15:43] * Yogibear 3:39pm 09/11/01 U.S. PUTS TWO AIRCRAFT CARRIERS ON STANDBY STATUS
[15:43] <bullfrog> ouch…bad news Beeks…it should come back though
[15:43] <Mike> haven’t even thought about that, some poeple still in stocks here
[15:43] <Jena>  <GoldenGoose> Racism is what started all of this <–  Kasian Franks, This is murder. Murderers start murder.
[15:43] <craigk2> beeks, I feel your pain…I loaded some yesterday too
[15:43] <sail> pentagon special report coming
[15:43] <mflutie> how about THIS one.. a friend called me from NJ.. there are private people sitting near bridges offering to drive people home for exorborant amounts of mucho money…want to talk about human garbage?
[15:43] <locust> Putin giving Bush the greenlight to go after the terrorists, Russians not behind this  IMO China is most likely involved  http://www.europeaninternet.com/login/noads_login.php3?url=/russia/news.php3%3Fid%3D646392
[15:43] <GoldenGoose> Jena – I agree
[15:44] <bizee> sick mflutie
[15:44] <Yogibear> 3:42pm 09/11/01   API: OIL SUPPLY DATA RELEASED EARLY TO NAT’L EMERGENCY
[15:44] <Photon> I unloaded most, but not all stock… I will be hurting a bit when mkt reopens
[15:44] <mk> mflutie noone has to pay anyone, if they decide it’s worth it to pay then it’s just good old supply and demand at work
[15:44] <verona> anyone of you have problems opening datek?
[15:44] <WallStArb>  DES MOINES, Iowa (Dow Jones)Morgan Stanley, the largest tenant in the World Trade Center, distributed a memo to employees in other cities saying that Trade Center personnel had survived Tuesday morning’s attack and apparently were all right.
[15:44] <WallStArb>  The memo also said the investment firm’s senior management had been at the company’s midtown Manhattan headquarters when the deadly assaults on the towers occurred.
[15:44] <WallStArb>  “As a dualheadquartered firm, we expect to have operations up and functioning tomorrow,” a Morgan Stanley employee said the memo reported.
[15:44] <WallStArb>  It added that financial advisers should reassure clients that their records are safe, and pass on a hotline number to call should they have further questions.
[15:44] <WallStArb>  An estimated 3,500 employees worked for Morgan Stanley in the south tower, where the firm occupied about 50 floors.
[15:44] <StephenB> gas stations can raise prices if they want, but imo, it will be temporary, because as I see it, gas demand will be down substantially this week….who wants to drive anywhere now?
[15:44] <T_O_M> Ussama Ibn Ladin said about 3 weeks ago that “The United States will see an act of terror they have never seen before” told a reporter (Abd el-Bari Atwan) to Reuters
[15:44] <dabb> datek is closed, sites down too
[15:44] <Scorp^> verona, most firms shut down today
[15:44] <Jena> mflutie, on the other side of the coin, New Yorkers are lining up in the hundreds giving blood, and bringing food to those in the streets.
[15:44] <verona> thks
[15:45] <ZOOS150> anyone have any ideas when US might retaliate?
[15:45] *** Guest55422 is now known as JR_Ewing
[15:45] <lauf> rumors of the water being contaminated in the NYC area….
[15:45] <EricD> people will drive rather than fly StephenB
[15:45] <mk> hard to retaliate if you don’t know who did it
[15:45] <bucko> its one thing to profit, itsd another to take advantage of people during times of crisis
[15:45] <T_O_M> Zoos: i think within 48 hours
[15:45] <mflutie> mk…your comment & mine shows what makes the world go around…and was why earlier I said that politics / disagreements will return  given a short period of time
[15:45] <flier> EW YORK, Sep 11, 2001 (Xinhua via COMTEX) — A total of 266 people Tuesday
[15:45] <flier> were aboard the four planes that had crashed in the U.S., three of which caused
[15:45] <flier> devastating explosions in Washington and New York.
[15:45] <ZOOS150> I have a feeling they know
[15:45] <rjc> we have people that may be missing in NYC
[15:45] * Yogibear 3:44pm 09/11/01 STATES OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT IN VIRGINIA, MARYLAND
[15:45] <dieseldave> mk they know who did it
[15:45] <rjc> we had an office in the towers
[15:45] <StephenB> good point EricD
[15:46] <WallStArb> The FTSE 100 index of British blue chip shares closed down 5.7 percent from Monday’s close to 4,746.0. British Airways, which canceled its remaining flights to the United States after the attacks, was the biggest loser on the London exchange, diving 21 percent.
[15:46] <WallStArb> The Deutsche Boerse’s Xetra DAX index of leading German shares plummeted as much as 11.4 percent lower before recovering somewhat to close the day 8.5 percent lower at 4,273.53.
[15:46] <WallStArb> The Paris Stock Exchange’s CAC 40 index tumbled 7.4 percent to 4,059.75.
[15:46] <meebbie> on BBC they are saying that it takes +/- 1 to 3 hours to get %50 of the people out of the building…  that doesn’t sound good….
[15:46] <T_O_M> the US-Dollar lost about 2% to the EURO
[15:46] <mk> they only suspect who did it, they have to know who did it
[15:46] <JR_Ewing> anyone want to make a prediction as to when the financial markets will reopen?
[15:46] <dabb> 3:46pm 09/11/01   [MWD] MORGAN STANLEY SAYS WTC EMPLOYEES OK
[15:47] <Jane> TOM, where do you find that quote?
[15:47] <rjc> JR_ dont bet on tomorrow
[15:47] <rjc> it aint happening
[15:47] <flier> OTTAWA (Dow Jones)–Canadian media reported Tuesday that two Canadian F-18
[15:47] <flier> fighter jets have forced a Korean Airlines passenger plane bound for Alaska
[15:47] <flier> down in Whitehorse, Yukon and suspect that the plane has been hijacked by
[15:47] <flier> terrorists.
[15:47] <rjc> wow
[15:47] <JR_Ewing> maybe it is good for the markets to stay closed until things and people calm down some after this
[15:47] <meebbie> so if we assume that %50 got out in 1hour…. then we can assume that there were still about 5000 in each building
[15:47] <Aardvark> forced down means shot down or forced to land?
[15:48] <steevyd> Just in the german news: “The World Trade Center doesn’t exist anymore, unbelievable!”
[15:48] <StephenB> wow, if they have an airplane intact, they have a couple of suspects maybe…their 1st lead
[15:48] <flier> landed
[15:48] <symbiont> aardvark–means forced to land
[15:48] <songw> small piece of advice–we’re all traders–be an american first
[15:48] <Aardvark> tanks
[15:48] <mflutie> that Alaska flight could have been heading for the oil pipeline
[15:48] <DezertRat> what is tha CBC web site?
[15:48] <flier> The media report stressed the Canadian military hasn’t confirmed an actual
[15:48] <flier> terrorist situation, but, for safety reasons, they are treating the incident
[15:48] <flier> as a hijack situation until further clarification.
[15:48] <bear> www.cbc.ca
[15:49] <DezertRat> tks
[15:49] <verona> Italy here //almost all tv stations have special broadcast of terrorism act in usa
[15:49] <JR_Ewing> well, as an American … I would like to see our government take some serious action
[15:49] <Jane> verona, planning a trip to Italy in a couple of weeks, a little spooked about flying now
[15:49] <craigk2> JR, it will….unfortunately it will be ugly
[15:49] <craigk2> not like the gulf war
[15:50] <rjc> nukes
[15:50] <StephenB> no flights until 12 tomorrow
[15:50] <verona> jane good luck
[15:50] <JR_Ewing> but since it was only a matter of time until something like this happened … I am not too hopeful that any really serious action will be taken
[15:50] <rjc> dust them off
[15:50] <craigk2> this will require us going in and taking people out
[15:50] <bizee> gonna get ’em this time no letup til the leader is dead   imo
[15:50] <Photon> FORGET NUKES… sheesh
[15:50] <dieseldave> im sure they know who didi it
[15:50] <Photon> My God
[15:50] <Yogibear> Testing Bush is NOT a very prudent thing for these terrorists to do
[15:50] <craigk2> not nukes…cmon
[15:50] <JR_Ewing> what do you think we will do craigk2?
[15:50] <StephenB> wow…no flights…the rental car companies gonna be doing a lot of one way long distance renting
[15:50] <rjc> why did he go to Omaha?????
[15:50] <Mel1> everyone needs to go to the video store and rent “Deterence”
[15:51] <genaro> agree, bad idea Yogi
[15:51] <rjc> gas prices up here
[15:51] <JR_Ewing> I would imagine we have been trying to take out bin loudin for sometime now
[15:51] <finch> yes we have
[15:51] <craigk2> go in to Afganistan, Lybia, Lebenon…etc and extract groups with force
[15:51] <rjc> they will not let oil tankers come to port in LA
[15:51] <bucko> WHITE HOUSE TOLD FAA TO SUSPEND OPERATIONS UNTIL AT LEAST NOON
[15:51] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 15:52:11)
[15:51] <bucko> EDT WED
[15:51] <bucko>  MORE
[15:51] <craigk2> problem is they will unite over there and attack Israel
[15:51] <craigk2> there will most certainly be a war
[15:51] <tHEfED> http://www.overclockers.com/tips637/
[15:52] <Mel1> MINNEAPOLIS, Sep 11, 2001 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ — Memorial Blood Centers of
[15:52] <Mel1> Minnesota (MBCM) is open extended hours tonight and tomorrow as a first step in
[15:52] <Mel1> responding to the need for blood as a result of the terrorist attacks in New
[15:52] <Mel1> York City and Washington D.C. “There is no way to know what the ultimate need
[15:52] <Mel1> for blood and plasma will be,” said Jerry Haarmann, CEO of MBCM.
[15:52] <GoldenGoose> Biopure attention most likely
[15:52] <Hoover> mflute, what alaska flight?
[15:52] <Hoover> ohhh
[15:53] <Yogibear> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7B6492DED6%2D28A8%2D4817%2D85C5%2D0D0EA1648E8B%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=1&doctype=2008&property=&value=&categories=&
[15:53] <Photon> These news channels are wayyy behind #AT
[15:53] <Hatch> Don’t get it, Red Cross Donation centers were closed here in Columbus, Ohio when I tried to donate at noon. all phones have been busy ever since.  Called local news and they informed me local Red Cross didn’t want blood
[15:53] <Beeks> hatch – they are too busy – do it later in the week
[15:53] <craigk2> They have already called me here in Tallahassee asking me to come
[15:53] <mflutie> Hoover:   <flier> OTTAWA (Dow Jones)–Canadian media reported Tuesday that two Canadian F-18
[15:53] <mflutie> [15:48] <flier> fighter jets have forced a Korean Airlines passenger plane bound for Alaska
[15:53] <mflutie> [15:48] <flier> down in Whitehorse, Yukon and suspect that the plane has been hijacked by
[15:53] <mflutie> [15:48] <flier> terrorists
[15:54] <bear> Yukon plane was not hijacked, it was just low on fuel as per CTV news
[15:54] <Yogibear> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7B59833B74%2D5E51%2D48A1%2DBD58%2DDA6EE898C7EF%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=1&doctype=2008&property=&value=&categories=&
[15:54] <rjc> low on fuel?
[15:54] <Hatch> But why would the donation centers shut down and lock there doors ??, Am going to try lader though
[15:54] <rjc> i dont buy that
[15:54] <rjc> was it US bound?
[15:55] <rjc> lower 48?
[15:55] <bear> Alaska
[15:55] *** Guest15579 is now known as fugi
[15:55] <rjc> korean jet bound for alaska low on fuel? no way
[15:55] <Fester> Yes just low on fule, confirmed. It declared a fule emergency and has landed in Whitehorse
[15:55] <rjc> ok
[15:55] <rjc> maybe they kept it out
[15:55] <bizee> wouldn’t think alaska target, population in WTC prob more than whole state
[15:56] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Aircraft In Yukon Not A Hijack Situation
[15:56] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 15:56:43)
[15:56] <Hoover> I see now mflute
[15:56] <mflutie> I imagine THOSE pilots have some guns pointing at them until they can confirm it
[15:56] <Yogibear> In the aftermath of the terrorist attack, energy trading ceased on the New York Mercantile Exchange (Nymex.) Market participants, fearing an increase in oil prices, moved to cover short positions on the London exchange. Senior oil traders said it had been the most frenetic activity since the Gulf war in 1990.
[15:56] <Yogibear> “We’ve seen massive short covering funnelled into the London market. Companies such as mine have been evacuating their headquarters in New York and that is putting heavy pressure on the whole system here in London,” said Christopher Bellew, energy director at Prudential-Bache International.
[15:56] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Aircraft In Yukon Not A Hijack Situation
[15:56] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 15:56:43)
[15:56] <WallStArb> An earlier message from Morgan Stanley’s chairman, Philip Purcell, posted on the company’s Web site, expressed sadness and outrage at the attacks. It said the company had limited information about the disaster but “our key focus and concern are for the wellbeing and safety of Morgan Stanley employees.”
[15:56] <WallStArb>  Purcell added that “in spite of this tragedy, all of our businesses are functioning and will continue to function. We are committed to resume full operations as exchanges and markets reopen.
[15:56] <WallStArb>  “All our clients should rest assured that their assets are safe,” Purcell’s message said.
[15:56] <WallStArb>  Following a terrorist attack on the Trade Center in the early 1990s Morgan Stanley tightened security and took a series of steps to protect records. It is understood that computers containing financial and trading records are far from Wall Street to insure their wellbeing.
[15:56] <WallStArb>  Among the operations in the World Trade Center were believed the company’s bondtrading desk, as were some mutual fund personnel. Securities analysts are at the midtown Manhattan site, a company employee said.
[15:57] <StephenB> gas may not drop but diesel might…jet fuel and diesel are very similar, and the entire US air fleet just got 24 hours off
[15:57] <WallStArb> Massive short covering in what?
[15:57] <Yogibear> http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3QWIR1IRC
[15:57] <Yogibear> crude
[15:57] <Beeks> covering oil stocks
[15:57] <Yogibear> obviously heavily shorted
[15:58] <genaro> I would be covering Gold here too if I was short
[15:58] <rjc> oil rising here
[15:58] <WallStArb> where’s here?
[15:58] <Yogibear> that’s why gold is up
[15:58] <PT1> the black boxes, if found, should reveal clues as to the identities of the terrorists
[15:58] <rjc> some gas stations have low inventory (indep)
[15:58] <genaro> at this time wally
[15:58] <WallStArb> Why anyone would buy gold is beyond me
[15:58] <halfull> [15:56] <Yogibear> “We’ve seen massive short covering funnelled into the London market. Companies such as mine have been evacuating their headquarters in New York and that is putting heavy pressure on the whole system here in London,” said Christopher Bellew, energy director at Prudential-Bache International.
[15:58] <mojo912> i coverd 1500 CHKP this morning before i knew anything
[15:58] <shields> I bet Saddam wasn’t caught short here
[15:58] <WallStArb> Cant eat gold
[15:58] <Yogibear> http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
[15:58] <genaro> agree
[15:58] <mojo912> but still heavilly short
[15:58] <WallStArb> and if I am thirsty I cant drink it
[15:58] <nICK> just lost cable here
[15:59] <Yogibear> spot gold jumped $15
[15:59] <AV_OUT> where nick?
[15:59] <AnnaInVA> Hammer> CAMBRIDGE, Mass.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Sept. 11, 2001–With great sadness, Akamai Technologies, Inc. (Nasdaq:AKAM – news) today announced the passing of Daniel C. Lewin, co-founder, chief technology officer and board member of the Company. American Airlines confirmed that he was on board the Boston to Los Angeles flight that crashed in New York City today. Danny was 31 years old and is survived by his wife and two sons.
[15:59] <rjc> nick where you at?
[15:59] <FC>
2Markets
4CLOSED.
2Afterhours trading now in effect until 8 pm est
[15:59] <WallStArb> GOld seems like such an anacronism
[15:59] <nICK> hawaii
[15:59] <nICK> sheesh…this is spooky
[15:59] <rjc> hmm
[15:59] <genaro> but the perception of war, or uncertainty, will drive the price
[15:59] <EricD> where in hawaii nick? I’m on maui
[15:59] <nICK> big island
[15:59] <WallStArb> Gold stops bullets?
[15:59] <AV_OUT> tune in local radio nick – cable goes out pretty often here
[15:59] <Gipper> Gold was once “Emotional Security” for some but not anymore.
[16:00] <genaro> hi nICK, you bacj too
[16:00] <Pogo> good for giuliani: “we’ll show them how we stand up to terrorism: don’t be afraid, it’s as simple as that.”
[16:00] <nICK> yeah Gen
[16:00] <WallStArb> GOld never maintains its bounces
[16:00] <WallStArb> no one cares about it
[16:00] <AV_OUT> well nick – i think the big island is safe
[16:00] <Yogibear> gold is solid value, not a paper stock certificate
[16:00] <EricD> one thing we know is that new yorkers are tough. they will recover
[16:00] <WallStArb> Gold isnt valuable
[16:00] <Treller> Giuli close as were gonna get to th eFDR type we need right tnow
[16:00] <mflutie> anyone read a book called “Black Friday” by James Patterson? Destruction of the mkts as multi millions in bonds are stolen & sold to foreign gov’ts for ransom $$.  The destruction was  just a MAJOR way to steal… Not that this is the same..but the terrorists who did this obviously had destruction of the financial ability of the country as well
[16:00] <WallStArb> unless you want/need it
[16:00] <Suzanne> and if gold rallys, theres millions of sellers from the last 25 years to sell into any rally
[16:01] <Yogibear> there is millions of shorts on gold too
[16:01] <Suzanne> so it wouldnt maintain a level
[16:01] <WallStArb> Why bother covering gold if the world is coming to an end
[16:01] <StephenB> gold has little use except for a few electronic and industrial uses, and they’ve been figuring out how to use less and recycle more of it for some time now…  Jewlry only so important imo
[16:01] <WallStArb> chances are the brokerage firm will go under anyhow lol
[16:01] <Photon> Guiliano is doing a great job… right in the thick of it…. gotta admire him for that
[16:01] <Yogibear> this attack has no equal
[16:01] <WallStArb> I am sick of talking death and destruction
[16:01] <nICK> its back on…sorry just kind edgy here
[16:01] <songw> yes rudy stepped up
[16:01] <Yogibear> we don’t know the market reaction yet
[16:01] <WallStArb> we’ve had doom overload
[16:01] <Scorp^> that is what I keep telling my wife StephenB
[16:02] <StephenB> lol
[16:02] <Comp1> Seems like the White House is awful quiet.  Probably just trying to figure it out
[16:02] <AV_OUT> yep Wall – i’m getting burnt out already on this story
[16:02] <Pogo> we’ve got the picture now. we just need to get to work, start helping out
[16:02] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> mflutie, one wonders if any terrorists were short prior to today?  Authorities should look at large short positions
[16:03] <AV_OUT> comp – head scratching and butt covering
[16:03] <Yogibear> hey, anyone care where Chandra is now?
[16:03] <rmk> she was on American Flight 11
[16:03] <Comp1> hehe av
[16:03] <WallStArb> Well we can hope that Bin Laden drives a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires
[16:03] <mflutie> I was going to say that but was thinking it might be a kick comment,, but I TOTALLY agree with that
[16:03] <Mike> lol WallStArb
[16:03] <EricD> lol wally
[16:03] <Yogibear> I covered a short on IBM yesterday due to large options volumes in the Jan 110 strikes
[16:04] <Kitt> good chuckle wallst thank you
[16:04] <jobynimble> I come back here and see this drivel? Those of you getting sick of this story obviously could care less about the people this tragedy has affected…
[16:04] <Mike> are you sure that it bin laden did this
[16:04] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> It would be one way to finance operations
[16:04] <sp0> how many of you are shorting Airline stocks?
[16:04] <Yogibear> I lived in NY for five years
[16:04] <AV_OUT> i didn’t mean it to be funny – it’s just what politicians do at times like this
[16:04] <diesl> can they check options slso?
[16:05] <AV_OUT> Gov. Pitaki of NY was saying the right things this morning
[16:05] <WallStArb> I just sold my condo in Hoboken and still have an apartment on East 62nd street
[16:05] <locust> all shorting should be disallowed
[16:05] <locust> the ghouls shouldn be able to feast on this tragedy
[16:05] <WallStArb> Where my brother is living, he’s a NYPD Officer
[16:05] <StephenB> I didn’t realize we closed the borders several hours ago.
[16:05] <AV_OUT> glad to hear that Wall
[16:06] <AV_OUT> i’m sorry he lost a lot of his friends today
[16:06] <StephenB> both Canadian and Mexican ~12:30
[16:06] <Photon> << will not short when the mkt opens… if I have to, I’ll sit on my thumbs
[16:06] <PT1> it would be unpatriotic to sell/short on the first day of trading imo
[16:06] <mk> I doubt you’ll want to go short at the prices it opens at anyway
[16:06] <WallStArb> What will be a shame is how the US Media will take advantage of this horrible tragedy to their advantage —> should be no comemrcials allowed on any of the stations covering the news
[16:06] <bucko> i think you may be surprised
[16:06] <AV_OUT> sorry Wall – i thought you said your brother was ok – is he?
[16:07] <StephenB> I haven’t seen any commericial
[16:07] <Yogibear> 3:59pm 09/11/01   OSAMA BIN LADEN LINKED TO ATTACKS – CNN
[16:07] <MegaBite> Adm.  Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor ” I fear we have awakened the Sleeping Tiger”.  I hope the tiger is awake now!
[16:07] <sp0> stephenb, i reckon they are not closed, i read that the boarders are just on a high security alert
[16:07] <WallStArb> MY brother is OK
[16:07] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> I haven’t seen a commercial all day
[16:07] <AV_OUT> ok good – thanks wall
[16:07] <WallStArb> he was not near WTC
[16:07] <StephenB> Dan Rather said they were closed…course, he could be wrong
[16:07] <Photon> Great news Wally !
[16:07] <Jane> I haven’t seen a single commercial today Wall
[16:07] <Wizski> good news Wally.
[16:07] <codeblue> photon – just remember shorts also have to cover – they also help on the way out (disclaimer: flat the market)
[16:07] <WallStArb> Actually I havent seen one either
[16:07] <xstanx> it was reported all borders are CLOSED
[16:07] <Yojimbo> Any word on the suspected Yukon plane?
[16:07] <Suzanne> 3:59pm 09/11/01   OSAMA BIN LADEN LINKED TO ATTACKS – CNN
[16:07] <Photon> still will not contribute to doom
[16:07] <StephenB> several other non-news channels are dead air
[16:08] <Jane> cleared Yojimbo
[16:08] <WallStArb> Not much to blow up in the Yukon
[16:08] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Yukon not a hijack
[16:08] <AV_OUT> we’re all going to know someone – and i fear that for some of us it will be worse
[16:08] <Mel1> October Brent crude rose to an intraday high at $31.05 a barrel on the International Petroleum Exchange on Tuesday. The contract closed at $29.06, up $1.61, or 6 percent
[16:08] <bizee> was surfing channels soon after and noticed the shopping networks were closed for duration
[16:08] <WallStArb> I know alot of peopel at Cantor, especially since I come from the bond business
[16:08] <WallStArb> and Morgan Stanley
[16:08] <Yogibear> 4:07pm 09/11/01   ISRAEL’S PERES: U.S. SHOULD CONDEMN TERRORIST COUNTRIES
[16:08] <bobby44> KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) – Afghanistan’s hardline Taliban rulers condemned the devastating terrorist attacks in New York and Washington today and rejected suggestions that Osama bin Laden could be behind them. “We never support terrorism. We too are targets of terrorism,” Abdul Hai Muttmain, the Taliban’s spokesman in the southern city of Kandahar, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. After the attacks, a Londo
[16:08] <AV_OUT> well Pisani is OK – i like the guy
[16:08] <StephenB> media, airlines, brokerages, insurance..lots of $$ loss to add to personal loss
[16:08] <itchy> Bush lands safely in Nebraska per FOX
[16:09] <bobby44> followers of bin Laden warned three weeks ago that they would carry out a “huge and unprecedented attack” on U.S. interests.
[16:09] <Beeks> Bill Meehan – commentator on The Street.com was on the 105th floor with Cfitz
[16:09] <Comp1> Its good to see the people of CNBC are OK
[16:09] <AV_OUT> they’ll be new names in the news for weeks
[16:09] <mk> I hope that they will rethink the logic of building so high and so close together, the logic of putting so many people and so much of our country’s wealth into suck an easily attacked space
[16:09] <Mel1> Until it’s really clear who’s responsible, “there will be a lot of uncertainty in the oil industry and (refiners) are going to want buy oil for inventory in order to protect against sanctions against Iraq or some kind or Iran, for example, if they turned out to be responsible,” said Michael Lynch, chief energy economist at DRI-WEFA, a unit of Global Insight
[16:09] <Segman> .
[16:09] <WallStArb> CNBC got my email re MSDW
[16:09] <AV_OUT> yep comp – but i’m afraid they’ve lost some good friends
[16:09] <WallStArb> 20 minutes late
[16:10] <WallStArb> but atleast they are reporting
[16:11] <bucko> building 7 in trouble now
[16:11] <matsuokah> cnn reporting #7 wtc on fire, in danger of collapse
[16:11] <mflutie> link to Bin Laden “warning”   http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/wl/crash_tradecenter_binladen_dc_1.html
[16:11] <sail> DJ 16:10 DJ Securities Industry Uncertain On Terrorist Toll, Mkt
[16:11] <Mel1> ISRAEL’S PERES: U.S. SHOULD CONDEMN TERRORIST COUNTRIES
[16:11] <sail> how many buildings at wtc?
[16:11] <Yogibear> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7B60090A8A%2DB533%2D461D%2DAABE%2DBC6EAFFBD80B%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=2&doctype=2007&property=&value=&categories=&
[16:11] <detexb> abc has coverage of the site
[16:12] <sail> MW 16:11 ANOTHER BUILDING IN WTC COMPLEX ON COLLASPING – CNN
[16:12] <sail> MW 16:11 BUILDING 7 IN WTC ON FIRE, ABOUT TO COLLASPE – CNN
[16:12] <Aardvark> anyone know what source of warning to americans in japan just a few days ago was?
[16:12] <AV_OUT> not another one
[16:12] <Treller> For diversion folks might want to visit Gold Forum at www.kitco.com – a wide open economics/gold board. Been reading it for months.
[16:12] <WallStArb> 98 billion dollars lost on UK market falling 10%
[16:12] <WallStArb> shoot GE and MSFT fall 10% and we lost that much
[16:12] <Treller> loads slow
[16:13] <sail> vol gonna be so heavy it’ll be just about impossible to get an execution
[16:14] <Fester> Alberta Premier has contacted the Prime Ministerof Canada to contribute military help in protecting the oil pipe lines that carry oil to U.S.
[16:14] <boardsport> has everyone seen this picture?     http://www.drudgereport.com/
[16:14] <Mel1> PENTAGON DENIES RUMOR THAT PENNSYLVANIA JET SHOT DOWN
[16:15] <gtt> did they ground all airplanes including private?
[16:15] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Building 7 At World Trade Center On Fire – CNN
[16:15] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 16:15:56)
[16:15] <mflutie> how about that! Pentagon denies rumor…just what I mentioned hours ago…and even with the denial, don’t be so sure it didn’t happen
[16:15] <xstanx> yes gtt
[16:15] <bucko> AMERICAN STOCK EXCHANGE, NASDAQ SAY TO REMAIN CLOSED THROUGH
[16:15] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 16:15:28)
[16:15] <bucko> WEDNESDAY
[16:15] <bucko>  REUTERS
[16:15] <bucko> no qqq
[16:16] <gtt> im stilll worried for washington, la, and chicago
[16:16] <mflutie> boardsport…that’s the first I’ve seen of that angle picture
[16:16] <dabb> big archive of photos at http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b9e22211a41.htm
[16:16] <bucko> AMEX, NASDAQ, NYSE SAY TO DECIDE ON WEDNESDAY, WITH SEC INPUT,
[16:16] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 16:16:46)
[16:16] <bucko> ON WHEN TO RE-OPEN
[16:16] <bucko>  REUTERS
[16:17] <spx> http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/storytemplate/storymultipic/0,,30000-1029106,00.html “A man inside the World Trade Centre, in a trading room on one of the top floors, said on the phone: “We’re f***ing dying in here,” and hung up. People could be heard screaming and yelling in the background”
[16:18] <Mel1> SENATE MAY BE CALLED BACK INTO SESSION – CNN
[16:18] <theMAXX> of course
[16:18] <theMAXX> they should
[16:18] <mx-kid> markets closed tomorrow
[16:18] <Comp1> they better
[16:18] <xstanx> planes are flying missles i wonder what kind of guns got through security
[16:18] <rjc> what security
[16:18] <prttrdr> it looks like they used knives
[16:18] *** Guest65547 is now known as max-
[16:18] <xstanx> how this could happen
[16:18] <rjc> they chose some weak airports
[16:18] <xstanx> maybe
[16:19] <rjc> boston is a joke
[16:19] <rjc> newark is too
[16:19] <Beeks> u can bring a small knife on a plane
[16:19] <rjc> and morning flights are lax
[16:19] <rjc> i have noticed that the service people on planes are not restricted much
[16:20] <duke1> anyone with martial arts training could hijack a plane just a thought
[16:20] <rjc> they come on planes and could stash weapons
[16:20] <StephenB> I’m all for military people being armed on any flight I’m on
[16:20] <Scorp^> a friend of mine is a Constable, they let him carry his loaded pistol on the plane
[16:20] <bobby44> they pay those security people at newark and jfk not much more than minimum wage.
[16:20] <Comp1> Thanks to every one here.  Extremely informative as usual.  Gotta go take care of business
[16:20] <rjc> newark sucks
[16:21] <rjc> been there more than a few times
[16:21] <corruptor> world!
[16:21] <corruptor> world
[16:21] <Scorp^> !world
[16:21] <JOHNNYBOY> i think there are guns not made of metal that can easily evade metal detectors
[16:21] <codeblue> US military denying rumor that PA plane was shot down by USAF: repeat – USAF denies they shot down the plane in PA
[16:21] <corruptor> hmmm
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[16:22] <rjc> it was headed for camp david?
[16:22] <rjc> wow
[16:22] <stockwolf> NYSE closed tomorow per bloomberg
[16:22] <rjc> look at France
[16:22] <DezertRat> CNN structural engineer says WTC was designed to withstand a 707 strike
[16:22] <DezertRat> back in 70s
[16:22] <rjc> oh yeah?
[16:23] <rjc> strike yes fire no
[16:23] <xstanx> cant believe no metal trap doors were designed to protect the pilots in case of take over the metal door could slam down to seal the pilots off
[16:23] <Yogibear> the doors are pretty flimsy
[16:23] <xstanx> right
[16:23] <bubbles> they didn’t need to pilots to fly the plane
[16:23] <mflutie> you don’t need guns on a plane to hijack it.. a trained person could use a great deal of common “non” lethal objects to do harm, A PEN could be a lethal weapon in trained hands
[16:24] <djr> anyone know a site for real time asian market info?
[16:24] *** Guest50603 is now known as yahoo
[16:24] <Yogibear> The pilots had no idea what the objective of the hijack was
[16:24] <Bubba> i was thinking of auto pilot in the event of high jacking as a defense
[16:24] <yahoo> http://quote.yahoo.com/m2
[16:24] <bubbles> all you’d need to do is program the flight director and the plan would fly itself into the building
[16:24] <mflutie> look ar CNN!
[16:24] <mflutie> ametuer video as it happened
[16:25] <bubbles> wow
[16:25] <sp0> are banks closed today? because i need to get my money out and put it in my nuclear bomb shelter hide-out , located in the destert
[16:25] <bubbles> did you hear the noise?
[16:25] <Sandman> dabb – unbelievable photos….thanks
[16:25] <Dionysus-> um, those plans have altitude controls that wont let it fly below a certain altitude on autopilot
[16:25] <mflutie> the noise was incredible!
[16:25] <rjc> sp0: my folks got money out
[16:25] <rjc> sp0: most banks are closes
[16:25] <sp0> hmm
[16:25] *** Scorp is now known as Guest98059
[16:25] <Dionysus-> bank machines 🙂
[16:25] <mflutie> as the rubble was coming at him he said ” I hope I live, I hope I live” CALMLY
[16:26] <DezertRat> he’s british
[16:26] <rjc> dionysus get there fast
[16:26] *** Guest98059 is now known as Scorp^
[16:26] <Photon> Gutsey guy
[16:26] <bubbles> dion – that’s not true – they are overridable – especially since that Airbus crash at that Air show where the autopilot overrode the pilot
[16:26] <DezertRat> stiff upper lip
[16:26] <sp0> i need to make a large bank transfer to my broker so i can short american airlines
[16:26] <stockpimp> CNN video now unreal
[16:26] <Aardvark> who is the camerman?
[16:26] <rjc> you are bad
[16:26] <bizee> CNN showing home video made by Dr.  eerie
[16:26] <bubbles> mflutie – it sounded like a jet engine – the building falling did
[16:26] <mflutie> a Dr on the street
[16:26] <rjc> sp0 = bad
[16:27] <Hatch> Says Dr Mark Heath
[16:27] <DezertRat> CNN showing the nuclear winter
[16:27] <sp0> rjc, money does not have a conscience
[16:27] <sail> DJ 16:27 DJ Senate\House Leaders Hope To Reconvene Later Tuesday
[16:27] <rjc> sp0: you cant invest it
[16:28] <stockwolf> hey
[16:28] <mflutie>  sp). I don’t pray very often, sad to say, but tonight I will pray for the people of this disaster..and will put in an adendum pray to give you a soul
[16:28] <Photon> I’m amazed that the executive and legislative branches allowed themselves to be literally shut down by this
[16:29] <rjc> photon what would you do?
[16:29] <prttrdr> government is fully functtional
[16:29] <sp0> market is not going to be open tomorrow
[16:29] <Photon> We have essentually had no federal guidance all day
[16:29] <Merik–> how’d the dollar respond overseas to this?
[16:29] <prttrdr> fucntional
[16:29] <prttrdr> err
[16:29] <rjc> sp0 or thursday
[16:29] <sail> no choice but to shut down
[16:29] <prttrdr> dollar is down big overseas
[16:29] *** stockpimp was kicked by tHEfED (banned)
[16:29] <StephenB> (REUTERS)    BUSH TO LEAVE OFFUTT AIR FORCE BASE SHORTLY FOR UNKNOWN
[16:29] <Photon> Coulda fooled me prt
[16:29] <^maxim^> erd building on fire to colapse?
[16:29] <rjc> Colorado
[16:30] <xstanx> i had sympathy towards the palestinians till i saw them laughing and partying in the streets
[16:30] <Mel1> MAJOR U.S. STOCK EXCHANGES TO STAY CLOSED WED – CNN
[16:30] <^maxim^> 3rd
[16:30] <prttrdr> photon  what is not functioning governmentally?
[16:30] <sp0> rjc, where did you get this news about market closed on thursday
[16:30] <StephenB> yeah, I’ve been sympathetic too…..not now
[16:30] <dieseldave> yep bld no.7
[16:30] <Mel1> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/default.asp?siteid=mktw
[16:30] <xstanx> right steph
[16:30] <Photon> One that does not maintain contact with a peoples under fire
[16:31] <xstanx> no more
[16:31] <prttrdr> what specifically are u looking for?
[16:31] <Treller> Got to retool my ideas about morality when I watch these Palestinians. Got to figure out what makes them tick. Beyond me.
[16:31] <prttrdr> a barage of politicians  on tv  saying   stay calm?
[16:31] <T_O_M> 4:26 Major U.S. stock exchanges to stay closed Wed – CNN
[16:31] <`rambler> spokesman said the celebrants were just street kids
[16:31] <StephenB> Fox crawler saying Bush returning to DC
[16:31] <Photon> Someone like Guiliano… how bout that for starters
[16:32] *** Kitt- is now known as Kitt
[16:32] <Treller> rambler OK so there leadership isn’t lauding this I guess?
[16:32] <T_O_M> 3:59pm 09/11/01   OSAMA BIN LADEN LINKED TO ATTACKS – CNN
[16:32] <StephenB> as I said earlier, some people celebrated Reagan’s brush with death…consider the source and ignore their comments/actions
[16:32] <prttrdr> he held a very informative  sober and reassuring press conf  and is now back to the work of saving manhattan
[16:32] <xstanx> watching laughing food eating clapping palestinians dancing in the street makes me really mad
[16:32] <rjc> maybe no NFL?
[16:32] <`rambler> right tr
[16:32] <itchy> Bush now headed to Washington per FOX
[16:33] <Treller> tx neede that
[16:33] <locust> girlfriend works on naval base   it’s locked down nobody comes and nobody goes  maybe there for the night  ThreatCon Delta – the highest readiness
[16:33] <rjc> dont count on it
[16:33] <WallStArb> Locust you dating a sailer?
[16:33] <DezertRat> lol
[16:33] <rjc> lol
[16:33] <JDal> NO TRADING TOMORROW they says
[16:33] <sp0> rjc, do you have a news source about the market being closed on thursday, or was that a joke i didn’t get?
[16:33] <locust> no she’s a database person
[16:34] <locust> civilian contractor
[16:34] <ertyuio> i want you to know that some  overseas bases were on alert  at  3 a.m. eastern time
[16:34] <T_O_M> Akamai co-founder killed in N.Y. jetliner crash 3:53pm ET 09/11/01
[16:34] <Suzanne> locust? connieo?
[16:34] <bucko> MRV Communications Mourns the Loss of Chief Financial Officer Edmund Glazer
[16:34] <bucko> (PR Newswire 09/11 16:34:51)
[16:34] <Gipper> I live near a marine air base in San Diego [the ones that patrol the no fly zone in Iraq]  It is normally busy but there has not been a fighter take off or land all day long.
[16:34] <locust> yes suzanne
[16:34] <Suzanne> 🙁
[16:34] <Photon> Malls all closed here in Cinti
[16:34] <QuickSilver> great another day off tomorrow
[16:34] <locust> she’s fine  just hungry  cafeteria is in the next building over and nobody allowed outside
[16:34] <sail> DJ 16:33 *DJ President Bush Returning To White House – Spokesman
[16:34] <gauss> GW must resotre cofidence in US world and financial martkets.
[16:35] <rjc> mail delivery will be slow
[16:35] <PMA> photon closing here in dayton also
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[16:35] <locust> justtalked to my mom in chocago   local malls all closed   whole country shutting down it seems
[16:35] <mflutie> malls closed here in Long Island
[16:35] <bizee> are airports all over evacuated?  suprised haven’t seen video of chaos in say Chicago airport
[16:35] <xstanx> calif shut down as well
[16:35] <gtt> gipper, i think theyre using lemore and fresno
[16:35] <Gipper> may be
[16:35] <rjc> barely got out of LA
[16:35] <Suzanne> austin too
[16:35] <Photon> National emergency of unprecidented proportions
[16:35] <DB_Cooper> and Wa. malls
[16:36] <rjc> some freeways were shut
[16:36] <xstanx> everything in calif is closed bridges will get closed next imo
[16:36] <rjc> trains stopped for a while
[16:36] <Suzanne> its like rats in a maze trying to get home, my dad just came from there, he called me
[16:36] <locust> new world order crowd better not get any ideas
[16:36] <codeblue> they closed golden gate already to ped/bicycle traffic
[16:36] <patman> just what the bastids wanted to do stroke fear in the hearts of americans
[16:36] <rjc> maybe it was them
[16:36] <Photon> These survivalists love this stuff
[16:36] <Mel1>  I live in Beaumont tx and it was incredible going to the bank a few hours ago….and the lines at the gas pumps
[16:36] <sail> MW 16:36 MRV COMMS SAYS CFO GLAZER KILLED ON AMERICAN FLIGHT [MRVC]
[16:36] <codeblue> people are more angry than afraid, imo
[16:36] <bizee> my worksite DOE site, it was cleared at 10am pst,  said other DOE sites also cleared
[16:37] <rjc> i wonder how the gun stores are doing
[16:37] <beck> BBC showing people jumping from the windows
[16:37] <xstanx> water dams in calif being protected as well
[16:37] <locust> wallstreet gonna be hit hard with losses of important people
[16:37] *** Suzanne is now known as SuziAway
[16:37] <SuziAway> <– off to the gas station heh
[16:37] <locust> nobody i’ve talked to is afraid   all are mad as hornets
[16:37] <Mel1> I still haven’t seen an estimate of the death toll
[16:37] <codeblue> same here locust
[16:38] <PMA> est over 10000
[16:38] <xstanx> everyone was at work
[16:38] <diesl> no they wernt
[16:39] <mflutie> where did you get 10,00 est?
[16:39] <xstanx> news said they were
[16:39] <mflutie> 10000
[16:39] <Mel1> if EVERYONE was at work the toll will approach 50.000
[16:39] <prttrdr> its time like these when you see which countries are our friends and which are our enemies
[16:39] <diesl> after 1st attack  they had 15 minuets to get out of 2nd building
[16:39] <bizee> but they had some time to get out Mel
[16:39] <Photon> 18
[16:39] <itchy> I have heard estimates of dow 8000 Naz 1280
[16:39] <bubbles> this will have a huge effect on the economies of all countries
[16:40] <^maxim^> good comentary onCNN
[16:40] <sail> plus collateral damage, rescue workers and surrounding buildings
[16:40] <rjc> itchy: that is possible
[16:40] <Graco> All planes were headed to California. Full tanks>
[16:40] <prttrdr> what i found a bit odd was that many companies continued to put out business press releases today
[16:40] <bizee> they probably were in the mill already
[16:41] <Yojimbo> They were also all BOEINGS, maybe the pilots were quick-trained to fly only those.
[16:41] <prttrdr> qvc  home shopping  vh1  all suspended operations out of respect
[16:41] <Photon> Briefing.com shut down
[16:41] <Photon> at about noon
[16:41] <codeblue> most of the PR is done days in advance
[16:41] <prttrdr> mtv continued to play music
[16:41] <boardsport> MRV COMMUNICATIONS <MRVC.O> SAYS CFO DIES IN AMERICAN AIRLINES
[16:41] <boardsport> (Reuters 09/11 16:39:58)
[16:41] <boardsport> FLIGHT
[16:41] <boardsport>  REUTERS
[16:41] <boardsport> S.RT  MRVC-O US.R MRVC
[16:41] <finch> many pr releases are sent far in advance and embargoed til a certain time
[16:41] <StephenB> briefing signed off several hours ago
[16:41] <jimr> why shouldn’t they ? The world hasn’t ended
[16:41] <prttrdr> aha tks code and finch
[16:41] *** Guest44951 is now known as lola
[16:41] <Graco> A lot of flags at half mast. The one in my yard is.
[16:41] <prttrdr> from many manhattanites it has
[16:41] <sail> DJ 16:42 DJ Building 7\Fire\Collapse -2: No Official Confirmation
[16:41] <Mel1>   NewsFinder
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[16:41] <Mel1>  4:40pm 09/11/01   Mutual Understanding: Mutual fund redemptions halted – Craig Tolliver
[16:41] <prttrdr> for
[16:42] <beck> another bldg leaning. could fall
[16:42] <mflutie> this one is weird and scarey… that post from Yahoo earlier that was posted yesterday predicting destruction,,, someone just posted this on SI
[16:42] <mflutie> The center of the earth and the northeast region will be destroyed…that leaves tomorrow through friday
[16:42] <mflutie> Today is the 11th.
[16:42] <mflutie> Flight 93 add the numbers together = 12
[16:42] <mflutie> Flight 175 = 13
[16:42] <mflutie> Flight 77 = 14
[16:42] <xstanx> mf link please
[16:42] <mflutie> the flight numbers  were chosen specifically?
[16:43] <JDal> Nostradamus: “In the year of the new century and nine months,
[16:43] <JDal> From the sky will come a great King of Terror…
[16:43] <JDal> The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
[16:43] <JDal> Fire approaches the great new city…”
[16:43] <JDal> 2001 is the first year of the new century and this is the 9th month.
[16:43] <JDal> New York is located at the 41st degree Latitude.
[16:43] <mflutie> don’t have the link,, copied it from a Lion.com post
[16:43] <Photon> Who halted redemptions of mutual fund ?
[16:43] <codeblue> flutie got the SI URL?
[16:43] <prttrdr> these nostradamus quatrains are freaking me right out
[16:44] * Yogibear 4:37pm 09/11/01 PRESIDENT BUSH TO RETURN TO WHITE HOUSE LATE TUESDAY
[16:44] <sail> A violent struggle with knife-wielding terrorists took place outside the cockpit of one of two hijacked planes before it slammed into the World Trade Center Tuesday morning, a flight attendant on board reported to American Airlines before her death.
[16:44] <PT1> Tuesday September 11 8:53 AM ET BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Iraq said Tuesday its air defenses had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance plane, the second such incident in two weeks.
[16:44] <PT1> “A second U.S. spy plane has been brought down by Iraqi air defenses in the south today,” the official Iraqi News Agency INA reported.
[16:44] <bizee> http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16333300&s=Flight%20175
[16:44] <mflutie> no on link ,, I will try to get it
[16:44] <sail> “A flight attendant on that plane was apparently able to call the American Airlines operations center to tell them that two flight attendants had been stabbed and that the perpetrators had broken into the flight deck,” ABC Radio News reported.
[16:45] <mflutie> nthanks bizee
[16:45] <sail> perpatrators — looks like locust got it right, maybe no guns involved
[16:45] <prttrdr> i would suggest that all cockpits will be guarded by full armed and trained US Marines
[16:45] <gold> sail ..you have a link ?
[16:45] <bucko> DJN: DJ NATO Allies Declare US Can Count On Their Support
[16:45] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 16:46:16)
[16:45] <sail> MW 16:45 BUILDING 5 AT WTC MAY BE COLLASPSING – CNN
[16:45] <sail> http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/9/11/153706
[16:45] <gold> thx
[16:45] <bubbles> does anyone know what the closest air base – naval or air force – is to NYC?
[16:46] <Dionysus-> yeah
[16:46] <Gipper> Those so called spy planes that Iraq says they are shooting down are unmaned and sub-sonic.
[16:46] <Dionysus-> bubbles: it’s called an aircraft carrier
[16:46] <locust> fox has perez from israel on now
[16:46] <bubbles> this morning?
[16:46] <gold> those planed fly 150 mph
[16:46] <word> anyone hearing anything about japan attacks/
[16:46] <word> ?
[16:46] <StephenB> guns always to blame, trouble is people learn to use ordinary things like knives, airplanes, bare hands…but watch…there will be fresh calls for gun control
[16:46] <Aardvark> bubbles .Ft Stewart I think in NY
[16:46] <xstanx> bush should take iraq’s shooting at us as a act of war imo
[16:46] <bubbles> thx
[16:47] <locust> stephen anti gun control ?
[16:47] <corruptor> japan attacks word?
[16:47] <corruptor> where are u getting that from?
[16:47] <word> not verified
[16:47] <StephenB> I am anti gun control very much
[16:47] <word> just message boards
[16:47] <rjc> what attacks?
[16:47] <sail> gun control is part of the problem, not a solution
[16:47] <word> nothing more then what i just said
[16:47] <locust> good
[16:47] <locust> i thought you were of the other opinion at some time in the past
[16:47] <a> whatta day
[16:47] <corruptor> hopefully nothing more
[16:47] <Gipper> sail yep
[16:48] <corruptor> i can’t take much more
[16:48] <Scorp^> have a guy on the phone again in Oklahoma City – gas $7.00/gallon right now
[16:48] <boardsport> no way
[16:48] <Scorp^> these folks gonna get busted
[16:48] <Scorp^> yep
[16:48] <StephenB> MAYBE if some law abiding citizens had guns on board, we’d only have a few people dead instead of thousands…..never know for sure
[16:48] <sunnyyyy> omg
[16:48] <boardsport> wow
[16:48] <Scorp^> told him to take a photo
[16:48] <Mel1> ok…try this link to the Nostradamus thingie :http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm
[16:49] <sail> yep stepphenb
[16:49] <boardsport> someone going to jail over that one.
[16:49] <`rambler> good point stephen
[16:49] <Scorp^> news crews are out there filming it too
[16:49] <mflutie> what person would PAY $7.00 a gal .. ?
[16:49] <sail> MW 16:50 MORGAN STANLEY CEO: ABOUT 3,500 EMPLOYEES WORK IN WTC [MWD]
[16:49] <bubbles> lol..mytrack is still functioning enough to send me an email telling me I have a margin call.
[16:49] <bizee> that SI post scaring me
[16:49] <yahoo> why need gun, does any one carry pepper spray onboard
[16:49] <StephenB> some will say that the gun might have caused the plane to crash…well, running into the wtc certainly wasn’t much better
[16:50] <boardsport> stephenb is not anti gun control.  he is pro us constitution.
[16:50] <PT1> more on Iraq: INA said the incident was revenge for eight Iraqis killed by a U.S. and British air raid Sunday. The Pentagon at that time said U.S. and British warplanes had attacked three surface-to-air missile sites in the southern no-fly zone as part of a campaign to disable Baghdad’s air defenses
[16:50] <StephenB> If I were about to commandeer a plane with a knife, and I thought that 10 or 20 passengers might open fire on me….well, that is something to think about
[16:51] <Beeks> what SI post
[16:51] <Merik–> if ppl could have guns aboard planes i don’t think he would have been using a knife.
[16:51] <Yogibear> looks like a return to the Sky Marshal’s
[16:51] <StephenB> in NO case would it have been pretty, but it might very well have been a lot less than this
[16:51] <igtky> The US should respond to such dasterdly deeds. Those terrorists should not get away with it.
[16:51] <StephenB> yes, Merik, but a gun fight on a plane isn’t the same thing as a vaporized wtc
[16:52] <StephenB> well, jmho
[16:52] <ZOOS150> I think we retaliate tonight
[16:52] <Yogibear> CIA, FBI, and NRO are going to be working late
[16:52] <igtky> We should retaliate.
[16:52] <PT1> <—would not be surprised if Iraq was somehow involved in today’s attack
[16:52] <itchy> Watch Asia TANK tonight
[16:52] <bubbles> it’s already tonight over there
[16:52] <pttrdr> retaliate how?
[16:52] <igtky> hundreds of people died in WTC. The terrorists must be thought a lesson.
[16:52] <sail> gun will just cause decompressin, not necessarly crashthe plane
[16:52] <rjc> you know!!!
[16:52] <Treller> No Asia Japan anyway per BBC
[16:52] <pre-cha> anyone know if globex will open tonight?
[16:52] <igtky> anyway possible.
[16:52] <StephenB> igtky, it’ll be thousands
[16:52] <pttrdr> bombing a country to get a terrorist  is like bombing a neighborhood to catch a murderer
[16:53] <Yogibear> I’d say a billion people will be impacted financially
[16:53] <Yojimbo> If Afghanistan doesn’t give up Ben Ladin, we should go in and get him anyway.
[16:53] <igtky> if the US eats this one and does nothing, there will be more attacks in the future.
[16:53] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Plane not pressurized at such low altitudes as today
[16:53] <theMAXX> you actually think Ben Ladin would come over here alive to stand trial
[16:53] <theMAXX> yeah right
[16:53] <theMAXX> what’s done is done
[16:53] <igtky> The terrorists must learn that there is a price to pay for such a deed.
[16:53] <Yojimbo> Dead or Alive makes no difference to me
[16:53] <yahoo> what price
[16:54] <sp0> I cannot find the American Airlines and United Airlines stock symbols, someone please post the symbols
[16:54] <igtky> What is done is not done. It will happen again, if the us acts impotent it will surely happen
[16:54] <igtky> again
[16:54] <theMAXX> you make sure these things don’t happen in the first place – see what 10 years of weakened military and national defense has gotten us?
[16:54] <igtky> This is short of the Japanese attacking perl harbor.
[16:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> AMR  UAL
[16:54] <PMA> aa ual
[16:54] <Yogibear> this is wrose than pearl harbor
[16:54] <^maxim^> ancient Chinesse Curse: “may all your wishes come true”
[16:54] <StephenB> a bullet hole might cause a blow out or just a smaller, less explosive leak, and only if the altitude was in excess of 10K feet anyway
[16:54] <sp0> thank you mr fast eddit
[16:55] <sail> yep maxx, doesn’t help any
[16:55] <skifreak> agreed maxx
[16:55] <igtky> The state of the military for the last 10 has nothing to do with what happened today.
[16:55] <Treller> Maxx read posts at www.military.com or just talk to any service person
[16:55] <theMAXX> sure it does
[16:55] <xstanx> themaxx short of a police state i see no way of fighting against this type of attack
[16:55] <Gipper> All those people that bitterly complained about the way the CIA once handled things will have to rethink the situation.
[16:55] <igtky> They need to close down Raegon Airport, it is just a candidate from an attack to government.
[16:55] <Mel1> AA UAL
[16:55] <xstanx> they could have taken a small plane loaded it with explosive to do the same thing
[16:55] <sail> sure it does, when we are we weak become a  real BIG target
[16:55] <bucko> WHITE HOUSE SAYS BUSH TO ADDRESS NATION TUESDAY NIGHT, NO TIME
[16:55] <bucko> (Reuters 09/11 16:56:31)
[16:55] <bucko> GIVEN
[16:55] <bucko>  MORE
[16:56] <Treller> good points all
[16:56] <Scorp^> sail, was reading log – gunshot will NOT cause decompression in a plane
[16:56] <igtky> They should have survailance equipment to detect planes coming near imported cities and they could be
[16:56] <igtky> shut down.
[16:56] <Mel1> WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) – An already feeble U.S. economy could be hobbled by the biggest act of terrorist aggression in U.S. history, forcing the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates earlier or deeper than was expected before Tuesday’s events, analysts said
[16:56] <igtky> if there is time.
[16:56] <Dionysus-> “may you live in interesting times” – chinese proverb
[16:56] <igtky> if you have an airport next door there is no time to shoot a plane down.
[16:56] <sail> scorp, not even if it penetrates the skin?
[16:56] <skifreak> when a ship gets bombed by a rubber dingie we are weak imo
[16:56] <Scorp^> correct
[16:56] <theMAXX> don’t think the recent decline in the stock market is unrelated to all this
[16:57] <PMA> guys guys its not a gunshot thru the plane it was like a kamakee believeing in there fate
[16:57] <Scorp^> they already have larger ventilation holes in them than a gunshot will cause
[16:57] <sail> k
[16:57] <igtky> it is exactly kamakazee move.
[16:57] <dumper> Explosive would not have burned as long as gas plus would have been much harder to load a plane
[16:57] <bobby44> any anti death penalty people here?or willing to admit it ?
[16:57] <sp0> This air line stuff, is this in part a result of air line deregulation?
[16:57] <dw> As a structural engineer, I find it hard to believe that authorities did not anticipate collaspe of these buildings due to the tremendous heat generated.
[16:57] <theMAXX> death penalty won’t work with these terrorist
[16:57] <theMAXX> the welcome it
[16:58] <theMAXX> they have won this one – it’s sad but true
[16:58] <Photon> amen
[16:58] <bobby44> well they cant plan from prison
[16:58] <Yojimbo> They’ll change flight patterns around the Pentagon now; I’m sure alot of new regulations will be in the works, and the airlines will be footing a good part of the bill.
[16:58] <theMAXX> we make sure it doesn’t happen again
[16:58] <StephenB> yup, score one for the Dark Side
[16:58] <Scorp^> yes, brings them closer to Allah
[16:58] <spx> Salomon Brothers building downtown manhattan has also collapsed! breaking news!
[16:58] <igtky> bush should live up to words and execute the anti-terrorts plan.
[16:58] <DB_Cooper> BBC tv saying Salomon bldg collapse
[16:58] <xstanx> dw the steel gets coated with a anti heat chemical but no way to fight that type of heat
[16:58] <bobby44> and it gives some rlief to survivors
[16:58] <sail> remember that hawaiin airplane that had stress fractures that blew out and a few passengers got sucked out?? even that planes didn’t crash with a massive whole in its side
[16:59] <Aardvark> may force a lot more teleconferencing as airline flight becomes too expensive
[16:59] <boardsport> cnn showing flight path of planes
[16:59] <Sandman> dw – I think they knew but rescue is more important
[16:59] <igtky> If they write this off as loss, it will shurely happen again.
[16:59] <PMA> yojimbo it was not flight patterns it was the person driving it could have been directed at your house
[16:59] <Photon> If you note history, the “dark side” never has much tenure
[16:59] <StephenB> interesting flight plan stuff on CNN
[16:59] <pttrdr> ABC
[16:59] <pttrdr> look at this
[16:59] <Scorp^> hole !!! half of 1st class was gone on that one
[16:59] <pttrdr> ABC has close up of plane into building
[16:59] <mflutie> CNN showing flight movement
[16:59] <pttrdr> they are going to rerun they said
[16:59] <skifreak> insurance stocks will get hit hard probably
[16:59] <Yojimbo> They’ll change the rules regardless of who’s flying
[16:59] <theMAXX> not trying to be crude here – but one very weak positive and I hate to mention this – but this will be cause for a ton of new construction downtown NYC – which means jobs – new computer equip – new office equip – etc etc
[16:59] <locust> theMAXX  you sayin the market anticipated this ?
[16:59] <theMAXX> sorry if that offends
[16:59] <Aardvark> be crazy if this is the “killer app” that pushes broadband into wide use
[17:00] <pttrdr> here it is
[17:00] <theMAXX> no – not saying we anticipated it
[17:00] <Yogibear> should be a big demand for dump trucks
[17:00] <pttrdr> oh man
[17:00] <theMAXX> but I bet there were forces outside that helped cause the recent downturn in us markets
[17:00] <bear> i thought the same thing maxx
[17:00] <locust> anyuone else might have been kicked for that observation maxx
[17:00] <PMA> maxx you right there but alot of offices and revenues lost in that area
[17:00] <pttrdr> the plane completely disappeared into the building
[17:00] <petral> could be some serious panic first though maxx
[17:00] <theMAXX> never have we been more subject to outside influences than over the last 2 years – market wise
[17:00] <theMAXX> we will rebuild
[17:00] <theMAXX> it’s what we do
[17:00] <locust> planes are very flimsy if you look at them up close
[17:01] <Scorp^> WOW, hell of a shot on ABC news
[17:01] <theMAXX> he thing about this attack
[17:01] <locust> not much keeping them together other than the skin
[17:01] <spx> WTF, now the Salomon brothers building collapsed…
[17:01] <igtky> Its about time we stop talking about rebuilding, and act as required.
[17:01] <theMAXX> it effects many other nations too
[17:01] <theMAXX> they won’t take it lightly either
[17:01] <bizee> ABC,  showed plane flying right into building
[17:01] <theMAXX> many foreign interest in that area
[17:01] <locust> lot of aluminum that loves to burn
[17:01] <mflutie> ABC amazing scenes
[17:01] <AV_OUT> ABC footage
[17:01] <PT1> good article about the last WTC bombing and Iraqi connection here: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm
[17:01] <StephenB> man, air traffic control had a lot of strange plane movement that went unnoticed
[17:01] <xstanx> saw it pretty sad
[17:01] <theMAXX> this was an attack against the WORLD
[17:01] <Mel1> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BC3094867%2D7349%2D4E69%2D8A2A%2DD0E9AEF1C219%7D&siteid=mktw
[17:02] <Dionysus-> Salomon building down?
[17:02] <bobby44> no max its against us
[17:02] <spx> yes, any storie on that
[17:02] <theMAXX> you’ll see
[17:02] <igtky> you guys talking about rebuilding go tell the thousands of families whose loved ones have died.
[17:02] <spx> stories?
[17:02] <Yogibear> BBC showing people jumping out WTC windows
[17:02] <locust> it’s against us  Israel’s only real friend i guess
[17:02] <theMAXX> just wait
[17:02] <dw> I told my wife that a dominoe effect will occur. Steel connx. and beams will fail causing a floor collaspe causing all lower floors to collaspe one after the other.  Steel loses strength substantially when heated beyond 500 deg. F.
[17:03] <locust> yup dw
[17:03] <theMAXX> dw that’s why the effect was an implosion
[17:03] <Scorp^> they, were saying on news – look at teh words – American, United, World
[17:03] <bobby44> an engineer confirmed dw’s statement before
[17:03] <skifreak> there keeping close wacth on your tanks farms in north carolina.its piped all the way on the eastern sea board
[17:03] <PT1> from the fas.org link: In January 1995, Yousef and his associates plotted to blow up eleven U.S. commercial aircraft in one spectacular day of terrorist rage. The bombs were to be made of a liquid explosive designed to pass through airport metal detectors. But while mixing his chemical brew in a Manila apartment, Yousef started a fire. He was forced to flee, leaving behind a computer that contained the information that led to his a
[17:03] <StephenB> The Learning Channel rebroadcasting BBC news if you want a European take
[17:03] <mflutie> CNN reporting Barbara Olson cell phone call
[17:03] <gtt> yup phase change dw
[17:03] <mflutie> pilot & people herded to back of plane
[17:03] <bobby44> cnn interesting
[17:04] <dw> I would not call it an implosion.  It was simply a gravity load failure of each floor.
[17:04] <Yogibear> yes
[17:04] <Yogibear> gravity
[17:04] <Gipper> Something worse than death for the terrorists. Force them to stay at a “rave concert” for a few days.
[17:04] <StephenB> scary to see what a substantial fire of any cause can do to a high, steel building
[17:04] <symbion> Gipper—LOL
[17:05] <beck> BCC now
[17:05] <Albireo> what important companys there were in WTC ?
[17:05] <JOHNNYBOY> hmm cnn: terrorist had only knives and carboard cutter
[17:05] <DezertRat> you build a building that tall…it’s called potential energy
[17:05] <Yogibear> the fire was secondary to the impact of a 300,000 lb plane at 400MPH
[17:05] <sail> yeah, but most fire would be localized, not across several floors
[17:05] <StephenB> plus lots of kerosene
[17:06] <locust> 150 000  gallons of vaporized kerosene makes for one heck of an explosive force
[17:06] * Yogibear :03pm 09/11/01 NY MAYOR: AT LEAST 21,000 INJURED IN WTC ATTACKS – AP
[17:06] <Threshr> why didn’t the passengers attack these terrorists?
[17:06] <sail> and not with thousans of gallons of jet fuelfeeding em
[17:06] <StephenB> still the building withstood the initial impact, even given all that kinetic energy
[17:06] <diesl> fire so hot concrete could melt
[17:06] <dw> The fire WAS the cause of the failure.
[17:06] <xstanx> sail good ?
[17:06] <locust> lbs
[17:06] <bucko> Threshr, you serious?
[17:06] <Aardvark> possible also that bombs driven to site
[17:06] <Aardvark> in the confusion
[17:07] <spx> sail, did you see that the second plane turned almost vertical just before the crash to impact as many stories as possible… looked like atl least 10 – 15 storiesin total
[17:07] <Mel1> NEW YORK (CBS.MW) – International stock markets are poised to tumble Wednesday as the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon undermine confidence in equities around the world.
[17:07] <Mel1> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B955E1372%2D39DC%2D46DA%2D9B46%2D9EE581DE8B24%7D&siteid=mktw
[17:07] <jba> weaken the steel in the heat, floor drops and starts a pancake
[17:07] <sail> no, didn’t see that
[17:07] <Threshr> absolutely bucko, what happened to the John Waynes?
[17:07] <xstanx> why not everyone attack at the same time
[17:07] <jba> you could see it in the second collapse
[17:07] <dw> exactly jba
[17:07] <igtky> will Bush “HUnt down and punish those responsible” We will see. Who thinks Bush does nothing?
[17:07] <locust> Fox has new footage
[17:07] <bucko> Threshr, at the time they proabably thought it was just a hijcking, they had no clue they were gonna run the plane into a building
[17:08] <Yogibear> Bush will hammer
[17:08] <xstanx> a guy with a knife cannot defend against 20 guys at one time
[17:08] <StephenB> BBC confirming Salomon collapse
[17:08] <spx> look at the footage, the second plane turned vertical just before the impact
[17:08] <Wizski> igtky, Bush will knock ’em good.
[17:08] <cool> Bush cant do anything
[17:08] <igtky> I will be happy to see it.
[17:08] <Scorp^> spx, i tend to think he was just taking better aim, but you could be right
[17:08] <Mel1> this a**h*le Sharon will play this to the max
[17:08] <Mel1> on CNN
[17:08] <mflutie> Fox footage is the Dr./ameteur  video
[17:08] <igtky> Sharon started this mess.
[17:09] <Marginman2> if you see theabc  groundlevel pictues of the plane flying into the second tower it removes the mystery of why the buildings collapsed – the plane looked like a knife cutting thru a tall stick of butter
[17:09] <spx> Scorp, yes, could be either reason
[17:09] <Yogibear> saying Nat gas may go up on short covering now
[17:09] <sail> prob more than one hijacker
[17:09] <Threshr> How bad can many passengers get hurt against a few with knives!
[17:09] <DezertRat> why was Grrespan in Switzerland?
[17:09] <DezertRat> Greenspan
[17:09] <Marginman2> the plane went in one side and the fireball came out the other
[17:09] <symbion> dezert–for a bankers conference
[17:09] <bucko> ok buddy you first, they had now idea of what was about to happen
[17:09] <genaro> Greenie at a conference
[17:09] <bucko> now = no
[17:09] <igtky> counting his money in a private swizz bank account.
[17:10] <StephenB> lots of hijackings end rather well for the passengers…they might never have thought how serious this was for everyone
[17:10] <sail> nbc only had the video from the back where the fireball eexited
[17:10] <PT1> must read: THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB:
[17:10] <PT1> Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters
[17:10] <jba> parts of the plane just slide through the whole floor
[17:10] <spx> 47 storey Salomon Brothers building 200 feet from WRC has also collapsed
[17:10] <Threshr> if the terrorists would have picked a plane full of gang banger types, the terrorists would have failed
[17:10] <spx> WTC
[17:10] <bear> Salomon Bros building 47 storeys
[17:10] <PT1> at this link: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm
[17:10] <locust> no word from Fox on collapse
[17:10] <sail> MW 17:07 NYBOT: TRADING MIGHT NOT REOPEN EARLIER THAN MONDAY
[17:10] <Scorp^> same here locust
[17:10] <theMAXX> good idea
[17:11] <mflutie> Solomon employee eye witness on Fox
[17:11] <bobby44> In January 1995, Yousef and his associates plotted to blow up eleven U.S. commercial aircraft in one spectacular day of terrorist rage. The bombs were to be made of a liquid explosive designed to pass through airport metal detectors. But while mixing his chemical brew in a Manila apartment,
[17:11] <bobby44> THIS is what i talked about before
[17:11] <pjj> 4 hour long lines in DC to give blood
[17:12] <locust> a few insurance companies lucking out on these events it seems   wont have to pay
[17:12] <spx> wonder if there is a terrorist clause…
[17:12] <Yogibear> anyone got a link for the Soloman collapse?
[17:12] <Hoover> some have them, some don’t
[17:12] <locust> nothing on CNN opr CNBC  either
[17:13] <Yogibear> 5:11pm 09/11/01   GOV. DAVIS: ELECTRICAL GRID, WATER AND BRIDGES SECURED
[17:13] <bobby44> any confirm Pittspburg plane was shot down ?
[17:13] <Yogibear> no shoot down
[17:13] <symbion> bobby–not shot down
[17:13] <bubbles> defense dept denies any shootdown
[17:13] <WallStArb> From The Asian Wall Street Journal
[17:13] <WallStArb>  CNBC said that an estimated 10,000 people would typically be in each of the towers the hour of the day the planes struck.
[17:13] <WallStArb>  On Feb. 23, 1993, bombs exploded in a parking garage beneath the center, killing six people and injuring 1,000. Six Islamic militants were convicted in the bombing and sentenced to life behind bars.
[17:13] <WallStArb>  After the first plane hit the northern tower, the streets of Lower Manhattan began to clog with morning commuters who stopped in their tracks, shading their eyes against the strong morning sun as they watched smoke billowing out near the top of the building. Then a huge fireball engulfed the top fourth of the southern tower, eliciting screams and sobs from the crowds on the street.
[17:13] <WallStArb>  After that, the second tower to be hit slid to the ground in about five seconds, as 107 stories collapsed. An enormous cloud of smoke engulfed the area. The crowd gasped and some began to cry. One woman screamed, “Kill them. Kill the people who did this.”
[17:13] <bobby44> thnks
[17:14] <locust> TWA Flight 800 tied into this i bet
[17:14] <Scooch> send them all back
[17:15] <Scooch> sorry
[17:15] <dumper> still no tape of the first plane hit ?
[17:15] <bubbles> i haven’t seen any
[17:15] <Mel1> This is uncharted territory, but the immediate reaction overseas is even greater than domestically as people’s tolerance for risk deteriorates,” said John Hock, chief investment officer at Altrinsic Global Advisors, which manages about $500 million in international stocks.
[17:15] <Mel1> “This will accelerate the weakening of the U.S. economy,” he said.
[17:15] <Mel1> “I’m not thinking of buying or selling anything, and I’m not even in New York,” said Stephen Gauthier, a fund manager at the Montreal offices of Pictet & Co., a Swiss fund management firm with about $70 billion in assets.
[17:15] <Mel1> The financial markets have suffered a terrible blow and it’s “unclear how much financial infrastructure has been damaged,” Wells Fargo’s chief economist Sun Wong Sohn said.
[17:15] <Mel1> “Many key people in the financial market probably have been killed or injured,” Sohn said. See details of WTC tenants. “Once the market opens, there could be a stampede of selling,” Sohn said
[17:15] <BMW_MPower> no one got the first plane on video
[17:15] <xstanx> you can bet some cameras at the airport filmed these guys before they got on the airplanes
[17:15] <dw> The FAA is caught flat footed.  The flight path of the Boston/LA flight turned 90 degs. toward NYC.
[17:16] <Scorp^> uhh, dw, what were they supposed to do ?
[17:16] <Mel1> Morgan Stanley occupied 50 floors in the World Trade Center, and had about 3,500 workers there
[17:16] <StephenB> yes, I think atc is gonna have tough questions to answer and in the future, a closer comm. line to the Defense Dept
[17:16] <symbion> dw–so what was the FAA supposed to do when they saw that????
[17:16] <Jones> it isn’t that hard to make non metal machine guns…that is how they raided the detectors
[17:16] <Scorp^> no way StephenB
[17:16] <Yogibear> nothing they can do
[17:16] <Commonman> this country wasn’t on a war footing…there are no contingencies for shooting down passenger aircraft straying off course
[17:16] <oho> well, I bought today … what else can a trader do to counter that kind of aggression
[17:17] <Mel1> Gold surged in the wake of the news, rising $19 an ounce to $290 an ounce in London. See metals report
[17:17] <Commonman> all this nonsense about what should have been done is just that
[17:17] <pttrdr> the news keeps talking bout how well funded and organized  and sophisticated this attack was …i completely disagree…a few thousand dollars for enough flight school for 7 guys  to steer a plane  (takeoff  or landing experience not needed)  and some knives
[17:17] <bubbles> i heard earlier that the flight had requested clearance into JFK
[17:17] <Yogibear> every aircraft will get a marshal now
[17:17] <bobby44> short the gold rise
[17:17] <Aardvark> agree pttrdr
[17:17] <StephenB> hmmm. 4 planes all making major diversions from their flight plans at once?
[17:17] <Aardvark> this was about resolve, not funding
[17:17] <Scorp^> correct Yogibear
[17:18] <dabb> here’s a cellphone gun in disguise: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/phone001205.html
[17:18] <Pogo> tom clancy on cnn
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[17:18] <locust> klintoon decimated the military/intelligence community – it will take years to rebuild – clinton’s 8 yrs were spenting helping China gain ground on us and setting our efforts back
[17:18] <Scorp^> no politics, but it is after hours
[17:19] <Scorp^> guess it has been all day
[17:19] <pttrdr> i understand your point stephen  but thats just a matter of grabbing the right plane  and flight schedules are public knowledge
[17:19] <Mel1>  5:10pm 09/11/01   Terrorists level World Trade Center, hit Pentagon – Jon Friedman
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[17:19] <StephenB> I suppose, but it will get looked at.
[17:19] <Yogibear> where is Clinton?
[17:19] <Mel1>  5:09pm 09/11/01   ALL PENTAGON TOP OFFICIALS ACCOUNTED FOR – CNN
[17:19] <Yogibear> where in Bush Sr?
[17:19] <StephenB> I guess the best way to deter starts back in the airplane on the flight deck
[17:19] <Hatch> Yogi, they not the President anymore
[17:20] <Yogibear> no
[17:20] <jaco> Mi heart is with the american people today.
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[17:20] <pacman> so what do you guys think the US should do now after this tragedy?
[17:20] <Yogibear> but they are former presidents
[17:20] <Wizski> retaliate with a fatalistic blow.
[17:20] <symbion> pacman—hunt them down and kill them
[17:20] <pacman> hunt who?
[17:20] <spx> hunt down the terrorists, ground troops to the camps…
[17:20] <StephenB> investigate very carefully, be deliberate, look responsible and smart…if we identify, then *BOOM**
[17:20] <Pogo> cnn has nearby buidling collpase story now
[17:20] <Yogibear> #7 WTC just went down
[17:21] *** Guest03253 is now known as call
[17:21] <Yogibear> 40 storys
[17:21] <PT1> yep, MSNBC showing possible collapse of WTC7
[17:21] <xstanx> shoot first ask questions later
[17:21] <Jones> pacman, there are those who want a peaceful resolve, but when u mess with thousands of lives, it means we got to destroy
[17:21] <Yogibear> just gone down
[17:21] <Mel1> fox just reported #7 collapse now
[17:21] <Yogibear> I just watched it
[17:21] <_Ramz> Didn’t # 6 Go down about an hr ago?
[17:21] <winwinajs> does anyone know the room for futures traders?
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[17:21] <taLuis> How about this for a solution on airplanes: (1) Have a button the pilot presses, with NO override, to go into auto-pilot; (2) make the cockpit inaccessible via (a) more secure doors, (b) possible additional auto-injection measures such as some kind of deterrent like tear-gas/sleeping gas/pepper spray to disable the attackers.
[17:21] <mk> destroy who? how can you destroy an enemy you can not see?
[17:22] <Jones> destroy bin laden and company…
[17:22] <pacman> they should set up a trap for the next would be terrorists.
[17:22] <Cha-ching> First order of business for Pres. Bush, should be to rescind the executive order not allowing the execution of the leaders of foreign countries
[17:22] <xstanx> be glad im not the president i would assume it was Afganistan and make a huge pit over there
[17:22] <bubbles> ta – when does the pilot press the button?
[17:22] <locust> shorting should be prohibited after this event until situation settles down
[17:22] <pacman> and real them in, like fish hooked.
[17:22] <Jones> what I mean by destroy is, destroy all nuclear and military weapons of the middle east….all of them
[17:22] <pacman> and get to the key people.
[17:22] <Bubba> ta, I stated to auto thing earlier, i agree
[17:22] <xstanx> locust i agree
[17:22] <nickgc> 7 or 5
[17:22] <taLuis> bubbles, The button can be activated from the ground or the pilot
[17:22] <xstanx> no shorting
[17:22] <ZOOS150> 7 world trade center just collapsed
[17:23] <codeblue> clancy is telling it like it is
[17:23] <patman> clancy tellin it like it is
[17:23] <Jones> imagine a nuclear bomb in nyc?….that is why they need to get rid of all military in the middle east
[17:23] <sail> sleeping gas to disable all passengers during flights
[17:23] <xstanx> im short a stock but i wont short anymore till market settles
[17:23] <bizee> clancy on tv somewhere right now?
[17:23] <locust> existing shorts are there just no new shorts
[17:24] <locust> the buzzards are circling – only more money to be made by them
[17:24] <Kitt> bizee, cnn
[17:24] <bizee> thx
[17:24] <Cha-ching> The pres and congress should relocate to area 57 probably one of the safest places on the planet
[17:24] <patman> was bizee hes gone now they didnt like his candor
[17:24] <spx> this week might be the market bottom though… lets see…
[17:24] <bubbles> I missed what he said last – what was it?
[17:24] <Yogibear>  they can’t rescue anyone till the buildings stop falling
[17:25] <Yogibear> this is very sad
[17:25] <locust> how many stories ?
[17:25] <Yogibear> 40?
[17:25] <incog> another 47 story building just collapsed
[17:25] <bizee> 47
[17:25] <pttrdr> the CIA  had become a dirty word for two generations of americans     the CIA and FBI became the enemy of the ’60s counter culture and the ridicule of the liberal elite of the 70s and beyond….and hence became underfunded and archaic….viewed as an unnecessary danger in a world viewed through the rose coloured glasses of prosperity….the fact of the matter is the CIA was set up to combat enemies from without that are not as readily recognizab
[17:25] <StephenB> 50 or 60
[17:25] <incog> cnn
[17:25] <spx> 47
[17:25] <Ex> test
[17:25] <locust> wow
[17:25] <StephenB> 47…ick
[17:25] <locust> billions reduced to rubble and people complain about militaryspending
[17:25] <Ex> test
[17:26] <bobby44> onso many movies make CIA look like the mafia or worse
[17:26] <locust> all those lost lives
[17:26] <locust> 🙁
[17:26] <Yogibear> the money is nothing, look at the people jumping out windows
[17:26] <bobby44> 7 wtc was evacuated
[17:26] <codeblue> what caused building #7 to collapse?  Fire?
[17:26] <Yogibear> yes
[17:26] <pacman> FBI and CIA need to be allowed to do their jobs.
[17:26] <Mel1> the CIA….in many cases WERE worse than mafia
[17:26] <pacman> Stop critisim them.
[17:27] <locust> i hope americans finally lose their naivette about the real world and all this PC cr-p promoted by the liberal left
[17:27] <Yogibear> NRO is monitoring all electronic comm all over the world now
[17:27] <pacman> How do you fight an invisible enemy?
[17:27] <pttrdr> the only “real geopolitik” is peace through strength and vigilance
[17:27] <bizee> cnn amazing video,  sucker went right through the floor
[17:27] <pttrdr> not invisible  just not easily detectable
[17:27] <Yogibear> they will pick up a message, and figure out who did this
[17:27] <StephenB> I never complain about defense spending…might complain about what we do to the environment, but not DoD…what good is the environment if you are a prisonor?  I’m a weird mix of left and right..my enviro friends don’t understand my pro-gun stance…wish this would change their minds but I doubt it
[17:27] <DB_Cooper> cia got Bil Laden started
[17:27] <pacman> with invisible forces.
[17:27] <gtt> agree on pc, im still bullish on usa, we can and will eal w thisd
[17:28] <DB_Cooper> Bin
[17:28] <Commonman> most of you are too young to remember that the dismantling of intelligence began when Jimmy Carter took advantage of Post-Nixon GOP damage
[17:28] <locust> PAX-TV is pat robertson’s network ?
[17:28] <Commonman> the Dems after Watergate slaughtered the intelligence community
[17:28] <pacman> The CIA will do the job for us, and stop the terrorists, if we support them.
[17:28] <DezertRat> just heard the best line of the day about the attacks
[17:28] <bobby44> dont worry, there will be kooks who will say CIA or FBI did this
[17:28] <Commonman> Read “The Puzzle Palace” about NSA and other books about the CIA and James Jesus Angleton
[17:28] <locust> stephenb  —I’m a weird mix of left and right—   yes you are
[17:28] <Bubba> not all of us commonman
[17:28] <Mel1> CIA sold weapons to Iran and Iraq…get real and a little less hysteria is called for
[17:28] <DezertRat> ” It was low tech…high concept ” attack
[17:28] <StephenB> 🙂
[17:28] <Commonman> It was hacked to death…wholesale
[17:29] <Bubba> yep
[17:29] <locust> CIA is a shambles
[17:29] *** SuziAway is now known as Suzanne
[17:29] <Treller> Best and brightest not in CIA cant pass background checks.
[17:29] <Yogibear> reporting another building on Trinity street down
[17:29] <BMW_MPower> CNBC saying 90% sure it’s Bin Laden
[17:29] <Commonman> by Dems taking advantage of a country repulsed by Nixon
[17:29] <locust> klintoon gutted it
[17:29] <Commonman> P.S.:  they stopped funding Vietnam and let that slide into the abyss at the same time
[17:29] <locust> full of traitors now
[17:29] <sail> cia is no longer the primary spy agency, but it get the most srutiny and congressional oversight — NSA & NRO get the big bucks now
[17:29] <mflutie> I missed clancy.. what was said?
[17:30] <Yogibear> we just launched a new NRO intel sat last week
[17:30] <Mel1> Nixon cut off funding ..geez
[17:30] <StephenB> cbs amazing video
[17:30] <pacman> CIA is in shambles because we do not support them.
[17:30] <locust> klintoon’s CIA head was taking files home on a PC and Reno covered it all up  Freeh never had a chance to investiogate it
[17:30] <bobby44> if the cia killed ben ladin last week they would have broken the law
[17:30] <mk> our intelligence agencies have budgets bigger than the GNP of many countries, and bigger than ever…
[17:30] <codeblue> clincy said the media cuts down support for CIA and other agencies
[17:30] <xstanx> cbs showing the film again
[17:30] <xstanx> wild
[17:30] <mk> so it’s not true, they have the money they just missed on this one
[17:30] <pacman> Change the law and give CIA ultimate power to fight terrorism at any measure.
[17:30] <WinTrak> Bush must act decisively immediately.. the world is with us now.. longer he waits to act.. more world support he will lose..
[17:30] <WinTrak> IMO
[17:31] <patman> clancy said to quit picking on the cia and give them praise and encouragement as a journalist and she told him(clancy) goodbye
[17:31] <pacman> I agree WinTrak
[17:31] <Commonman> You remember Reagan bombed Libya
[17:31] <Treller> pacman including operating domestically
[17:31] <Commonman> something major will occur
[17:31] <locust> hah wintrack   it’s not PC to kill the enemy – touchy feely leftists wont let you
[17:31] <Commonman> even if for symbolic reasons
[17:31] <Mel1> yea pacman…lol…give CIA MORE power???…what a laff
[17:31] <cool> what can Bush possibly do?
[17:31] <pacman> CIA must have the power to work for us, no matter what is required.
[17:31] <bizee> anyone know someone in any of the Guards?  are any/all on call?
[17:31] <WinTrak> he should declare war..
[17:31] <cool> on who
[17:32] <Treller> Bush can informally isolate SZaudi Arabia
[17:32] <locust> Democrats/Liberals have tied the hands of anyone able to do anything about our enemies
[17:32] <Gr8-1> September 11, 2001 17:29
[17:32] <Gr8-1> UPDATE 2-U.S. urges nuclear plant precautions after attack
[17:32] <Gr8-1> Jump to first matched term
[17:32] <boardsport> cbs has new vid
[17:32] <pttrdr> Saudi Arabia is our best ally  in the arab world
[17:32] <pacman> If I were Bush I would give the order to launch all covert opertions possible to find and snuff out the terrorists.
[17:32] <dw> We need a massive “human” intelligence thrust. Can’t do it with only with remote intelligence.
[17:32] <gtt> friend of mine speculates that us and russia will be in charge of afgan and pakistan quite rapidly
[17:32] <codeblue> locust that’s because our enemies fund their campaigns, and it ain’t just the demos.
[17:32] <WinTrak> terrorist, their supporters, and whoever gave them aid..
[17:32] <Treller> Here’s why. The Saudis need to see the thin line
[17:32] <locust> pacman – he can put out the order but the manpower/infrastructure sjust isnt there
[17:32] <corruptor> bush probably already did
[17:32] <locust> it was dismantled
[17:32] <pacman> how do you know locust?
[17:32] <Aardvark> how do you snuff out a few guys who buy MS flight simulator, some knives, and read some Tom Clancy novels?
[17:33] <flier> Already declared war on terriosm- remember the war on drugs- we lost.
[17:33] <corruptor> but the operations being covert…it is unlikely that the general public will be let in
[17:33] <pttrdr> we lost?
[17:33] <pacman> if Bush did, he gets my vote next time.
[17:33] <Treller> Between our propping them up and the alternatives.
[17:33] <locust> i keep up on it – was in the defense industry
[17:33] <corruptor> why would they tell us if the operations are covert
[17:33] <corruptor> that would only aide the enemy
[17:33] <bigman> any news on when market will continue trading?
[17:33] <gtt> interesting to see if opec will release extra oil to dampen oil spike etc
[17:33] <mflutie> From 81st Floor…He Was on the 81st Floor of Two World Trade Center
[17:33] <pacman> ok, make them patriotic operations.
[17:33] <sunnyyyy> heaing monday
[17:33] <mflutie> http://www.thelion.com/bin/forum.cgi?msg=220833&tf=wall_street_pit&cmd=read
[17:34] <Aardvark> CBS new video
[17:34] <Treller> This would also be a fine time for that brilliant young gentleman in Jordan to come forth with a declaration
[17:34] <bizee> I went to that military.com site,  vets age 25-70 declaring themselves ready
[17:34] <pacman> Covert I only meant, somewhat crude measures to get to the terrorists.
[17:34] <Suzanne> my kids are just home from school, how in the hell do i explain this? heh
[17:34] <mflutie> honestly
[17:34] <mflutie>  part of life
[17:34] <mk> Morgan Stanley is MSCO?
[17:34] <Pogo> cbs video…jeez
[17:34] <flier> markets closed WED, no set reopen yet
[17:34] <locust> klintoon drove a dagger through the heart of the militart/intelligence community   as far as i’m concerned he’s  a traitor
[17:34] <pacman> Suzanne let them watch the news and learn.
[17:34] <boardsport> cbs now
[17:34] <StephenB> http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/254/nation/New_doubts_about_gun_historian+.shtml  <— interesting story about a pro gun control guy trying to argue that colonial Americia didn’t really have lots of guns…been caught in a LIE when people checked his facts
[17:34] <mflutie> I did with my youngest & she took it fine
[17:34] <crackerGA> more new video cbs
[17:34] <pttrdr> CBA new tape
[17:34] <sail> DJ 17:35 DJ Hoover Dam Traffic Cut Off, Seen Possible Target
[17:34] <pttrdr> CBS
[17:35] <Sandman> I can see it coming – terrorist leader found and charged with 18,978 counts of muder – gets public defender to plead insanity
[17:35] <bucko> we got a couple days with free reign from all nations, we need to act swiftly
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[17:35] <locust> dont laff sandman – not far from the truth
[17:35] <Wizski> ^5 bucko.
[17:35] <codeblue> all we need is 10 years of trial like the Lockerbee thing
[17:35] <Sandman> wasn’t really a joke
[17:35] <WinTrak> right on bunko..
[17:35] <Wizski> swift, broad and fatalistic.
[17:35] <Jones> Wallstarb, what is the link for your website?
[17:36] <pacman> they should take the terrorists charged with 18,978 counts and receive 18,978 tortures before he is put to death.
[17:36] <Threshr> i remember an article in the spotlight speaking about this type of tragedy
[17:36] <pacman> Just like they did in the old puritan days.
[17:36] <locust> i’m hardly a republican but the liberal left/democrats have gutted this nation’s ability to defend itself and enforce its laws
[17:37] <ZOOS150> see what happens
[17:37] <Mel1> shut up locust
[17:37] <dabb> Ace Bailey, director of pro scouting for the NHL L.A. Kings, was one of two members of the organization that was on one of the flights that crashed into the World Trade Center on Tuesday
[17:37] <locust> and the repubs for the most part are no better
[17:37] <pttrdr> Mel1  that wasnt very nice to say
[17:37] <ZOOS150> any word when Bush is going to talk?
[17:37] <Sandman> mid-east terrorism deserves mid-east punishment
[17:37] <WinTrak> Where is our leader?  must know the whole world is watching..
[17:38] <Suzanne> guys, no name calling, we are still adults and still professionals, please keep any scathing opinions or basic bs out of this channel
[17:38] <deac> tell kids this is how people felt at pearl harbor-
[17:38] <Yogibear> guess those mothballed battleships will get a fresh coat of paint
[17:38] <xstanx> locust enough pop shots ? we dont need a political battle going on now please
[17:38] <ZOOS150> anyone know what are options are mililtarily?
[17:38] <mk> where were the men on these flights? a knife does not stop 30 men
[17:38] <locust> wintrak  i doubt we’ll see any retaliation for atleast a few days   takes time to move forces into poisition
[17:38] <deac> middle of night in most of world now
[17:38] <dirty_harry> Truman sent a message to the Japanese…..will Bush do the same against the terrorists?
[17:38] <gtt> look for standing cap (combat air patrol) thruout the us
[17:38] <bucko> mk, they had no idea what was about to transpire
[17:39] <mk> I suppose so
[17:39] <pacman> Bush reminds me of Truman.
[17:39] <Aardvark> what?!
[17:39] <locust> it’s the honest to God truth  🙁
[17:39] <locust> i’ll shut up now
[17:39] <bucko> damn, glad gw has his father experience to call upon
[17:39] <xstanx> nows not the time
[17:39] <WinTrak> not pearl harbor.. there 98% of 2400 casulties were military.. not the same.. although the attack quickly brougght a declaration of war..
[17:39] <PT1> dirty_harry, if we knew who they were, we’d be bombing them right this minute, not talking to them
[17:39] <diesl> 1 guy tried but got stabbed along with 2 flight attendents
[17:40] <Stox_afk> What message?    How about a riddle…      .”What is covered with Sand and Glows in the Dark?”
[17:40] <pacman> The problem the terrorists are mingled with none terrorists. We need a different sort of operation. The kink that penetrates their ranks and systemically nocks them out.
[17:40] <dabb> bad day to sneak in a warning – 5:31pm 09/11/01   [BW] BRUSH ENGINEERED SEES Q3 LOSS GREATER THAN ESTIMATED
[17:40] <pttrdr> the muslim extremists are going to pay bigtime
[17:40] <sail> geesh, just found out my uncle was 6 blocks away and saw the whole thing, can’t get out of the city, but i think he’s ik
[17:40] <sail> ok
[17:40] <Stox_afk> PRESIDENT BUSH TO ADDRESS NATION AROUND 9 P.M. ET
[17:41] <dirty_harry> the worst part of this tragedy….those responsible could be here on the chat with us
[17:41] <spindawg> yo, dies1 where are you getting that information?
[17:41] <locust> good hear sail
[17:41] <locust> good to hear
[17:41] <pttrdr> CBS shoing the last building to fall
[17:41] <pttrdr> showing
[17:41] <bizee> cbs showed the SSB bldg
[17:41] <Matrix1> what in the world is bush doing
[17:41] <sail> yeah, i think he works in the huge water tunnels they are building
[17:41] <rac1> cbs has some crazy footage
[17:42] <xstanx> showing the third building falling
[17:42] <StephenB> all of lower Manhattan gonna have to be checked by engineers
[17:42] <Jena> Terrorists are like dark shadows.. hard to find and identify.. hiding behind their protectors.  We need to go after the countries that harbor terrorists.
[17:42] <shebesavvy> hey guys
[17:42] <xstanx> : (
[17:42] <pttrdr> Bush is running the country  our govt is fully functional
[17:42] <pttrdr> fully
[17:42] <Yogibear> welcome shebe
[17:42] <pacman> Bush, if you are listening, act and act dicisively. I want to hear at 9:00 PM that you will snuff them out and destroy their abilities to commit terror again.
[17:42] <dirty_harry> agree jena….nuke’em
[17:42] <shebesavvy> thanks yogi
[17:42] <Treller> Even Putin calling for a strong responce what is the secret service afraid of?
[17:42] <pttrdr> nuke who?
[17:42] <WinTrak> we need to stop the countries financing and arming them.. and the only way is to declare war..
[17:42] <Yogibear> lot more people here
[17:42] <pttrdr> declare war against who?
[17:42] <taLuis> i vote for the U.S. markets to stay closed until Monday at least
[17:42] <pacman> We will see how Bush does on his so called “test”.
[17:42] <shebesavvy> yeah
[17:42] <xstanx> Afganistan
[17:42] <pttrdr> afghanistan?
[17:42] <Treller> TALUIS they will
[17:43] <sail> i’ll go along with that taluis
[17:43] <Yogibear> if it gets too intense, just take a break
[17:43] <Mel1> Insurers face most costly disaster in history 20:49
[17:43] <bizee> I wouldn’t underestimate Bush here
[17:43] <ertyuio> joder
[17:43] <pacman> They should declare war on the Terrorists, whoever they are.
[17:43] <FreddyMac> What third building fell??
[17:43] <FreddyMac> no tv here
[17:43] <Treller> AMEX
[17:43] <pttrdr> they are country of sheepherders in the mountains?
[17:43] <bizee> 47 story Solly Building
[17:43] <Yogibear> 5:24pm 09/11/01   BUILDING 7 AT WTC COLLASPES
[17:43] <bucko> fox has hillary
[17:43] <xstanx> fred a 47 story building
[17:43] <pacman> They should not be too lenient on them no matter what the PLO trys to say, to cover their as.
[17:43] <dirty_harry> I’m glad i’m not living in Afghanistan or Libya
[17:43] <pttrdr> nuking afghaistan would do nothing to stop terrorism
[17:43] <Wizski> 7 buildings so far.
[17:43] <shebesavvy> to repeat from prubear, heard kock interview. guy said determine the perps, destroy their nation’s capitol. yikes
[17:43] <pttrdr> afghanistan
[17:43] <Yogibear> Hillary on MSNBC
[17:43] <Stox_afk> Neutron bomb don’t care if it’s mountains or cities
[17:43] <Photon> Bush will most certainly declare war on terrorists… don’t worry about that… worry if he shoots from the hip
[17:43] <WinTrak> any country who is giving military or financial support to ben-laden or other groups who openly declared war on the US
[17:44] <shebesavvy> that was ed koch i meant
[17:44] <pacman> The US should launch a simultaneous operation against all terrorists sites, just like Michael Corlioni Did in the Gather.
[17:44] <pttrdr> ththis is like hunting rats    in a good building of good people  you dont level a building    you send in teams of exterminators to find and eradicate the rats
[17:44] <dirty_harry> pttrdr…a nuked terrorist is a dead terrorist
[17:44] <locust> wonder if hillary will return the PLO contributions
[17:44] <rac1> like ariel sharon said earlier, the fight against terrorism will be long
[17:44] <pacman> to finally close this matter once and for all.
[17:44] <corruptor> Nostradamus appears to suggest that various regions will one day be struck by missiles (in Europe, the West and elsewhere).  New York City might be the location of a direct hit (see quatrains #4-99 and #6-97
[17:44] <Yogibear> Hillary is a NY Senator now, lets see how she handles this.
[17:44] <Treller> Russia on our side. Just need to convince Chicoms
[17:44] <Photon> Bush needs all of his resources right now, and he needs to listen so he can make the right decision
[17:45] <mk> not so easy to go to war with Afganistan, look what happen when Russia tried it
[17:45] <Matrix1> how many buildings are down ?
[17:45] <Aardvark> Fox has Olsen hijack phone calls
[17:45] <shebesavvy> or great britain. into the valley of death rode the 600
[17:45] <Yogibear> I hear four buildings so far
[17:45] <nickgc> don’t go to war, just bomb their govt buildings to the ground
[17:45] <pacman> we should not go to war with a country, but terrorists wherever they my reside.
[17:45] <Pogo> yes, bush probably gathering consensus now, probably has targets ready
[17:45] <pacman> you guys dont make sense.
[17:46] <pacman> They need to find the root of the problem and stop it.
[17:46] <Photon> Did Barbara Olsen die in that Pittsburgh crash
[17:46] <mk> the root of this particular problem is this particular group that needs to be eliminated
[17:46] <Treller> yep
[17:46] <Aardvark> yes Olsen dead
[17:46] <WinTrak> tthe root is money and arms..
[17:46] <Yogibear> she died in the penagon
[17:46] <bizee> no, into the Pentagon
[17:46] <mk> problem is they are all spread out and in hiding
[17:46] <sunnyyyy> the pentagon crash
[17:46] <diesl> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21544&cid=2280781
[17:46] <bobby44> where was clancy on tv? what channel?
[17:46] <pacman> Bush should create a new department of Defense, called the Anti-terrorism group with absolute powers to do what is necessary to fight terrorism.
[17:46] <Photon> She was a fine lady… that’s a shame
[17:46] <Matrix1> merril lynch building next one to go down?
[17:47] <Matrix1> oppenheimer seem close also
[17:47] <Mel1> how can u make sense of a “holy war” ??
[17:47] <pacman> Much like diplomats are exempt from breaking the law.
[17:47] <locust> Dept of Defense use to be called Dept of War
[17:47] <pacman> this group should have absollute power to fight terrorism at all cost.
[17:47] <dirty_harry> lets bring out the Terminator
[17:48] <xstanx> buildings were hit at 9 am
[17:48] <itchy> NEVER sacrifice liberty for security
[17:48] <pacman> yes, get Arnold on the JOb.
[17:48] <Scorp^> hmmm, live shot of an AA jet just flying out of DFW – must be someone really important on that one
[17:48] <Yogibear> anyone getting e-mails advising against selling your stocks?
[17:48] <shebesavvy> beware of wishing anyone absolute powers
[17:48] <shebesavvy> no. not yet
[17:48] <Yogibear> Colon Powel is coming back from trip too
[17:48] <shebesavvy> but i’ve blocked incoming junk mail
[17:48] <pacman> if you give them absolute power, then can do the job.
[17:48] <itchy> Powell down in Peru
[17:49] <shebesavvy> like hitler and stalin did
[17:49] <FreddyMac> Any word on where Bush is?  Last was in Shreveport right?
[17:49] <Mel1> geez…CBS just showed a shot I haven’t seen of the 2nd plane
[17:49] <FreddyMac> likely in Dallas now?
[17:49] <Commonman> Folks, here’s my personal photo of the WTC a few years ago…I was real proud of this
[17:49] <locust> anyone think that it’s reasonable that new shorting should be prohibited after this event until situation settles down ?
[17:49] <Commonman> http://members.tripod.com/humanodes/wtc.htm
[17:49] <bubbles> he is on a plane coming back to dc
[17:49] <WinTrak> Time for Al Haigh to declare himself acting Pres..
[17:49] <itchy> After they “get the job done” will they willingly relinquish these powers? Most likely not
[17:49] <Yogibear> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B955E1372%2D39DC%2D46DA%2D9B46%2D9EE581DE8B24%7D&siteid=mktw
[17:49] <shebesavvy> last heard, bush at SAC in Nebraska
[17:49] <mk> pretty safe to say we will experience the biggest down day possible once market reopens they’ll shut it right back down due to curbs
[17:49] <Commonman> I used to proudly show it to people as my neat amateur photo
[17:49] <bubbles> he was last in cheyenne mountain
[17:50] <Yogibear> Bush is going to Wash. D.C>
[17:50] <duke1> I like this guy on CNN
[17:50] <shields> Bush is on the Doomsday plane   the flying bunker
[17:50] <bobby44> if us down 8 or 10 percent, ill be buying
[17:50] <bucko> i think the market will surprise you
[17:50] <itchy> US now 90% ceertain Bin Laden is responsible per CNBC
[17:50] <dw> “We all know Bill Meehan, the greatest guy on earth, was on the 105th floor of the North tower of the World Trade Center.” quote from Herb Greenberg.
[17:51] <Photon> Bush needs to gird against the financial problems he knows will happen
[17:51] <Scorp^> CBS says bush in route to DC now
[17:51] <PT1> trading curbs should be in effect, all selling should be only allowed if there are upticks
[17:51] <Treller> No Greenspan That scares me
[17:51] <AV_OUT> CNN – – clueless guy stating the obvious
[17:51] <pacman> HUrray for lawrence Eagleburger, he got it right.
[17:51] <Pogo> more cbs footage
[17:51] <shebesavvy> mutual fund lines must be jammed
[17:51] <Jones> whether or not Bin laden did this latest attack, he should be hunted for that first attack that could have turned out worse than this one
[17:52] <pacman> I want Eagleburger for president.
[17:52] <AV_OUT> pac – that was the clueless guy i was mentioning
[17:52] <pse> whos Bill Meehan ?
[17:52] <pttrdr> heres the plan….1.  make a complete list of all known terrorists  2. kill them   3.  tell american people each time one gets nailed
[17:52] <rac1> cbs running amateur video
[17:52] <detexb> that plane almost went through the bldg.
[17:52] <boardsport> hillary on cnbc. I wonder if she is going to talk about her friend hassada arafat.
[17:52] <crackerGA> CBS all new footage NOW
[17:52] <Treller> Giuli for Prez
[17:52] <incog> I bet they used those ceramic knives that can’t be detected by metal detectors.
[17:52] <rac1> cantor people must be in bad shape
[17:52] <shebesavvy> enter the warriors by popular clamor
[17:52] <AV_OUT> he thought we “had solved the hijacking problem” oops
[17:52] <lightplay> how far is NYSE from WTC?
[17:53] <itchy> 5 blocks
[17:53] <locust> didi WTC have any residential areas or all commercial ?
[17:53] <Treller> Wall Street 1/4 to 1/3 mile
[17:53] <AV_OUT> we’re going to be listening to pundits reviewing what we’ve already discussed here for 1/2 a day
[17:53] <pacman> Bush better say what I want to hear tonight, or he is a wimp.
[17:53] <Treller> crow flies I mean little less
[17:54] <rac1> imo you will see a response from the us military like you have never seen
[17:54] <Stox_afk> bbl
[17:54] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> Still picture collection  http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b9e22211a41.htm
[17:54] <Aardvark> rac1 – against WHOM?
[17:54] <Yogibear> Pentagon fires out
[17:54] <rac1> those thought to be responsible, or their protectors
[17:55] <Ssuperfly> Hey you
[17:55] <Commonman> Giuliani would be an interesting president
[17:55] <WinTrak> if we do not act.. we will be punished again.. as the world of terrorist will perceive us as weak and vernerable..
[17:55] <Ssuperfly> you losers this here with sue the ho???
[17:55] <rmk> I just saw a view from the ground of the second plane going into second tower that I had not seen before….that view was unbelievable
[17:55] <Commonman> tough as nails…now whether he could survive Washington is another thing
[ [17:55] <Commonman> but God help any of our enemies if he were in office
[17:55] <nickgc> quick trigger finger
[17:56] <Treller> Giuli looks great
[17:56] <Scorp^> 🙂
[17:56] <Mel1> same here rmk
[17:56] <DB_Cooper> nice script Scorp^ 🙂
[17:56] <rmk> the damn plane didnt break apart on the outside….it went entirely IN the building
[17:56] <rac1> knocking down the wtc was hideous, but they attacked the pentagon itself, and appears as though they were targeting the white house or senate as well
[17:56] <Scorp^> stole it  🙂
[17:57] <bizee> that was amazing video rmk of that
[17:57] <Matrix1> is today round 1?
[17:57] <codeblue> explosions in afganistan
[17:57] <codeblue> can here them on tv
[17:57] <Matrix1> please no ww3
[17:57] <bg> cnn kabul under attack
[17:57] <rac1> the pilot of the plane in pa may have prevented the elimination of a significant chunk of our government
[17:57] <Photon> US attacking afganistan ?
[17:57] <StephenB> is it us already?
[17:57] <nICK> NICE
[17:57] <dw> Palestinians are jubilant.
[17:57] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> CNN reporting explosions in Kabul
[17:57] <bizee> i knew GW wasn’t just sitting doing nothing
[17:57] <Wizski> explosions in Kabul, Afghanistan.
[17:57] <Photon> Oh man
[17:57] <Treller> Folks in the room here asking what is closest battle group thast we just launched
[17:57] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> live on CNN
[17:57] <mk> wow talk about swift retribution
[17:57] <Photon> shooting from the hip
[17:57] <Wizski> cruises missles.
[17:57] <nICK> lets see how long theyre remain jubilant
[17:57] <bucko> here we go
[17:58] <DB_Cooper> AWACS launched in Wa.
[17:58] <xstanx> Afganistan getting bombed
[17:58] <bucko> DJN: DJ CNN Reports Explosions In Kabul, Afghanistan
[17:58] <mflutie> Afganiustan missles
[17:58] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 17:58:28)
[17:58] <spx> Why Kabul? Have they identified the terrorists?
[17:58] <duke1> I knew Bush wouldnt disappoint US
[17:58] <nICK> atta boy bush
[17:58] <kass> Kabul is being fired!
[17:58] <shebesavvy> missles launched from where?
[17:58] <codeblue> sending a msg that supporting terrorists is no okay
[17:58] <nICK> unleash hell
[17:58] <mk> I have to admit, Gore woulda took months, Bush the right man for this
[17:59] <Suzanne> oh man
[17:59] <shebesavvy> oh man woman and child
[17:59] <Photon> My feeling exactly Suz
[17:59] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> I’m sorry, but I hope they rain fire on them for days
[17:59] <duke1> They woke up the Giant
[17:59] <codeblue> they prob. have info. we don’t at this point about how this was started
[17:59] <shebesavvy> the sleeping giant
[17:59] <StephenB> assuming it is us…but if it is from the air, probably is
[17:59] <theMAXX> is that confirmed us?
[17:59] <theMAXX> attacking?
[17:59] <Mel1> this could get outa control if the wrong moves are made here
[17:59] <mflutie> hope they have actual targets to launch against
[18:00] <pttrdr> KABUL on fire
[18:00] <codeblue> could be Russia too I suppose
[18:00] <pttrdr> KABUL on fire
[18:00] <dieseldave> on cnn
[18:00] <nICK> yep
[18:00] <mk> it’s on TV right now
[18:00] <locust> no confirm on who’s attacking
[18:00] <sail> MW 17:58 EXPLOSIONS IN KABUL, AFGHANISTAN – CNN
[18:00] <sail> DJ 17:58 DJ CNN Reports Explosions In Kabul, Afghanistan
[18:00] <theMAXX> it may be an attempt to start WW3
[18:00] <duke1> Who else would it be the russians:)
[18:00] <StephenB> no confirm it is the US, but attack is right on the TV
[18:00] <bizee> could be any US friend
[18:00] <Wizski> oh Mel1, it has been under control in what manner so far?
[18:00] <DB_Cooper> yes CNN
[18:00] <theMAXX> they would bomb their own city
[18:00] <locust> could the Putin giving us a hand
[18:00] <theMAXX> don’t doubt it
[18:00] <dieseldave> could be isreal
[18:00] <DB_Cooper> kabul
[18:00] <Cha-ching> we bombed afghanistan
[18:00] <Cha-ching> about time
[18:01] <Photon> Not good
[18:01] <pttrdr> they are using a video telephone to show the attack
[18:01] <pttrdr> kabul
[18:01] <codeblue> CNN – not always my favorite reporting – but this is amazing
[18:01] <StephenB> if it is US, we will call a news conference real soon…did so in 1991
[18:01] <sp0> were the markets open during war world two?
[18:01] <Wizski> ^5 Bush.
[18:01] <Photon> Knee Jerk reaction… I was afraid of that
[18:01] <Wizski> yes sp0
[18:01] <deac> listening to a professor of islamic studies- said mohammid(sp) claimed to be told by allah to kill all christians and jews
[18:01] <mflutie> could be the Terrorists THEMSELVES trying to show ‘poor civilians’ retailiated agaist,,,so much else has been carefully planned never know
[18:01] <dumper> CNN the only one that has it
[18:01] <Suzanne> its not on any of the network stations
[18:01] <nICK> lets see some bigger explosions…
[18:01] <deac> kabul could be fakeout by somebody wanting to start ww3
[18:02] <mflutie> CNN exclusive
[18:02] <Scorp^> I have it here on ABC
[18:02] <Scorp^> Suzanne
[18:02] <DB_Cooper> cable or sat
[18:02] <NY has  > ABC NY no
[18:02] <dumper> sat here
[18:02] <PT1> US would not attack if they did not have reliable info imo
[18:02] <theMAXX> correct
[18:02] <rac1> today was for all purposes a declaration of war, imo us will act accordingly and not debate the issue
[18:02] <Scorp^> wow missile strikes
[18:02] <DB_Cooper> NBC now
[18:02] <nICK> its on em all…a beautifull sight at this point in my eyes
[18:02] <Treller> Its a huge attack
[18:02] <Mel1> I hope ur right PT1
[18:02] <shebesavvy> oh? remember pharmaceutical factory bombing?
[18:02] <duke1> Bush gets A A++++
[18:03] <bizee> MSNBC late on it
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[18:03] <theMAXX> exactly StephenB
[18:03] <WinTrak> Bush has got to come forward.. let the world know he’s in charge and what’s going on..
[18:03] <Treller> need full fleet air strike
[18:03] <Photon> I want to see the justification
[18:03] <dw> Western allies against terrorist supporters just beginning.
[18:03] <locust> Putin has no love for the afghanies
[18:03] <pttrdr> i would have like to seen a cruise missile ask a question at that Taliban news conference earlier
[18:03] <StephenB> Bsuh will tell,….nothing us pions can do but wait
[18:03] <sp0> do any of you believe in God?
[18:03] <nICK> reloading
[18:03] <Wizski> okay, we don’t need anyones permission to protect our shores.
[18:03] <StephenB> Sush
[18:03] <StephenB> Bush…lol
[18:04] <gtt> i know locust more of a threat to russ also
[18:04] <bizee> I hope the ‘allies’ dont  wimp out on us, and support us on this
[18:04] <ZOOS150> we arent sure this is an attack?
[18:04] <locust> count the french out
[18:04] <dumper> it is an attack
[18:04] <locust> brits will sign on
[18:04] <dumper> just dont know who
[18:04] <deac> 2:35 am in kabul
[18:04] <locust> send some Taliban off to Allah
[18:04] <codeblue> tough to fake out those missile traces, imo
[18:05] <sp0> http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/nosearch.htm          <– has all the books of nostradamus online
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[18:05] <xstanx> i support bush if he is bombing Afganistan
[18:05] <codeblue> I don’t see what blowing up a fuel dump will do though.
[18:05] <bucko> NATO already gave full support already
[18:05] <OnePercenter> yep, time to nuke the taliban
[18:05] <pttrdr> a couple of tactical nukes at extremist strongholds  would work
[18:05] <incog> I thought we were just about out of cruise missiles after Yugoslavia
[18:05] <nICK> no nukes
[18:05] <verona> any site where one can watch cnn live?
[18:05] <nICK> we dont need that
[18:05] <dw> sp0: God would approve of the irradication of terrorists.
[18:05] <xstanx> ptt yup imo should be nukes before they get away
[18:06] <Wizski> it takes a bit of time to get the big guns in place. These are tactical strikes, quick.
[18:06] <Mel1> incog…that is correct
[18:06] <Photon> Bush can lose world support if he shoots from the hip
[18:06] <sp0> dw, why is that
[18:06] <BullTrain> KABUL, AFGANISTAN under attack live now 2:30am , Fuel Bank 5-8 miles long hit
[18:06] <bucko> hes has world support
[18:06] <pttrdr> tactical nukes  are limited in impact     not strategic MIRVs
[18:06] <xstanx> well im not the president thank god
[18:06] <sunnyyyy> this attack on afganistan is justified
[18:06] <mk> no I’m sure we were close to attacking these idiots anyway, the plan was probably already ready
[18:06] <locust> neutron bombs would be nice – we may have them who knows
[18:06] <Commonman> If I drive 45 mins west of here to the Tappan Zee bridge, I would normally be able to look from the bridge and see the WTC
[18:06] <BullTrain> unreal
[18:06] <locust> clean weapons
[18:06] <nICK> hell yes it is…
[18:06] <rac1> it isnt like they just hijacked a plane or even blew up a military ship… they attacked the united states of america, right here
[18:06] <incog> the must already know who is responsible
[18:07] <Commonman> I assume I”d see a huge cloud of smoke right now still
[18:07] <dumper> if this was BUSH or the U.S attacking it would be much worse
[18:07] <corruptor> if we aren’t attacking afghanistan who is?
[18:07] <deac> that 24-7 news site somebody posted earlier said they’ll have the suitcase nukes ready for next step
[18:07] <dw> sp0: You must be a “flower child.”
[18:07] <corruptor> i doubt we would be attacking so quickly
[18:07] <incog> I don’t
[18:07] <sunnyyyy> I do not
[18:07] <duke1> russia could be helping they hate them anyhow:)
[18:07] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> verona, try cnn.com/videoselect
[18:07] <Matrix1> we should not attack anyone
[18:07] <bucko> bush can send a message prior to when he speaks
[18:07] <corruptor> US will not attack without enough proof
[18:08] <sunnyyyy> true everyone catanic  but we must have security that would do this
[18:08] <Matrix1> no ww3 .. please
[18:08] <rac1> the israelies could be attacking
[18:08] <sp0> I might be called to go to war anyone know the expected time period i have before i am sent a letter of service?
[18:08] <WinTrak> not enough.. we’ll have terror again.. must eliminate the support structure..
[18:08] <Photon> Please don’t let this be Bush
[18:08] <verona> thks eddie
[18:08] <theMAXX> Bin Ladin himself could be orchestrating this – to provoke a war
[18:08] <codeblue> you’ll get a phone call if they need you sp0
[18:08] <dumper> spO is that your phone ringing
[18:08] <corruptor> maxx i agree
[18:08] <deac> pakistan hates these guys also right?
[18:08] <sp0> =(
[18:08] <StephenB> this is very sophisticated, don’t doubt theMAXX for a moment
[18:09] <mk> attacking Afghan won’t start a war, noone likes them
[18:09] <locust> taliban started out in pakistan i believe
[18:09] <deac> pakistan hates india for sure
[18:09] <xstanx> i would like to hear from bush if its us or not
[18:09] <Yogibear> I’d say we are attacking at the wrong time
[18:09] <locust> were a small muslim sect and caught on with the populace
[18:09] <codeblue> they’ve staged incidents before to manipulate the media
[18:09] <pttrdr> Imagine if Jesse the body Ventura was US president right now  and not just gov of minnesota
[18:09] <Aardvark> no confirmation it’s our attack yet
[18:09] <nICK> oh its an attack
[18:09] <Yogibear> we need to wait until 9Am so their buildings are full
[18:09] <Photon> Afganistan has nuclear weapons
[18:09] <pttrdr> a post steroidal episode could be the end of life as we know it
[18:09] <sunnyyyy> civil war in afganistan
[18:10] <Treller> Is Bill Cohen drunk?
[18:10] <codeblue> saying could be civil war in Afganistan
[18:10] <xstanx> photon i dont think they can send them too us
[18:10] <mflutie> CNN interview saying it’s not us attacking
[18:10] <corruptor> no way it’s us
[18:10] <pttrdr> afghanistan limited tactical nukes  range of a few hundred miles at best
[18:10] <WinTrak> Hatch has already said,” treat the supporters of terrorist as equaly responsible..”
[18:10] <corruptor> we wouldn’t attack without proof
[18:10] <Aardvark> unless of course they put a nuke on a plane
[18:10] <corruptor> we are civilized
[18:11] <Treller> we have proof sir
[18:11] <corruptor> no we don’t treller
[18:11] <Photon> Doesn’t matter, that can domino
[18:11] <Bubba> http://www.goarmy.com/findrecr/index.htm
[18:11] <corruptor> what proof do we have treller?
[18:11] <sail> we don’t know what info the us gov’t has
[18:11] <rac1> i think us intelligence has lots of proof, they been listening to every international phone call for one thing
[18:11] <pttrdr> the safest place to be if an afghan aims one of his two or three working nukes at you (depending on current allocation of duct tape)  is right where he is aiming it
[18:11] <codeblue> we might attack without proof, if there is only suspicion they’re terrorists.
[18:11] <Treller> 90%% organizational cpability?
[18:11] <corruptor> still, ..we have to make some type of declaration before we attack
[18:11] <corruptor> we don’t just attack
[18:12] <Photon> exactly
[18:12] <sail> i told you something was coming when they shut down all us embassies a few hours ago
[18:12] <Bubba> maybe we did……..
[18:12] <WinTrak> Bush too quiet.. not good..
[18:12] <Photon> nope
[18:12] <pttrdr> baseball canceled tonight
[18:13] <StephenB> wow, this feels SO much bigger than 1991
[18:13] <pttrdr> it is
[18:13] <bucko> what do you want him to do, publically give updates every 10 minutes
[18:13] <Pogo> bush doing fine. action, not words
[18:13] <rac1> to his credit bush has talked repeatedly about a terrorist threat.. he is probably not completely surprised and wants to act very quickly
[18:13] <deac> speaking of listening ‘big brother’ now will have excuse to monitor all emails which right wing groups already think is happening
[18:13] <Treller> Win Trak you said it all and so has every cell at my livingroom
[18:13] <Pogo> shwartzkopf on cnbc
[18:14] <sp0> i need to get a pet cat before i go to war.     Also if you guys have coupons for body armor   please msg me with infoz , thanks guys
[18:14] <deac> all cell phone use is monitorable i hear
[18:14] <sail> imo us gov’t & nyc response has been fine today
[18:14] <petral> my scannaer recieves cell phones but not new digital
[18:15] <petral> just analog
[18:15] <Bubba> petral, need an upgarde?
[18:15] <Aardvark> deac – NSA has ability to listen to any phone call, email, etc in USA
[18:15] <corruptor> KABUL (Reuters) – Afghanistan (news – web sites)’s Taliban rulers moved quickly to deny that Saudi militant Osama bin Laden (news – web sites), whom they are sheltering, was capable of causing Tuesday’s colossal terror assault on the United States.
[18:15] <corruptor> Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammad Omar and other officials of his hard-line Islamic movement condemned the attacks as terrorist acts and said they were too complex to have been organized by bin Laden from Afghanistan.
[18:15] <rac1> imo the gvt knows much, much more about what is going on, but it is difficult to act pre-emptively.. now they have the green light to take out these known perpetrators
[18:15] <Mel1> CNN casting some suspision on internal group in Kabul
[18:16] <Treller> spff Purina Special Diet is adding a full pound free. 4.15 pounds of cat food this week
[18:16] <deac> new super computers recently put online prob able to monitor whole planet phone/email
[18:16] <Aardvark> no doubt
[18:16] <WinTrak> Kadafy could come forward as the leader of the anti-west group.. who will lead the mid-east contigent with oil money missels against the devils of the west..
[18:16] <dumper> High U.S. offical saying attack is not i repeat Not the us
[18:17] <deac> it has definitely changed today they’ll have to monitor from now on
[18:17] <Photon> Thank God
[18:17] <xstanx> deac for some time computers could be monitored
[18:17] <deac> lol
[18:17] <pttrdr> would someone please wake me up and tell me this is a bad mad for tv movie or an orson wells hoax
[18:17] <tami>  dumper, do you have a url?
[18:17] <dumper> was just on t.v ABC
[18:18] <pttrdr> pentagon briefing shortly
[18:18] <dumper> cought it on a channel scan
[18:18] <xstanx> terrorists woke a sleeping giant
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[18:18] <tami> k, thanks
[18:18] <WinTrak> corruptor is right.. look to Nostradamus..
[18:18] <mflutie> thatYahoo post I posted earlier that was made last night. ..someone has posted an analysis that I can’t say looks too far off..
[18:18] <mflutie> 1 First of all the mis-spellings indicates that the poster is not very good at English which one can assume he is a foreigner.
[18:18] <deac> it has been mentioned often today on tv things prob not gonna be the same and our songw said it right away when 2nd plane hit
[18:18] <mflutie> #2 If you replace the word “earth” with the word “World” you now get “Center of the world” of “World Center” meaning “World Trade Center”.
[18:18] <mflutie> #3 “Destruction of the North East”, New York City is in the North East.
[18:18] <mflutie> #4 The word “Providence” in the dictionary means “Guardians of Gods Creatures” which could mean the United States since we are the World wide police force.
[18:18] <dumper> 1 of my 900 satilite channels
[18:19] <pttrdr> Rumsfeld is probably the most experienced  sober and intelligent def secretary we could hope for in this situation
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[18:19] <Pogo> pretty amazing how those towers fell
[18:19] <Suzanne> geeze, hurricanes too??????
[18:19] <Yogibear> I like Rumsfeld, he’s my kind a bastid
[18:19] <Scorp^> all we need is another volcano
[18:19] <StephenB> huh,,,isn’t that staying off shore?
[18:19] <PMA> gee suz i got planes over my head next to wright patterson air force base
[18:19] <Wizski> lol Yogi
[18:19] <Treller> Maybe somebody is fighting for us?
[18:20] <Yogibear> perfect pick
[18:20] <dumper> that Hurrican not going to hit NYC though thank god
[18:20] <Yogibear> nobody tries to drive an airliner into MY office
[18:20] <Photon> I was born and raised near WPAFB
[18:20] <xstanx> could the same group who hit us be bombing Afganistan trying to start ww3
[18:20] <Suzanne> <– af brat
[18:20] <mflutie> concerning the Afgan bombings, I posted thi earlier… may not be wrong
[18:20] <mflutie> [18:02] <mflutie> could be the Terrorists THEMSELVES trying to show ‘poor civilians’ retailiated agaist,,,so much else has been carefully planned never know
[18:20] <PMA> something up here photon
[18:20] <Photon> That’s a big base
[18:21] <PMA> jets
[18:21] * Yogibear 6:19pm 09/11/01 PENTAGON TO ISSUE BRIEFING SHORTLY – CNN
[18:21] <Commonman> The disruption of normal life in the tristate area JUST from the shutdown of the NY area airports is incredible
[18:21] <StephenB> hurricane almost stationary  http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/UnitedStatesVisibleLoop/
[18:21] <Scorp^>  <<– military brat too
[18:21] <Commonman> the more you think about it, it will make you crazy
[18:21] <WinTrak> it appears several officials of tec companies died either on the planes or on the ground.. does anyone have more info?
[18:21] <pttrdr> God Bless and Keep Safe all US Servicemen and women
[18:21] <corruptor> any service men in here?
[18:21] <PMA> i know that new program that the govt started with terroists acts one group headed to nyc from here
[18:21] <shebesavvy> and the rescuers on the ground
[18:21] <pttrdr> Servicemen are under Delta
[18:21] <Aardvark> Warren Christopher on MSNBC
[18:22] <PMA> or should say catastophies
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[18:22] <mflutie>  Warren Christopher on MSNBC?? I’ll watch CNN
[18:22] <Gina> Is anybody in christian belief and could honestly pray for my friends  and relatives  tooo???
[18:22] <Yogibear> I talked to my dad, he’s a retired AF Col.  said time to call in all the chits and take these guys out once and for all
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[18:22] <Wizski> ^5 Yogi, I like your dad.
[18:23] <Yogibear> he went to war after pearl harbor
[18:23] <Suzanne> they have a ” spirit of america ” relief fund here in austin gang, and im positive there are the same forming in your own home towns, as down as this mkt has been, each and every one of us need to consider our fortunate positins and do what we can
[18:23] <Yogibear> was in Korea and Vietnam
[18:23] <rac1> any way you look at it, its not gonna be easy and could get very, very messy, to say the least
[18:23] <shebesavvy> i hear you suz
[18:23] <WinTrak> this is more destruction on American soil than in the previous 4 wars.. cause for declaration of war..
[18:23] <corruptor> hurricane about to hit east coast?
[18:23] <Yogibear> also my kinda bastid
[18:24] <corruptor> doesn’t afghanistan get explosions everyday?
[18:24] <shebesavvy> anything further out of Kabul?
[18:24] <pttrdr> no
[18:24] <JayT> what? hurricane?
[18:24] <Scorp^> they are having a civil war per CBS
[18:24] <Yogibear> no
[18:24] <DB_Cooper> CCN – reporter says “they looked like cruise missles”
[18:24] <corruptor> http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/UnitedStatesVisibleLoop/
[18:25] <Yogibear> looked like missiles to me also
[18:25] <codeblue> codeblue <<- af brat
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[18:25] <locust> Threatcon Delta still in effect at the naval base where girlfriend works  but they’re letting everyone leave at the usual time
[18:25] <sail> DJ 18:25 *DJ O’Neill: US Fin Mkts “Strong and Resilient”
[18:25] <sail> DJ 18:25 *DJ Tsy’s O’Neill: Fin Mkts Worked “Extraordinarily Well”
[18:25] <JayT> i use that too…thats all we need here
[18:25] <locust> worked well ?   they never opened
[18:25] <WinTrak> news is on highten alert.. everyone trying to get the big story.. question everything..
[18:26] <Yogibear> all say act of war
[18:26] <WinTrak> yea for Hatch..
[18:26] <rac1> orrin hatch says as far as he’s concerned its an act of war
[18:26] <shebesavvy> thanks for satellite image of hurricane
[18:26] <gtt> yogis dad is right
[18:26] <rac1> “we should act accordingly”
[18:26] <StephenB> np
[18:26] <codeblue> communications captured saying ben laden “got two targets”
[18:27] <codeblue> per CNN gues
[18:27] <codeblue> t
[18:27] <Scorp^> 2 of how many is the question
[18:27] <xstanx> right rac1 he also said usa heard phone calls to bin ladan saying they got the targets
[18:27] <Crocodile> is this paula zhan….and is this her first appearance on cnn?
[18:27] <Yogibear> they killed women and children on our shores
[18:27] <DB_Cooper> Hood Canal Bridge closed for marine traffic = Nuclear Subs
[18:27] <rac1> us intelligence knows, imo
[18:28] <rac1> a little late though
[18:28] <pttrdr> Orrin Hatch is a fine good man with common sensibilities
[18:28] <shebesavvy> god help us, nuclear subs
[18:28] <xstanx> Afganistan started war with us if bin laden did this
[18:28] <rac1> hatch definitely talking tough now
[18:28] <Yogibear> MTV is off air, showing CBS news
[18:28] <locust> oh yeah – Bangor subs going out to sea
[18:28] <Yogibear> this is serious
[18:28] <Yogibear> LOL
[18:28] <corruptor> think bin laden is playing afghanistan for a fool
[18:28] <Matrix1> MTV lame
[18:29] <Matrix1> MTV was showing dance moves not so long ago
[18:29] <codeblue> nuke subs prob. a routine thing at this level of alert – got to get them out to sea, so they aren’t sitting ducks
[18:29] <StephenB> Internet pretty wonderful today, all things considered
[18:29] <ZOOS150> .that couldnt have been an us attack
[18:29] <ZOOS150> too easy
[18:29] <Matrix1> glad they in the real world now
[18:29] <AV_OUT> yes steph
[18:29] <itchy> Bush to speak at 9:00 EST
[18:29] <bubbles> exactly codeblue
[18:29] <Suzanne> Peter Jennings Lord bless him, he looks exahusted
[18:29] <locust> almost bought a place along Hood Canal DB – would have been a sight to see
[18:29] <sail> some info on the businesses in wtc — http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/11/162027.shtml
[18:29] <bubbles> id be suprised if any military machinery is sitting still right now
[18:29] <StephenB> contemplate no Internet and no cable, wondering if the Big One is about to go off over you head any moment
[18:30] <pttrdr> dan Rather  who i normally consider to be a liberal twit  is doing a marvelous job today
[18:30] <Yogibear> yes
[18:30] <Scorp^> you will remember this day as long as you live
[18:30] <xstanx> yep
[18:30] <mflutie> yes
[18:30] <xstanx> sad
[18:30] <sail> American Express Financial Services and Merrill Lynch have major headquarters facilities in the complex but not in the towers themselves.
[18:30] <JayT> CBS has new footage on the towers with verbal language discribing the attack never heard on local tv….
[18:30] <xstanx> and mad
[18:30] <StephenB> Dan doesn’t have time to editorialize today
[18:30] <shebesavvy> yes we will
[18:30] <Aardvark> and let us hope that is many many years for all of ys
[18:30] <Scorp^> and to think I spent it with you guys  🙂
[18:31] <mflutie>  same as JFK assassination if you watched it then
[18:31] <pttrdr> stephen good point
[18:31] <bizee> my daughter said that,  ‘this is something I’ll tell my children’
[18:31] <Scorp^> maybe I better save this log
[18:31] <Yogibear> my son said the same
[18:31] <Suzanne> it is something im telling my kids right now 🙁
[18:31] <WinTrak> about time for some other of the wishy washy politicians to come out and act tough.. make the American people feel better.. particularly the friends and family of the wounded and dead..IMO
[18:31] <pttrdr> Scorp  it will be an heirloom for your grandchildren
[18:31] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> unfortunately 2day is my wedding anniversary
[18:31] <Scorp^> yep
[18:32] <pttrdr> hey  scorp grand kids   my nick is pronounce  peeteeetrader
[18:32] <mflutie> .
[18:32] <pttrdr> pronounced
[18:32] <locust> The following countries or airlines have simulators capable of
[18:32] <locust>                 training pilots for such planes: Ethiopian Air, Ethiopian Air,
[18:32] <locust>                 Egypt Air, Gulf Air, Turkmenistan Air, Azerbaijan Air, Kenya Air,
[18:32] <locust>                 and the Saudi Airlines. There may be others, but this information
[18:32] <locust>                 may help narrow the list of suspects.
[18:32] <codeblue> my daughter said “we just learned about the World Trade Center last week”
[18:32] <incog> When I was small during the Kennedy assasination, words were not necessary Suzanne, just let them watch and learn and grow up a bit.
[18:32] <skifreak> i think cbs could do without showing a close up of someone falling from the building though
[18:32] <locust> http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/9/11/155559
[18:32] <Suzanne> well sorta off topic, but you guys did great today on posting news, again.. as with any thing.. we are the best source on the internet for news and information
[18:32] <Suzanne> you guys have been tireless, and thanks
[18:33] <pttrdr> and in that vein suz   the comraderie  during this catastrophe has been invaluable
[18:33] <incog> AT had it before even CNN all day
[18:33] <StephenB> we have so many eyes and sources…too bad we also had too many on the front lines in NYC
[18:33] <Stox> #AT beat my local stations by 15 min on the announcement
[18:33] <rac1> you can kind of understand how americans may have felt in the depths of the depression, having to fight a war in europe.. these bastids have kicked us while we are down, but america has always risen to the toughest challenges
[18:33] <Mr-Fast-Eddie-2U> news was posted here well before anywhere else
[18:34] <xstanx> yes
[18:34] <xstanx> news stations are watching us
[18:34] <Scorp^> mkt dumping this morning was my 1st indication though
[18:34] <xstanx> to get the news
[18:34] <xstanx> : )
[18:34] <bubbles> video on cnn
[18:34] <bubbles> amazing
[18:35] <bubbles> the plane went into the building like it was butter
[18:35] <shebesavvy> describe please, no tv
[18:35] <nICK> no its horrible
[18:35] <xstanx> scorp i wonder if bin laden shorted the markets
[18:35] <skifreak> i believe market will have short covering when the market reopens
[18:35] <nICK> not amazing
[18:35] <bubbles> yes, horrible
[18:35] <Treller> It would be something like this – “Tonight I want every American to get up and do whatever you do or can do tomorrow to do the absolute best that you can do at your work. Return every call, support every local effort. If there is no work, give. The content and quality of American character will rise here and I believe it will be decisive across all fronts, including financial fronts in which we excel.”  Poor spelling and quotes from Mr. King. Thanks all
[18:35] <StephenB> those towers were big…that plane was seemingly like a fly on it…or a wasp
[18:35] * Yogibear 6:33pm 09/11/01 WHITE HOUSE SAYS KABUL EXPLOSIONS NOT U.S. STRIKE – CNN
[18:36] <StephenB> DOW JONES)   DJN: DJ US Oil Indus: Fuel Supplies Sufficient After Attacks
[18:36] <StephenB> DJN: DJ US Oil Indus: Fuel Supplies Sufficient After Attacks
[18:36] <bubbles> yes…i would have expected the plan to start to break apart as soon as it hit the building, but it didn’t
[18:36] <skifreak> 40,000 gallons of fuel makes it a big fly though
[18:36] <shebesavvy> tthey must have radar-tracked and know the source?
[18:37] <Aardvark> what amazes me is they tracked Payne Stewart’s plane so quickly
[18:37] <Aardvark> and here we had a number of JETLINERS
[18:37] <locust> Wednesday, September 12 2:50 AM SGT
[18:37] <locust>           “Bullseye,” say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks
[18:37] <locust>           CAIRO, Sept 11 (AFP) –
[18:37] <locust>           Egyptian students, taxi drivers and shopkeepers crowded round television sets stacked up in electrical store windows in downtown Cairo Tuesday evening, celebrating a string of
[18:37] <locust>           elaborate attacks on New York and Washington.
[18:37] <locust>           “Bullseye,” commented two taxi drivers as they watched footage of the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York shrouded in plumes of smoke after two presumably
[18:37] <locust>           hijacked planes slammed into them earlier in the day.
[18:37] <locust> http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/headlines/010912/world/afp/_Bullseye___say_Egyptians_as_they_celebrate_anti-US_attacks.html
[18:37] <bucko> what was the time between the second wtc plane and the one atthe pentagon
[18:37] <StephenB> even so, even if we knew there were terrorists on board…shooting a plane would be unthinkable…until now
[18:38] <rac1> its very possible that airtraffic knew something was up but what could they do?  these guys all got on planes about the same time.. the coordination was very close
[18:38] <StephenB> yes, very sophisticated execution
[18:38] <rac1> there could be other terrorists on planes yet, or who were waiting to board a late flight..
[18:38] <bizee> FAA acted quickly to shut down flights,  who knows what else might have happened
[18:39] <pttrdr> yes  that was quick action
[18:39] <meebbie> it was around 30 minutes Bucko..
[18:39] <StephenB> knowing that from diff. airports, you’d converge so relatively concurrently
[18:39] <bucko> thx meebbie
[18:39] <Mel1> I’m thinking more like 20 minutes
[18:39] <Suzanne> thos buildings went down too perfectly
[18:40] <incog> agree Suz
[18:40] <meebbie> airforce one is landed …. in washington…
[18:40] <StephenB> playing with the transponders possibly…training, execution…would make James Bond and Number One proud
[18:40] <bucko> and timely
[18:40] <rac1> in fact it stands to reason that others were unable to carry out there mission, but four were
[18:40] <Suzanne> like a demolition job
[18:40] <AV_OUT> it’s gravity
[18:40] <Scorp^> no, guys, that is how most buildings would react
[18:40] <Suzanne> and 90 mins into it
[18:40] <Commonman> Swedes anticipated the Afghan attack..this was from USA Today before 2 pm
[18:40] <Commonman> STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AFP) — Swedish aid workers in Afghanistan fear U.S. strikes on targets there if Saudi dissident Osama Bin Laden, who is said to reside in the country, was found to be behind Tuesday’s terrorist attacks in the United States, the Swedish Afghanistan Committee said.
[18:40] <Commonman> “I am very concerned about what is going to happen. The U.S. has bombed the country before, and this time the damages in New York are so vast that the revenge can be expected to be terrible,” Sweden’s TT news agency quoted Pia Karlsson of the Swedish Afghanistan Committee as saying.
[18:40] <AV_OUT> steel get hot, steel gets weak – building collapses
[18:40] <rac1> those planes that hit the wtc were loaded with fuel for a transcontinetal flight
[18:40] * Yogibear 6:40pm 09/11/01 AIR FORCE ONE HAS LANDED AT ANDREWS AFB – CNN
[18:41] <StephenB> those lower floors were never designed for that slam-dunk from above with 1000s of tons of concrete and steel
[18:41] <bucko> the whole sub structure of that area has to be suspect now, no?
[18:41] <deac> cashin said fed has reason to cut soon
[18:41] <shebesavvy> huge subway station under towers
[18:41] <Scorp^> yes bucko – it will be leveled, no salvaging any part of it
[18:41] <bizee> that cnn video of Dr.  so eerily quiet right after the debris fell
[18:41] <rac1> like a giant wrecking ball
[18:41] <AV_OUT> no bucko – it’s just the way structures like that fail
[18:41] <skifreak> about 125,000 pounds of fuel in one plane
[18:42] <ZOOS150> evidence appointing to Osama Bin Laden
[18:42] <WinTrak> this will cause the military/industrial complex to go full force fueling the economy like nothing else could..  work for anyone who wants it.. stocks will dump then roar.. IMO
[18:42] <incog> rumsfeld on CNN
[18:42] <locust> thank God Kudlow’s safe
[18:42] <StephenB> subways, gas, possibly electric and water service, NYC could be looking at its own mini Big Dig
[18:42] <bucko> so none of the surrounding building sub structure compromised?
[18:42] <locust> CNBC
[18:42] <rac1> dont like to think about it but a jetliner loaded with fuel is basically a bomb with wings
[18:42] <JayT> all the markets are closed tomorrow, correct?
[18:42] <Scorp^> yes, they could be bucko
[18:42] <Suzanne> rac, they picked planes that were fully fueled
[18:42] <WinTrak> they are .. bond mkt too..
[18:43] <StephenB> Rumsfeld CNN
[18:43] <JayT> tks
[18:43] <rac1> these guys planned this for a long time
[18:43] <Suzanne> delibertly
[18:43] <bucko> was just thinking it will be some time before they let anyone into that area
[18:43] <incog> Lots of Dads and Moms not coming home tonight
[18:43] <AV_OUT> bucko – i misunderstood you – likely is damage to nearby buildings
[18:44] <Suzanne> oh incog 🙁
[18:44] <bucko> ok, thats what i was thinking
[18:44] <Yogibear> yes
[18:44] <Yogibear> very sad
[18:44] <bizee> go to this link,  most of way down…..nothing left of wtc structure, amazing    http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b9e22211a41.htm
[18:44] <xstanx> dang i didnt realize i would want to see another country bombed so quick kinda surprized myself
[18:44] <Craft>    what i’m i going todo tomarrow
[18:44] <StephenB> picture all the kids not picked up after school, or showing up at an empty house…wondering wtf?? 🙁
[18:44] <jena-> Wednesday, September 12 2:50 AM SGT
[18:44] <jena-> “Bullseye,” say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks
[18:44] <jena-> CAIRO, Sept 11 (AFP) –
[18:45] <Yogibear> everyone watching CNN?
[18:45] <Suzanne> Craft, kiss your family members and pray for the strength and wisdom of our administration
[18:45] <dumper> cnn here
[18:45] <Scorp^> watching several TV’s here
[18:45] <Suzanne> abc here
[18:45] <Commonman> what are the chances bin laden is where he usually is today?  ZERO
[18:45] <dumper> and cnbc
[18:45] <Yogibear> I like this guy
[18:45] <Commonman> like he’s gonna hang around at home?
[18:45] <dumper> and cbs
[18:45] <rac1> what happened today is the realization of a fear that many people have felt deeply, that the us could go the way of the middle east and much of europe
[18:45] <JayT> tHEfED….hope your ok too, we know you live near by like Kane.
[18:45] <dumper> and all other
[18:45] <Yogibear> Gen. Shelton
[18:45] <Suzanne> wow, nice stand by Shelton
[18:45] <Commonman> he’s probably near a hospital or nursery
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[18:46] <Photon> I like Shelton
[18:46] <Suzanne> ditto
[18:46] <Photon> He’s an even headed man
[18:46] <tel> hudson
[18:46] <Suzanne> Warner a good man too imo
[18:46] <Scorp^> yesssss
[18:46] <Photon> make that level headed
[18:47] <Suzanne> ” the most tragic hour in America history ” how true
[18:47] <pttrdr> Warner a good Virginian and a good American
[18:47] <rac1> Suze, i could have been much worse i fear.. those guys wanted to take out the govt
[18:48] <Photon> They did actually… for a day
[18:48] <JayT> but it angers me too….we spend so much money in defence, and how vunerable we are, how easy to penetrate this country
[18:48] <WinTrak> the plane that went down in PA was going elsewhere.. to do much more damage..
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[18:48] <Suzanne> our country is in lock up rac, and it wont end when we lay down tonight, this is the most tragic and frightful day we will ever ever see on american soil
[18:48] <Pogo> that’s because we are Free, jay
[18:49] <rac1> i hope you are right Suzanne
[18:49] <JayT> right
[18:49] <deac> bin laden warning leads arabic editor in london  to say he did it:
[18:49] <rac1> i hope it doesnt get worse
[18:49] <deac> http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/wl/crash_tradecenter_binladen_dc_1.html
[18:49] <corruptor> it’s not the time for discussions?
[18:49] <corruptor> wtf?
[18:49] <pttrdr> for once  i want a politician  to say something  simple and straight  like ” You are damn right and we are going to kick his butt.”
[18:49] <corruptor> why even take the podium
[18:50] <corruptor> if you’re not gonna answer any questions
[18:50] <Suzanne> Shelton basically did, ” your defense is ready ”
[18:50] <deac> hope your right suz- if you are not the suitcase nukes begin
[18:50] <pttrdr> yup
[18:50] <Photon> They aren’t gonna tell you anything… this is war
[18:50] <rac1> bush said it before, and he will say it again tonight… he is gonna unleash fire on someone
[18:50] <Photon> groan
[18:50] <Pogo> we are going to rip Bin Laden out of whatever hole he’s in, then….
[18:50] <diesl> they know who did it imo
[18:50] <WinTrak> terrorist only respect force..
[18:51] <rac1> afterward, the terrorists will strike again.. imo it appears inevitable now
[18:51] <xstanx> yep
[18:51] <rac1> just ask the israelis
[18:51] <diesl> yes but we need to be more protected
[18:51] <Suzanne> as much as i know some of you dont like Pres Bush.. one of his best traits is he is very methodical in taking advice from his advisors, i am assuming thats why its taken so long to get info directly from him, he does veryfew things without his advisors and he always listesn and digests what they say
[18:51] * Suzanne gets off her Pres Bush soap box
[18:52] <rac1> do you hear the man now? “we will hunt down..”
[18:52] <Photon> Good… he’ll need good advice
[18:52] <deac> colin powell in sec of state makes good sense now
[18:52] <Pogo> not only getting advice, but also building consensus (a lesson he learned well from his Dad)
[18:52] <JayT> can you imagine how Boston must feel now, what can they say about their airport security, my God.
[18:52] <StephenB> just because we don’t like certain policies, does NOT mean we dislike everything or the man….that is the heart of being NON partisian
[18:53] <incog> I am sure they scoped out area airports and looked for the worst security.
[18:53] <xstanx> suz i didnt like him much but will support bush 100% with any bay backs he chooses
[18:53] * Yogibear 6:50pm 09/11/01 RUMSFELD: IN NO WAY IS U.S. CONNECTED TO KABUL MISSILES
[18:53] <StephenB> it does make it very hard to pick a candidate on voting day, however
[18:53] <deac> bush been fairly warlike kept bombing iraq when many said not to
[18:53] <diesl> maybe they had some of their people working there or paid off the 6.00 an hour workers
[18:53] <Suzanne> well if he doesnt do the right thing, im just gonna denounce being a Texan and move to songw’s house so he can teach me to be a democrat yankee
[18:53] <Aardvark> what security? they had knives. you can legally carry knives onto planes.
[18:53] <Suzanne> *sigh*
[18:54] <Photon> hehehehe
[18:54] <incog> ceramic knives cannot be detected
[18:54] <Aardvark> until today that is
[18:54] <JayT> CBS has a new vidio that show how direct a hit that second plane had on the other tower. It is horrific
[18:54] <xstanx> well the nation is waiting suz hoping
[18:54] <StephenB> 10 strong armed thugs per plane could have done it…no knives even
[18:54] <Aardvark> metal knives legal to carry onto planes until today too
[18:54] <Photon> songw a dem huh
[18:54] <Scorp^> oh Suzanne – think I’m gonna faint
[18:54] <rac1> bush will give the signal, it will be up to the military to deliver
[18:54] <matsuokah> tennessee yankee?
[18:54] <WinTrak> our enemy is smart.. not going to wait for us to strike.. probably planning new all out attack while watching our politicians on tv postering their non commitment positions.. sad sight..
[18:54] <StephenB> but yes, I know the PA flight reported knives
[18:54] <Suzanne> fact is stranger than fiction eh mats?
[18:54] <matsuokah> aint it tho
[18:54] <xstanx> we have been attacked war has been declared against us
[18:54] <DB_Cooper> yanks are people too
[18:54] <pttrdr> here is a note:    If they are dancing in the streets and laughing and partying at this time  they are enemies of the US   if they are serious and supportive and on high states of alert they are friends of the USA
[18:55] * Yogibear is going into democratic party w/suz
[18:55] <Pogo> Bush landing at White House now
[18:55] <songw> “Hundreds of people are burned from head to toe,” said Dr. Steven Stern at St. Vincent’s Hospital in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of lower Manhattan. Rescue workers used commuter ferries to carry victims across the Hudson River to safety in Hoboken, New Jersey, where the scene resembled a war zone, with victims laid out on stretchers, limping on crutches, and others walking without a shirt and with their pants torn.
[18:55] <Photon> Bush has more than a military catastrophe on his hand… he has a financial one 2
[18:55] <bucko> don’t confuse what happens on tv with whats happening behind the scenes
[18:55] <pacman>  All those laughing now, will be crying tomorrow.
[18:55] <StephenB> DOW JONES)   DJN: DJ Gas Prices Skyrocket To $5 A Gallon In St. Louis Area
[18:55] <StephenB> DJN: DJ Gas Prices Skyrocket To $5 A Gallon In St. Louis Area
[18:55] <itchy> Japanese market opens in 5 minutes
[18:55] <StephenB> that’s nuts
[18:55] <pacman> The maniacs will pay.
[18:55] <deac> bush kept pushing the defense star’wars shield despite russian protest
[18:55] <songw> americans pull together in difficult situations
[18:55] <xstanx> those muslims laughing have made a huge mistake
[18:55] <pttrdr> that is where state governors should step in and slam the gougers
[18:55] <Stox> Daughter just called and said gas prices in Denver are $7.00 gal
[18:55] <Photon> Our station is still at 1.59/gal
[18:56] <bubbles> still normal price in nc also
[18:56] <Scorp^> 1.29 here still
[18:56] <Stox> $1.32 here in New Orleans at the moment
[18:56] <pacman> The US should strike with no regards to innocent people.
[18:56] <bubbles> at least in chartlotte
[18:56] <rac1> shame on those people
[18:56] <gtt> i thought japenese markets were not to open?
[18:56] <pttrdr> normal in virginia
[18:56] <xstanx> stox those store owners should be arrested
[18:56] <Suzanne> 1.39 here when i went and filled up
[18:56] <Photon> Make note of those stations folks
[18:56] <Yogibear> New Zealand’s Top 40 Index tumbled 110.61 points, or 5.63 percent, to 1,854.09 – the biggest percentage drop since October 1997.
[18:56] <Suzanne> gouging will be a bad thing going on
[18:56] <pttrdr> yup  good pt photon
[18:56] <StephenB> I filled up yest…bet by the time I need more the price will have come almost all the way back
[18:56] <Photon> Don’t give them your business
[18:56] <matsuokah> the city is extremely calm tonight… been that way all day
[18:56] <bizee> i took a drive around, no lines at gas stations here
[18:56] <bubbles> I think NC has some laws on that after Hurricane Hugo came through and ice went to $10 a bag
[18:56] <pttrdr> gougers will pay bigtime
[18:56] <incog> 1.89 here but it is always high here
[18:56] <JettiSon> anyone that applauds this action today is an Enemy of the USA…
[18:56] <Stox> I told her to keep the receipt and file a complaint with the oil co. and anyone else she could
[18:57] <Suzanne> oh he looks cocky
[18:57] <Suzanne> like his daddy
[18:57] <Photon> 1.89 isn’t bad
[18:57] <dumper> if gas goes to 5 a gallon feul cells will rocket
[18:57] <Photon> 5-7 is gouging
[18:57] <Yogibear> Bush looks pissed
[18:57] <Stox> looks like he is ready to kick some butt
[18:57] <Photon> anything over $3
[18:57] <xstanx> lol stox yup
[18:57] <rac1> crude not up that much, no reason for massive spike in gas
[18:57] <xstanx> i hope he does
[18:57] <Scorp^> will probably want to do something before his speech tonight at 9pm
[18:57] <JettiSon> Bush better be careful who’s butt he kicks Stox
[18:57] <Stox> hes got my vote
[18:57] <Gina> Bush did not look very surprised in his first reaction.
[18:58] <pttrdr> Israel declares “tomorrow a day of mourning”
[18:58] <Suzanne> you reckon he’s got a bullet proof vest on ?
[18:58] <Stox> whom ever he decided to kick
[18:58] <Scorp^> no
[18:58] *** Guest27641 is now known as whipsaw
[18:58] <Photon> oh yeah
[18:58] <Kitt> Suzanne  🙂
[18:58] <StephenB> wonder what part of US pet. demand airline fuel makes up?
[18:58] <StephenB> few percent I bet
[18:58] <rac1> a lot
[18:58] <JettiSon> stox, he kicks the wrong butt, there will be total chaos
[18:58] <whipsaw> does anybody know if the market will be open tomr.
[18:58] <Photon> no
[18:58] <Yogibear> markets cosed
[18:58] <rac1> closed
[18:58] <Gina> nope – closed
[18:58] <JettiSon> all mkts cloes
[18:58] <sunnyyyy> closed for the week
[18:58] <xstanx> doubt it whip
[18:58] <JettiSon> closed
[18:58] <Aardvark> military planes will probably make up for the lowered civilian aircraft fuel demand
[18:59] <Scorp^> okay, nobody talk for 30 min while I drive home and log back in  🙂
[18:59] <Stox> no reason to worry about that, got plenty of butt that is quilty to pick from.
[18:59] <TheGreek> 01/09/11 18:56   T    DJ Gas Prices Skyrocket To $5 A Gallon In St. Louis Area
[18:59] <xstanx> keep in mind the world trade buildings were destroyed this hurts usa real bad
[18:59] <Scorp^> bbl
[18:59] <codeblue> closed til Thurs. is official word, except for NYBOT, which is “no earlier than Monday”
[18:59] <StephenB> net crude demand prob. down a bit, but gasoline demand my outweigh JetA/B demand
[18:59] <Suzanne> are the pacific rim mkts opening?
[18:59] <Suzanne> !world
[18:59] <deac> japan to open:
[18:59] <deac> http://www.bloomberg.com/au/front_news2.html?s=AO56IUBX3QXNpYW4g
[19:00] <Suzanne> tnx
[19:00] <codeblue> brave souls
[19:00] <Stox> flights to resume at noon tomorrow
[19:00] <Suzanne> <Yogibear> New Zealand’s Top 40 Index tumbled 110.61 points, or 5.63 percent, to 1,854.09 – the biggest percentage drop since October 1997.
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[19:00] *** phosdyck is now known as Matt2
[19:00] <deac> england due to open normal hours was a headline earlier
[19:00] <codeblue> a friend called to say he x-d his flight for tomorrow … not taking any chances
[19:01] <deac> http://www.bloomberg.com/au
[19:01] <deac> bloomberg runs live tv in australia
[19:01] <Suzanne> well, not a very important note, but ive cancelled my vacation to Cairo that was scheduled in Oct
[19:01] <JayT> 90,000 visitors a day at those twin tower….
[19:01] <Kitt> Suspect you are one of many many folks cancelling travel plans.
[19:02] <gtt> i think coordinated us/russo/nato action likely
[19:02] <incog> Suz they don’t need your money
[19:02] <Suzanne> yes
[19:02] <StephenB> I’m staying PUT
[19:02] <Suzanne> no, they dont
[19:02] <Klovnen> is Japan open now ?
[19:02] <Pogo> gas 5 bucks in Indianapolis also
[19:02] <codeblue> any idea if there was damage in Greenwich village (got a friend there), and whether NYU is close to wtc?
[19:02] <Suzanne> and my mom is due to go to Halifax NS in a week, and she also has cancelled
[19:02] <Kitt> Husband issued a memo today to all employees:  If you can’t drive there, you’re not going there this week.
[19:02] <sp0> i need to go to NYC in 24 hours of time, anyone have any idea how i can do this?
[19:02] <songw> about 2.5 miles code
[19:03] <StephenB> drive
[19:03] <sp0> i live in california
[19:03] <Kitt> Airlines gonna be hard hit
[19:03] <shebesavvy> don’t go
[19:03] <StephenB> drive longer
[19:03] <diesl> carefully
[19:03] <Suzanne> this is the first air shut down EVER in the US
[19:03] <codeblue> thx, songw
[19:03] <dumper> might be alot more gas reserve with no airline fights for 24 hours
[19:03] <Pogo> cnn says marriott hotel might come down
[19:04] <StephenB> not trying to be funny, but it was unthinkable that after the first plane, struck they’d be a second or third, but there was…YOu gamble it’s over?
[19:04] <bubbles> japan doesn’t open for another hour
[19:04] <codeblue> what’s bringing the buildings down? Heat, or damage in the foundation?
[19:04] <Stox> local airport said flights to resume tomorrow @ noon
[19:04] <StephenB> too bad most cars cannot burn Jet A  (most diesels can)
[19:04] <diesl> heat from fire
[19:04] <Suzanne> i have to make dinner for my baffled children and try to explain some of this, ill see you guys in a bit
[19:05] <matsuokah> code, everyone we know in the village is ok… it’s far enough away
[19:05] <Stox> bbl
[19:05] <pacman> What will BUSH say tonight?
[19:05] <Pogo> “My fellow Americans..”
[19:05] <pacman> and?
[19:05] <songw> they’re taking alot of the wounded to st vincents
[19:05] * Yogibear 7:03pm 09/11/01 NORTHERN REBELS CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY FOR KABUL ATTACK
[19:05] <songw> in the village
[19:05] <Photon> He’ll act aggressive of course
[19:05] <matsuokah> yes
[19:05] <codeblue> good to know thanx matsuokah
[19:05] <pacman> talk big and do nothing?
[19:05] <Photon> What else can he do
[19:05] <matsuokah> evacuations are chinatown and below
[19:06] <bizee> grateful kids had not left for school yet this morning, didn’t have to hear about it at school and be worried all day
[19:06] *** Yogibear is now known as Yogi_afk
[19:06] <Kitt> <——asking honestly, not insinuating.  Do you think we might be funding the Northern Rebels ?
[19:06] <pttrdr> yes
[19:06] <pttrdr> we are
[19:06] <StephenB> how can any movie special effect ever compare against that video just on cbs of airliner 2 crashing viewed from the street below?
[19:06] <pttrdr> but not significantly
[19:06] <rac1> you dont have to worry about us doing nothing.. the worry is that this could escalate into a major conflict
[19:07] <Photon> amen
[19:07] <PMA> photon
[19:07] <xstanx> rac1 it already is
[19:07] <rac1> yeah it is
[19:07] <Kitt> Was very scary today, saw many old chat friends making very racial comments.
[19:07] <Tulsa52> Anybody hear from Robin???
[19:07] <StephenB> yes, she was here…ok she is
[19:07] <pacman> the muskitoes bit the sleeping Giant. Wait till this giant roars and stumps his foot.
[19:07] <Tulsa52> tks
[19:07] <StephenB> np 🙂
[19:07] <kane>  7:06pm TOKYO STOCK MARKET TO OPEN AS USUAL AT 9 AM LOCAL TIME
[19:07] <Aardvark> giant stomped his foot in vietnam pacman – look what happened
[19:08] <Cha-ching> this is a racist war you can’t help that
[19:08] <PMA> photon how far is dayton to washingotn dc
[19:08] <pacman> wait and see, this Giant will stump his feet quite a bit.
[19:08] <pacman> all mice and rats, will run for cover.
[19:08] <codeblue> our military forces are less than half of quality/quantity of what the were in the Gulf War, imo
[19:08] <xstanx> they cant hide
[19:09] <rac1> if a final global conflict is to come, at what point would we see it for what it is?  (i am not trying to sound apocalyptic)
[19:09] <pacman> The US has much more advance warfare weapons than they had at Golf war.
[19:09] <nickgc> THE SCALE of the attacks and the loss of life – mostly in New York City’s World Trade Center, but also in Pittsburgh and Washington – ensured that “no option has been taken off the table,” senior U.S. officials said. Asked if that included nuclear weapons, one senior official said: “I said no option is out of the question. That’s precisely what I mean.”
[19:09] <xstanx> code dont be fooled we can convert to war time mode very fast
[19:09] <pacman> The terrists will regret this day. the clock is now ticking.
[19:09] <sunnyyyy> wonder whee when names will ber eleased???
[19:09] <rac1> like once the train left the station, could it be recalled?
[19:10] <codeblue> I think we’re seeing now that the missing element in our defense/intellgence system is the human element
[19:10] <JayT> have you heard from tHEfED, anyone, I know he lives close to this Apocalypse.
[19:10] <incog> I imagine New York doesn’t build to earthquake standards.  The older buildings need to be strengthened like they have done here.  Too many older buildings are collapsing.
[19:10] <codeblue> !seen theFed
[19:10] <Suzanne> [1]tHEfED is currently online.
[19:10] <rac1> he is here, in felt his boot earlier so i assume he is good
[19:10] <Hatch> Uh isn’t that him?
[19:10] <JayT> good
[19:11] <Matt2> incog… TWC was supposed to be able to withstand a 727 collisions
[19:11] <Mel1> I talked to thefed after the blds collapsed
[19:11] <Aardvark> yes matt2
[19:11] <rac1> is he alright then?
[19:11] <Young_Grasshopper> to bad it was a what…757 or 767…much bigger.
[19:11] <rac1> i think he was stressed
[19:11] <incog> wondering seeing a lot of older buildings in area which look un-reinforced.
[19:11] <seawind> I sincerely hope that this wasnt attack #1 of 2 with the 2nd not scheduled until the hour after our retaliation begins
[19:12] * Yogi_afk 7:09pm 09/11/01 TOKYO STOCK EXCHG: MAXIMUM UP-DN TRADING LIMIT HALVED
[19:12] <Matt2> seawind… this is the first salvo…
[19:12] <Matt2> they opened the door
[19:12] <Matt2> We’ve been extremely lucky until now
[19:12] <Beeks> so nikkei will open limit down and stop trading after 5 minutes…
[19:13] <Gina> @Matt —- yes you re right. Sorry, to say that
[19:13] <sail> wtc attack was a diversion while they attacked dc
[19:13] <Matt2> Open borders means easy access…
[19:14] <Matt2> I don’t think so…
[19:14] <Gina> American recently got a little lazy to protect their borders …
[19:14] <StephenB> I don’t either NYC plenty bad
[19:14] <xstanx> what terrorists dont realize what has protected them in the past is public opinion wanting the usa to stay out of there fights now usa public opinion has changed
[19:14] <rac1> bush would be justified in looking at some of his domestic adversaries and saying “see, i told you..”
[19:14] <sail> yeah, but dc coulda been a lot worse
[19:14] <Matt2> Where were the ATC’s… why did they not raise a red flag when 4 jets made sudden U turns…
[19:15] <StephenB> yeah, maybe that PA plane was DC bound
[19:15] <Matt2> Agree
[19:15] <rac1> i dont think a red flag would have stopped a jetliner from flying into a skyscraper
[19:15] <sail> the WH, or capital building or if the plane had hit the center of pentagon would have been worse
[19:15] <JayT> We have the Navel College here in Newport, and it was lined with Coast Guard today, no boaters allowed near it at all.
[19:15] <xstanx> white house/ashcroft
[19:15] <xstanx> talking
[19:15] <Matt2> They turned far away from NYC…
[19:15] <codeblue> matt, I’d guess they prob. knew there were hijackings, but didn’t have a clue how serious they were.
[19:15] <StephenB> I wondered too Matt, but up until today, what would you have done, even with a fighter off the wing?
[19:15] <Matt2> JayT… I grew up in Jamestown
[19:16] <codeblue> I do wonder why the AF wasn’t scrambled after the first plane hit tho.
[19:16] <JayT> wow
[19:16] <Matt2> With no communication, they would have shot it down,
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[19:16] <JayT> you bet
[19:16] <Matt2> Just as they were going to with Payne Stewarts plane
[19:16] <StephenB> U think?
[19:16] <locust> where’s the nearest AFB to NYC ?
[19:16] <rac1> these guys were too quick
[19:16] <StephenB> upstate NY?
[19:17] <Matt2> We were too slow or absolutely caught unawares and unprepared
[19:17] <Gina> http://www.d-traderz.com/
[19:17] <Matt2> That type of maneuver will not go unnoticed again…
[19:17] <songw> maguire afb in delaware i think
[19:17] <Matt2> Or westover in MA
[19:17] <rac1> kinda like star wars, we shoot down incoming missiles just in the nick of time.. maybe
[19:17] <codeblue> I have trouble believing after the first wtc bombing, that there was no contingency plan for this.
[19:18] <sail> it’s dover air force base
[19:18] <StephenB> Otis and Hanscom in MA, but neither is really loaded with attack planes I don’t think
[19:18] <Bubba> maquire in NJ
[19:18] <Matt2> Right.  They are reserve facilities
[19:18] <sail> fort dix in nj too
[19:18] <dieseldave> too fast code
[19:18] <Matt2> Bubba is right….
[19:18] <bizee> isn’t there afb near canado border in NY?
[19:18] <songw> we were lax—we have enemies that will stop at nothing–we believed in the myth of our own invulnerability
[19:18] <songw> no more
[19:18] <Matt2> Agree songw.
[19:18] <flier> Probally boild down to one-two people makin a decision- and we know gov. drags their feet, and pass the buck.
[19:18] <nickgc> Plattsburgh
[19:18] <lauf> what was that website they just said on TV?
[19:19] <rac1> today america got violated songw, in the worst way
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[19:19] <Matt2> Yes… that is an old SAC base isn’t it
[19:19] <sail> picatinny arsenal is in northern NJ
[19:19] <nickgc> I think its closed
[19:19] <codeblue> it was SAC, yes
[19:19] <mrube> www.ifccfbi.gov
[19:19] <bizee> yah plattsburgh
[19:19] <nickgc> not much going on at Picatinny
[19:19] <nickgc> not even any guards at the gatees any more at least until today maybe
[19:20] <Bubba> when i here the planes from mcqire i’ll know we are going to war
[19:20] <gtt> naval and air bases in brunswick, pabaxcent river, groten conneticut
[19:20] <Bubba> i will advise
[19:20] <JayT> I live near a flight zone for aircraft from RI and Boston. When the FCC pulled the plug on all flights it was like putting plugs in my ears. Suddenly no planes, very erie.
[19:21] <codeblue> interesting you should say that … recently a couple of bases (Army & AF) have been “hardening” their security … could be a coincidence or part of downsizing ….
[19:21] <sail> DJ 19:20 *DJ Israeli Tanks Move Into West Bank Town Of Jenin
[19:21] <lauf> i live in NJ and heard lots of fighters going somewhere
[19:21] <gtt> groten might be the most significant
[19:21] <Matt2> Yes JayT… I was in Prov at the time… the clear skies were eerie
[19:21] <diesl> we got violated ut we will back stronger and starter hopefully
[19:21] <rac1> god, pray we dont nuke someone
[19:22] <diesl> smarter
[19:22] <Matt2> We won’t nuke…
[19:22] <lauf> does anyone want to talk about the market’s reaction?
[19:22] <Bubba> mcquire has the refulling planes. C-30’s.
[19:22] <Tulsa52> gas stations in my area are hiking prices to 3.00 a gallon
[19:22] <codeblue> a friend tried to give blood today … 4 hour lines … said come back tomorrow
[19:22] <lauf> i shorted a bunch of SYP’s…
[19:22] <lauf> at 108
[19:23] <Hatch> I tried they shut down the red cross donation centers in Columbus Ohio at Noon, called news and they informed me that the local chpter said they didn’t need blood, really upset me
[19:23] <codeblue> well, it looks like you’ll make a profit
[19:23] <tck> i just got back from giving blood and I am extremely proud of my fellow Central Floridians the turnout was great and i am proud to be an American
[19:23] <Pogo> good on ya, tck
[19:23] <lauf> if we get the greatest Gap Down of all time, what do we buy?
[19:24] <mk> anyone get caught holding the QQQs?
[19:24] <PMA> hatch did you try the community center
[19:24] <MrM> qqq
[19:24] <lauf> what companies will profit from this horrible act?
[19:24] <Matt2> Don’t buy lock
[19:24] <Hatch> INVN lauf
[19:24] <codeblue> lauf, it is a little early to say
[19:24] <cool> airlines going to be hurt
[19:24] <bizee> defense contractors?
[19:24] <deac> best case is world can bounce thursday before we open creating a v bottom if something gets resolved
[19:24] <Tulsa52> lauf, cant believe u are talking buying/selling stocks at this time
[19:24] <StephenB> defense co. maybe, but maybe the answer isn’t more hardware
[19:24] <PMA> no in dayton they said keep coming the next couple of days they will need some every day not just today
[19:24] <StephenB> opening is a while away
[19:24] <codeblue> but LMT, BA, and the rest are obvious picks – airlines and insurance cos. will get hurt, and financials … anyone’s guess
[19:24] <lauf> Its terrible i know…
[19:24] <sp0> how many of you are shorting Airline stocks?
[19:25] <Hatch> PMA, news is saying you had a sonic boom scare today
[19:25] <PMA> kinda did
[19:25] <Matt2> Defence stocks ….
[19:25] <xstanx> i wont short anything for a week i wont add to a market collapse
[19:25] <PMA> didnt know what it was
[19:25] <StephenB> lot can happen between now and opening be it Thurs, Fri, or whenever
[19:25] <PMA> shook the walls
[19:25] <pttrdr> If I am president   I would tactically nuke (flattens about 3-10 square miles) every terrorist known area.
[19:25] <sp0> what defence stocks do you guys have?
[19:25] <pttrdr> right now
[19:26] <PMA> guys the planes took off from wpafb and made it to dc in 1 hour and 15 min
[19:26] <pttrdr> i bet jesse the body ventura would too
[19:26] <codeblue> there’s a real possibility that this will tip the whole market over, and it won’t bounce right off the bat.  Consumer confidence might take a big hit.
[19:26] <lauf> qqq’s open at like 26 i bet… i’d buy a little there
[19:26] <Matt2> raytheon, boeing, martin marietta… to start with
[19:26] <DB_Cooper> NOC
[19:26] <sail> i don’t think many people gonna get executions at open, remember the greenie rate cut?? trading systems froze, this opening gonna be worse
[19:26] <Matt2> I won’t buy without a clear signal…
[19:26] <lauf> Bush’s speech and retaliation will have a lot to do with confidence
[19:26] <codeblue> this was just mins. before the market opened right?
[19:26] <sail> 9am
[19:26] <StephenB> lots of companies are gone…liquidity, settlements gonna be a nightmare…countless away at funerals too
[19:26] <lauf> i got some pre mkt trades off
[19:27] <Matt2> How about the steel industry… basic infrastructure in a war economy
[19:27] <codeblue> the Prez can’t say much … it is going to take time
[19:27] <lauf> oh MWD will gap down big time
[19:27] <JayT> I hope we dont soften, I hope this shock doesnt subside. We need to level whom ever was responsible, and I mean LEVEL.
[19:27] <rac1> from about 9 to 10:30 was the weirdest tv i’ve ever watched
[19:27] <incog> I have some very large long positions, will not sell in a panic, will ride it out
[19:27] <sp0> yeah whatever,  ual seems like a better short than amr since amr is a bigger corp that spreads over different industries
[19:27] <PMA> matt japan still can export cheaper than we can make it
[19:27] <bizee> like watching a movie wasn’t it rac?
[19:27] <diesl> icog smart
[19:27] <rac1> freaky
[19:27] <codeblue> just imagine how big a segment of the trading/financial community is in/around the wtc.
[19:27] <Matt2> That is true, right now…
[19:27] <Gina> Concerning Morals: Whoever can save his existence and the existence of his familiy (also in the stockmarket)  – presumed that he or she is not involved in this devastation – should not be condemned …. Just my opinion
[19:27] <PMA> want to short, short the insurance stocks
[19:27] <Matt2> We must see this play out…
[19:28] <ZOOS150> I dont think well get Bin Laden,unless he is turned in
[19:28] <bubbles> I got “lucky” and am full of SPX and MSFT puts – first time I won’t enjoy making a profit
[19:28] <lauf> GOLD is a gold company
[19:28] <pttrdr> Guess what…Nostradamus didnt write any quatrains about Cruise missiles..especially nuclear tipped one.
[19:28] <ZOOS150> but we should be able to take out all terrorist bases
[19:28] <bizee> that the senate on cnn?
[19:28] <sail> wow congress singing patriotic songs
[19:28] <pttrdr> Congress is singing on cnn
[19:28] <Hatch> Still sitting on my Y2K gold reserves, lol
[19:28] <lauf> bubbles well said
[19:28] <bizee> giving me the chills  wow
[19:29] <codeblue> like I said – eventually shorts have to cover – the market will do what it has to do
[19:29] <ZOOS150> Iraq laughing at us
[19:29] <songw> good for them
[19:29] <pttrdr> ok  first the song  now the fireworks
[19:29] <pttrdr> lets light em up
[19:29] <Tulsa52> They maynot be laughing long Zoo
[19:29] <sail> maybe patriotic will no longer be a bad word
[19:29] <Hatch> got 200 ozs in the safe
[19:29] <pttrdr> good point sail
[19:29] <codeblue> the real risk is that the attacks aren’t over …. we’ll need to stay vigilent
[19:29] <Matt2> sail… that might be nice for a change
[19:29] <ZOOS150> true
[19:29] <songw> i’m not real big on wearing your patriotism on your sleeve but this is one case where standing up and saying you love your country is worth something
[19:29] <sail> yeah it would
[19:29] <dumper> Acts of war not covered by insurance no ?
[19:29] <boardsport> peter jennings is choked u
[19:29] <Threshr> i only imagine Japan before surrendering  ww2
[19:29] <boardsport> up
[19:29] <Matt2> For a very long time…
[19:29] <pttrdr> all of a sudden snail darters and jellyfish habitat takes a back seat
[19:30] <itchy> Patriotism was NEVER a bad word
[19:30] <TraderAl> watch out for war & terrorism exclusions on insurance policies
[19:30] <rac1> the greatest fear is that these attacks will NEVER end..
[19:30] <ZOOS150> who knows what is next
[19:30] <Light> despair and disbelief will soon become outrage and retaliation
[19:30] <lauf> are insurance companies a good buy now?
[19:30] <rac1> why should they
[19:30] <rac1> ?
[19:30] <Matt2> Agree rac1… if we don’t impact the terrorists very negatively, it will continue
[19:30] <tHEfED> Akamai Technologies confirms that its co-founder was on board one of the hijacked flights that crashed into New York’s World Trade Center.
[19:30] <tHEfED> September 11, 2001, 12:30 p.m. PT
[19:30] <sail> DJ 19:31 DJ One Oracle Staff Was On Hijacked Plane,6 At WTC Missing [ORCL]
[19:31] <tck> Patriot front and center here
[19:31] <codeblue> light, I’m already outraged, who couldn’t be?
[19:31] <itchy> How much longer till Japanese oopen?
[19:31] <xstanx> alot of good people died today : (
[19:31] <bubbles> can anyone confirm an unusual runup of fuel cell stocks yesterday?
[19:31] <bubbles> japan 30 min
[19:31] <lauf> its true bubbles
[19:31] <itchy> thx
[19:31] <Suzanne> that was the most touching patriotic scene ive ever witness by my govt
[19:32] <JayT> Bush’s daddy must be saying to him right now…you want to be a Hero…full metal jacket, and pull the freakin trigger as soon a you have a target.
[19:32] <rac1> am i the only one who thinks the internet is an important element of any apocalyptic scenarios? sorry if too ot
[19:32] <bizee> thot so too Suzanne
[19:32] <sp0> <– has short order for UAL
[19:32] <Light> code, angry? of course, but I feel still primarily numb and in shock
[19:33] <Light> …..then comes the time for pay back
[19:33] <rac1> good luck getting an ut
[19:33] <Matt2> Suzanne… these are the same people who have worked to make the constitution meaningless…. It was touching… but…
[19:33] <lauf> when this was all going on this am, all the phones were down in the NY area, AOL instant messanger was my only means of communication.  and it worked very very well
[19:33] <codeblue> the SEC can probably suspend short sales if they want to …
[19:34] <Gina> are you sure, codeblue???
[19:34] <pacman>  Bush needs to kick as.
[19:35] <pttrdr> rat bastid muslim extremists are going to pay big time      <  dubya  just say that  and say goodnite
[19:35] <pacman> IF Bush does not take immediate decisive action, he will go down as a wimp president.
[19:35] <Gina> Bush needs to keep coolminded and best adviced…
[19:35] <ZOOS150> how long before we retaliate?
[19:35] <codeblue> not sure, but as I understand short sales, it is the broker’s option to allow them … if SEC recommends it they’d follow, imo.
[19:36] <ZOOS150> any opinions?
[19:36] <Gina> Actuálly I have to say, that I like this thought ….
[19:36] <xstanx> my rules wont allow me to short now
[19:36] <songw> nyc rises to the challenge–i bet thousands are volunteering to help anyway they can
[19:36] <xstanx> not for at least a week
[19:36] <sail> bush needs to do his 8:30 address wearing a cowboy hat and a six shooter slrapped to his side
[19:36] <codeblue> pacman – he can’t attack an enemy if he doesn’t know who it is, or where they are
[19:36] <Suzanne> sec can do what they want to the mkt, nothing would suprise me
[19:36] <bubbles> I printed off the ESU1 chart I was staring at when at 8:47am I was confused by the large drop and turned to the TV next to my monitor and saw the first building on fire.  Won’t ever forget it.
[19:36] <ZOOS150> if we wait a week,going to be very hard
[19:37] <Gina> Yes, we have the big invisible enemy here …. How scary.
[19:37] <xstanx> i wont help collapse the market
[19:37] <ZOOS150> we cant wait a week
[19:37] <Suzanne> nyc a hurculean (sp?) effort im sure songw
[19:37] <pacman> he knows who the enemy is, it is obvious. The enemy did not do this because they were testing their forces. But they wanted something done, meaning Palestinian movement.
[19:37] <incog> LAX empty now thats a weird sight
[19:37] <Hatch> yes big drop bubbles then rebound, then huge drop on second plane
[19:37] <xstanx> plenty of time to make money i wont make money shorting this mess
[19:37] <bubbles> yep
[19:37] <pttrdr> cruise missiles are the most accurate long range weapon ever devised    they can be tipped with small nuclear heads     ideal for every known terrorist enclave in existence….if i was president     at 8:30 I would say Good evening America  at 8:31  i would say we have just hit 25 known terrorists enclaves and utterly destroyed them    that is warm up   tomorrow we really go to work
[19:37] <Suzanne> i wont either
[19:37] <Matt2> Good for you xstanx
[19:38] <codeblue> think of the market impact if this had happened a half hour after the market opened
[19:38] <pacman> The palestinians are denying, because they fear the retaliation. We know it was the palestinians. The same people who give their condolenses, gave the order to attck the US.
[19:38] <songw> i used to drive down by city hall-if you spot in front of jr music you can look up and see trinity church steeple silhouetted between the towers
[19:38] <rac1> at first it seemed like maybe just some fire.. they haines says “the second tower is now burning..”
[19:38] <xstanx> shorting now = blood money imo
[19:38] <Matt2> Yes
[19:38] <rac1> shorts may not be that rewarding here anyway imo
[19:38] <sail> i don’t think u’ll be able to get a short off
[19:39] <Suzanne> i think we may be a bit suprised at the effort of investors and traders to support their already weak economy and mkt
[19:39] <sunnyyyy> too confusing to short
[19:39] <bubbles> i agree
[19:39] <songw> there are a series of high rise apts built on a land fill just west of the wtc called battery park city
[19:39] <xstanx> im hoping enough people feel the same way alot died today we dont need to kill the usa markets
[19:39] <sunnyyyy> plenty of profits after the dust settles
[19:39] <pttrdr> USA should have told all reporters to stay away from todays Taliban press conf. due to a surprise guest
[19:39] <incog> we need to stick together and not take advantage of this situation
[19:39] <Suzanne> shorts are patriots too guys 🙁 we are not bad guys
[19:40] <incog> I short too Suz!
[19:40] <songw> any one live there–or know anyone—those planes would have looked like they were flying in their living rooms
[19:40] <xstanx> suzanne you know i short
[19:40] <winwinajs> look at daily chart of dow in 1941 – yes a plunge when market opened, but then a covering rally up to point where it broke down, then steady drift down to end of bear market it was already in before Pearl, followed by 4 year bull market
[19:40] <karp> <———-will not partake in maiking money on this tragedy
[19:40] <matsuokah> they had some on the news here today song
[19:40] <JayT> what about that drug lord from South American they just extradited to the US, who said he would retaliate for it, but then again they had a recording of an Arabic voice in one of the planes didnt they.
[19:40] <xstanx> i love to short
[19:40] <incog> but I will not dump at the next open
[19:40] <sail> DJ 19:40 WSJ(9\12) Child-Care Centers Were Evacuated Quickly, Safely
[19:40] <lauf> new shorts will get killed anyway, this market is gonna gap down huge
[19:41] <Suzanne> same incog, i have one short.. a reit, i will coverbuy asap
[19:41] <lauf> shorts will hit the bottom
[19:41] <matsuokah> those folks so lucky the towers fell more or less straight down instead of toppling
[19:41] <mk> the reason why market will fall huge is that this event tips the scales between possible recession and definate recession
[19:41] <pttrdr> geez
[19:41] <codeblue> shorts help keep the market legit. – and they always (almost always) have to buy back later … machs nix
[19:41] <dabb> 7:37pm 09/11/01   NIKKEI LOOKS SET TO FALL BELOW 10,000 ON FUTURES DROP
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[19:41] <pttrdr> 200 NYC firefighters  might be dead
[19:41] <pttrdr> my god
[19:41] <Mel1> my thoughts exactly matsoukah
[19:42] <lauf> where are the futures?
[19:42] <NadaClue>
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[19:42] <Suzanne> lets just all pray that they dont try to hit any us targets overnight
[19:42] <winwinajs> will be a lot of volitility, but shorts will cover very very soon – heavily internationally exposed businesses (especially insurance) will tank, but many manufacturing companies will ramp up with munitions/weapons production
[19:42] <codeblue> are futures actually trading?
[19:42] <NadaClue>
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[19:42] <incog> I think all flights are cancelled for tonight
[19:42] <Wizski> and let’s pray for those still trapped.
[19:42] <pttrdr> there are no death tolls yet
[19:42] <ig> Ex-Secretary of State Albright speaking well on CNBC
[19:42] <JayT> Kansas, gas now $5 a gallon, give me a break
[19:43] <lauf> anyone have a quote on the gold index?
[19:43] <JayT> per NBC
[19:43] <xstanx> i hope the large funds cover the shorts they have in a way to support our markets
[19:43] <pttrdr> JayT  call your local paper to take names of the rat bastid gougers
[19:43] <Wizski> Tulsa hit over $7, Attorney General sez he’ll prosecute ’em.
[19:43] <pttrdr> so they can be tarred and feathered later
[19:43] <sail>  SENATOR HATCH: ‘WE HAVE INTELLIGENCE THAT TWO ‘CONNECTED’ TO BIN LADEN SAID OVER PRIVATE AIRWAVES: ‘WE HIT TWO TARGETS”…
[19:43] <codeblue> don’t bet on that xstanx
[19:44] <Tulsa52> Just called the local gas station. They had raised gas to $3.00 a gallon. Told em I’d never trade there again…
[19:44] <Mel1>   NewsFinder
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[19:44] <Mel1>  7:43pm 09/11/01   NYC POLICE OFFICIAL SAYS 78 OFFICERS MISSING – AP
[19:44] <AV_OUT> good for you Tulsa
[19:44] <winwinajs> beav supplies airplaines, doesn’t it?  It should go up as enhancements to cabin security are implemented, etc.
[19:44] <Suzanne> agreed Wizski, and i think i mentioned it earlier guys.. they are doing it here in Central Texas, so i know they are doing it elsewhere, we may have had a really sh*tty summer as traders, but we are all safe tonight with our familys in our homes, take some time tomorrow or this evening to share some of the money you may have made and help support the relief efforts going on
[19:44] <JayT> good for you
[19:44] <sail> DJ 19:44 DJ US\Blasts\Afghan Capital -3: Taliban Ammunition Depot Hit
[19:44] <pttrdr> heres a good idea    “Rat Bastid Gougers List” for your local paper
[19:44] <gtt> everybody is wondering what event could trigger a bottom, this looks like a candidate
[19:44] <Mel1>  7:42pm 09/11/01   TOKYO STOCK DEALS DELAYED 30 MINS; TSE TO OPEN AT 9:30
[19:45] <pre-cha> This evening’s electronic trading sessions at all U.S. futures exchanges
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[19:45] <winwinajs> does anyone know a good room for futures traders?  especially foreign futures?
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[19:45] <pttrdr> the Top Ten Rat Bastid Gougers and Businesses to Avoid in the Future List
[19:45] <codeblue> don’t expect a clean, V-bottom – investor confidence might be shaken
[19:45] <codeblue> 78 NY police missing
[19:45] <pttrdr> geez
[19:46] <JayT> pttrdr, your too much
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[19:46] <itchy> If gas maintains $5/gal a motorcycle could pay for itself
[19:46] <dumper> not Mine !]
[19:46] <ta> http://finance.yahoo.com/m2
[19:46] <pttrdr> In France they shaved the heads of female collaborators   I say gougers get the ol shave too
[19:46] <JayT> What happened to the Markets the last time we went to war?
[19:46] <Suzanne> pttrdr.
[19:47] <CapnJon>   Those driven by fear will pile out at the next open and we will see either a V bottom or a massive effort to support with a small gap down and reversal. My concerns will focus further out until it is clear how our government responds to the terrorist acts and how continued data indicates where we are as an economy. Omo.
[19:47] <pacman> people have died and you guys are worried about the market. Give me a break!
[19:47] <JayT> how did you know i was going to ask that question
[19:48] <Suzanne> i think the other ppl we need to admire out there is the ones that Peter Jennings is talking about right now, the pilots who had to blindly follow directions today and land at any sutiable air field
[19:48] <sail> imo, some big co’s gonna announce stock buybacks to support the market– like IBM did during asian crisis
[19:48] <JayT> what about the pilots that gave up their controls to the terrorist
[19:48] <Young_Grasshopper>  I think that if you look at the ’91 Iraq conflict the market turned when we invaded Kuwait…we went down more…and turned the day of the invasion…that ws the bottom I thin to the day…
[19:48] <Young_Grasshopper> but I could be wrong
[19:49] <songw> i wonder if the passengers realized what was going to happen–and why they didn’t just go after these guys
[19:49] <Suzanne> we will never know exactly will we song?
[19:49] <mk> no they assumed they’d land on some tarmac and be negotiated for
[19:49] <pttrdr> song my guess is that  they were reassured to follow directions and “everything will be alright”
[19:49] <incog> we can’t play “what if”, the situation was too difficult
[19:49] <boardsport> they locked the cockpits i am sure
[19:49] <bizee> who’d have thunk they’d fly into a building?
[19:49] <codeblue> from the fragmented reports of people who called with cell/plane phones they didn’t know how serious things were
[19:50] <Suzanne> Kuwait was a playground to what i think is coming for the US Young_Grasshopper
[19:50] <mk> if ever this happens, eyeball the guys across from you and go for the knife together
[19:50] <pttrdr> passenger planes have always been considered targets  not weapons    that is what got us
[19:50] <bucko> its silly to even think  these passengers could have done anything
[19:50] <bubbles> exactly pttrdr
[19:50] <mk> 75 vs. 1 guy with a knife? not silly
[19:50] <tami> somebody posted earlier there was a violent struggle with the hijakers prior to entering the cockpit
[19:50] <Young_Grasshopper> Ms. Olson in her locked bathroom said at low altitude was that a terrorist(s) had knive(s)
[19:50] <ta> http://finance.yahoo.com/m2
[19:50] <bucko> mk, do you know 1 guy?
[19:51] <codeblue> they prob. had a knife on a hostage
[19:51] <Mel1> I don’t know bout u guys but I ALWAYS carry my knife whether on a plane or not
[19:51] <bubbles> for all we know they had explosive strapped on themselves
[19:51] <bucko> and do you know people didn’t die trying to stop them?
[19:51] <mk> I think they were fooled into thinking they’d land
[19:51] <JayT> two stuartess were stabbed and brought into the cock-pit
[19:52] <Young_Grasshopper> Pilots perhaps tried to negotiate with them
[19:52] <songw> thats true -they may have tried
[19:52] <Young_Grasshopper> it seems like they did not make reasonable security precautions and that is sad…….
[19:52] <Suzanne> theres no way to know anything until the black boxes are found ( if ever)
[19:52] <JayT> 767’s and 757’s are very popular around the world, they knew how to fly them
[19:52] <Mel1> and I ALWAYS spot the Arabic-looking passengers before take-off
[19:53] <Young_Grasshopper> Mel, you are the type of guy I want on a plane with me….
[19:53] <boardsport> black box will be found in pa tonight or in the am
[19:53] <Suzanne> i hope so boardsport
[19:53] <pttrdr> many still trapped in rubble
[19:54] <JayT> my god, of course
[19:54] <Suzanne> days it took in Oklahoma, the magnitude of this is much greater, theres no guessing how long it will take, none
[19:54] <itchy> I think a recession is a given now…anyone honestly considering a world wide economic depression as a possibility?
[19:54] <Mel1> it will be weeks before all the victims are pulled outa the rubble
[19:54] <mk> flight I took in asia recently they took the arabs separate and interviewed forever it seemed, checking and rechecking passport etc
[19:55] <bucko> when in history havewhy is a recession a given?
[19:55] <boardsport> i will bet that people are walking the tracks in the subway to get to other stations
[19:55] <Young_Grasshopper> not sure Itchy…I would think a prolonged recession but not depression…but hey, I don’t know.
[19:55] <StephenB> I feel for those kids in FL this morning….all psyched up to have the President there and he has to make the grim announcement…teachers cannot smooth it over…there they all are gathered for assembly and pow…a national mass murder..what do you say to them?
[19:55] <itchy> Watch consumer confidence tank…it was the last thing holding up our economy
[19:55] <mk> flying commercial aircraft should be a privilage, not a right, and I think the Arabs should be denied that privilage, at least here in US
[19:55] <JayT> and poor Boston, they must feel that they are the blame for all of this….
[19:55] <StephenB> don’t know what I’d do as a teacher
[19:55] <boardsport> the kids in fla are lucky that theses guys didn’t target them
[19:56] <StephenB> very lucky boardsport
[19:56] <Kitt> might just heighten consumer confidence, we may find a new comraderie as may our politicians.
[19:56] <Suzanne> they are bringing in the USS Comfort, a hospital ship 🙁
[19:56] <itchy> Anyone shipping cases of SouthernComfort?  🙂
[19:56] <JayT> can you emagine what the check-in people at the gates in Boston must be feeling right now
[19:56] <Young_Grasshopper> America is strong….this planet is strong and united…we can and will make an extra effort and rise above like in WWII
[19:57] <Tulsa52> Just found out….
[19:57] <JayT> tell us
[19:57] <incog> hi Tulsa
[19:57] <Kitt> just watched democrats and republicans banded together singing “God Bless America”
[19:57] <boardsport> where have you been
[19:57] <mk> this event is really a warning…for the time when the fanatics have nuclears weapons
[19:57] <Tulsa52> Pastor of out church has relatives that worked at world trade center
[19:57] <Tulsa52> our church
[19:57] <StephenB> all the security machine record tapes will be reviewed…maybe they overlooked it..maybe they entered on the Tarmac some other way..so many questions
[19:57] <pttrdr> Muslim terrorist expert on CBS   making a very key point:  “They have grown more and more brazen each time.”     nice doesnt work       peace through strength is the only truth
[19:57] <Tulsa52> they havent been heard from
[19:57] <bubbles> anyone watching abc?  jennings saying that entire fire companies are missing
[19:58] <Suzanne> yes i am bubbles
[19:58] <Kitt> They said up to half the fire fighters are unaccounted for.
[19:58] <bubbles> omg
[19:58] <pttrdr> geez
[19:58] <Suzanne> total companys
[19:58] <songw> firefighters in nyc are the salt of the earth
[19:58] <JayT> Smith Barney was also in the towers……hmmmm
[19:58] <pttrdr> firefighters everywhere
[19:58] <Young_Grasshopper> Yeah, my brother’s friend’s father I think is the head on NJ Fire dept…he is missing.
[19:59] <bubbles> very senior fire officials are missing
[19:59] *** Yogi_afk is now known as Yogibear101
[19:59] <Mel1> I was a firefighter once…just remember this day when u hear some jerk knocking firefighters
[20:00] <mk> never heard anyone knock a firefighter
[20:00] <pttrdr> one moment mark haines is smugly using the term   “smoke event” next moment we are plunged into tragedy
[20:00] <mk> they are always presented as heros
[20:00] <StephenB> police maybe, but never a fire guy
[20:00] <JayT> NBC is the only station that keeps on saying…”and its not over”, I wish Tom would stop saying that
[20:00] <pttrdr> no firefighter jokes in existence
[20:00] <mk> police put life on line every day and night, but they really get the knocking yes
[20:00] <Tulsa52> What really gets me, is the Palastinians glee over this….
[20:01] <Mel1> that was 28 years ago
[20:01] <Young_Grasshopper> not anymore on police…not in NYC in a long time….
[20:01] <bubbles> im sure there were many police caught in the building collapse also
[20:01] <StephenB> well, now is not the time to discuss, but I have known and/or witnessed some cops being pretty bad at times…save it for another day though
[20:01] <Young_Grasshopper> (at least)
[20:01] <songw> yes i have trouble with that also-i can’t fathom them celebrating
[20:01] <bubbles> I haven’t heard anything about any looting or any curfews or such, anyone else?
[20:02] <boardsport> hindsight is easy but I could believe that cnbc said that a commercial airliner accidently hit the world trade center.  seemed like terrorisim to me
[20:02] <mk> cops probably are pretty bad at times, cause I can imagine what they go through drives them literally mad, still they are heros
[20:02] <StephenB> saw lots of cops running right into the cloud of falling debris today fwiw
[20:02] <gtt> no surprise on arabic glee on this, many of them have been and will continue to be our enemies
[20:02] <Suzanne> you all saw the cairo post that bucko posted?
[20:02] <songw> we don’t dance when a palestinian is killed
[20:02] <Suzanne> im sorry, locust posted
[20:02] <Suzanne> <locust>           “Bullseye,” say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks
[20:02] <Suzanne> <Suzanne> <locust>           CAIRO, Sept 11 (AFP) –
[20:02] <bizee> heard curfew on lower manhatten til Thursday
[20:02] <deac> bank of england auctions 20 tons of gold tomorrow will enjoy the windfall i presume
[20:02] <pttrdr> 99% of fundamental arabs  consider the USA the devil incarnate and have so for several generations
[20:02] <yahoo> http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/headlines/010912/world/afp/_Bullseye___say_Egyptians_as_they_celebrate_anti-US_attacks.html
[20:02] <Young_Grasshopper> no, the stores were actually handing out water gatorade…that is, the stores that were in rubble…that is what my brother said when he was there
[20:03] <JayT> return to normalcy…..right
[20:03] <TMaid> NABLUS, West Bank (AP) – Thousands of Palestinians celebrated toiday’s terror attacks in the United States, chanting “God is Great” and distributing candy to passers-by, even as their leader, Yasser Arafat, said he was horrified.
[20:03] <incog> Hillary Clinton CNN
[20:03] <songw> it reminds me of those bastids dragging that dead marine thru their sts a few years back
[20:03] <Suzanne> thats horrible
[20:03] <pttrdr> <pttrdr> 99% of fundamental arabs  consider the USA the devil incarnate and have so for several generations     << what i am amazed at  is this   why dont most americans know this  or have been taught this???
[20:03] <mk> today marks the day where Freedom finally gets it’s restraints
[20:03] <sail> Air Traffic Controllers Spotted Unidentified Aircraft
[20:03] <songw> them celebrtaing was dragging nyc in effigy thru their sts
[20:04] <Suzanne> sail> when?
[20:04] <sail> http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/5m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/articles/pmfaa.htm
[20:04] <deac> market dumped on jfk assasination i presume may follow that pattern
[20:04] <Mel1> why do they (Arabs) feel that way??
[20:04] <xstanx> imo palestinians should get nuked at the same time we nuke Afganistan
[20:04] <sail> that’s about the plane that hit pentagon, was originally heading to WH then veered
[20:04] <pttrdr> becuase we support Israel
[20:04] <Young_Grasshopper> religion, USA’s stance on Israel that started after WWII…
[20:04] <pttrdr> its that simple
[20:05] <PMA> man they speculating gas at $5 a gallon here
[20:05] <mk> Arabs feel that way for many reasons, one of which is that they have a desert full of old economy resource and we have about everything else
[20:05] <JayT> right up the street from me I have a Sunoco Gas station run by Arabs…….hmmmmmmmmm
[20:05] <xstanx> we need to hit them so hard and so fast every terrorist will be scared to ever bomb the usa
[20:05] <pttrdr> public schools have really dropped the ball on the middle east
[20:05] <AV_OUT> terrorists are created by circmustances and rhetoric
[20:05] * StephenB doesn’t have to go anywhere and damned if I’m gonna burn a drop of gas and help those loser scalpers out
[20:05] <pacman> Bush needs a Corlioni manouver executed right now.
[20:05] <Suzanne> you guys are going to be really suprised if it doesnt turn out to be arab attack
[20:06] <deac> religious leaders running iran still aren’t they- same as afgan
[20:06] <sail> actually WH mighta been able to shoot down that plane, surprised the pentagon couldn’t — prob no air defenses
[20:06] <kane> the lights on the Empire State building are off
[20:06] <Yogibear101> I don’t think it’s Jewish attack
[20:06] <pttrdr> the fact remains    arabs are dancing   while the brits and the germans and even the russkijs are mourning
[20:06] <dabb> bush speaks at 8:30 or 9?
[20:06] <Young_Grasshopper> Reagan “mistakenly” Qadafi’s family…not a bad idea
[20:06] <pttrdr> 8:30
[20:06] <sail> 8:30
[20:06] <deac> sudan gave passports to some terrorists caught in calif earlier this year- they’re known for butching Christians there
[20:06] <gtt> arab extremists already tried to hit trade center twice at least
[20:06] <Young_Grasshopper> bombed
[20:06] <dumper> i though 9
[20:06] <mk> have to love the russians mourning us
[20:07] <Mel1> I want revenge u hear me…revenge….but somehow we have to figure out how to stop what is causing so much of the world to hate us so vehemently
[20:07] <pacman> comon Suzanne you really think its the militants? give me a break.
[20:07] <pacman> militia.
[20:07] <Suzanne> im playing devils advocate is all Yogi, noone knows for sure who it was, so the speculation that it was ” arab ” ( that being a whole bunch of diff countrys too btw ) is scary
[20:07] <StephenB> wow, what horrid new video is surfacing of the 2nd plane taken from the street looking up….wow
[20:07] <AV_OUT> Mel1 – read some history and a newspaper other than USA Today
[20:07] <Yogibear101> Couldn’t be Africans, they don’t like to fly
[20:07] <matsuokah> cnn says all businesses below 14th st closed tomorrow
[20:08] <bubbles> stephen – is that the one shot from below the guy that looks up?
[20:08] <pacman> you guys got to be real stupid to think it was not arabs extremists.
[20:08] <pttrdr> In a Tom Clancy Novle   in the year 2054  an aged operative on his deathbed utters with his last breath    9    11  01   the israelis did it
[20:08] <StephenB> yes
[20:08] <boardsport> the crashed plane was on the way to the white house
[20:08] <Mel1> I have AV_OUT
[20:08] <flier> (Dow Jones)–Explosions have been heard in downtown Kabul,
[20:08] <flier> Afghanistan, CNN reports.
[20:08] <flier>   It remained unclear what was causing the explosions but the CNN reporter on
[20:08] <flier> the ground said they sounded like missile impacts.
[20:08] <flier>   Kabul anti-aircraft fire has also begun.
[20:08] <bucko> DJN: DJ Australia Backs US In Any Response To Attacks – PM
[20:08] <boardsport> Controllers then saw that a Boeing 757 identified as United Flight 93, flying from Newark to San Francisco, had turned toward Washington over Pennsylvania. However, the United plane crashed for unknown reasons about 10 a.m. about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.
[20:08] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 20:08:26)
[20:08] <rac1> Suzanne, this was definitely islamic fundamentalists, you can bet on that
[20:08] <StephenB> hope he ran REAL fast after…don’t know how long it took for the 1st debris to fall
[20:08] <flier> Federal aviation officials are reporting that the transponders had been turned off on all four of the planes that crashed today, including two that flew into the World Trade Center.
[20:08] <JayT> StephenB, did you see CBS’s film on the plane hitting the towers?
[20:08] <Young_Grasshopper> most of us traders are pretty darn educated and realize that it was a matter of “when” instead of “if”
[20:08] <songw> i bet that penn pilot is a hero
[20:08] <Suzanne> not saying it wasnt pacman, just saying when you say ” arab ” your talking about MANY countrys
[20:08] <mk> WWIII will be a religious and racial war, unfortunately, the US, Russia, Europe, versus just about everyone else
[20:08] <StephenB> yeah, that was gross too
[20:08] <ferrari> just got back–brief update on death toll and afghani attack please
[20:08] * Yogibear101 8:07pm 09/11/01 JAPAN CANCELS 130 COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS; 40 CARGO FLIGHTS
[20:08] <bubbles> yes, stephen – that is the most shocking video I’ve seen
[20:09] <bucko> japan open?
[20:09] <flow> For those of you who didn’t know it yet. DigitallyImported is broadcasting the DC Police Riot, Bomb and Special Operation’s Channels. They are chasing suspicious packages all over town.
[20:09] <Itravel> or the people on board over powered the hijackers
[20:09] <flow> http://66.9.105.2:8666/listen.pls
[20:09] <sail> ferrari, dunno but a 3rd wtc 47 story building collapsed
[20:09] <StephenB> Folks, remember how bad some people in the ARAB world can be….if you want to be just as bad, just go on ASSUMING that we know who did it and let your anger and hate make you rush to judgement.  Don’t be like some loser Islamic fundementalist Ayatollah
[20:09] <rac1> wow 200 fireman dead!
[20:09] <flow> Well said StephenB
[20:10] <bucko> DJN: DJ Japan Shiokawa -2: Fears Global Economy Will Worsen
[20:10] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 20:09:29)
[20:10] <deac> hitler was a racist war japan also every war is race cause the countries all got 1
[20:10] <bizee> ferrari, cnn saying 78 policemen and 200 firefighters missing
[20:10] <mk> StephenB our own government says “90% chance ” its the Arabs
[20:10] <Young_Grasshopper> 200 of its finest fire fighters were lost today…from Brokaw…
[20:10] <bucko> thats an irresponsible statement
[20:10] <Young_Grasshopper> first number out
[20:10] <pacman> he StephenB are you an Arab.
[20:10] <Suzanne> no, just from cali he is
[20:10] <StephenB> yes, and let’s  let them do a proper investigation…the world will not forgive national vigilanteism
[20:10] <Suzanne> sheesh
[20:10] <bubbles> ditto stephenb – I lived in Turkey for 2 years and I can tell you that the majority of those muslims are disgusted by what happened here
[20:10] <pacman> Where do you live Stephen?
[20:11] <StephenB> No, my last Name is Beltramini….Italian American…from outside Boston
[20:11] <rac1> a proper investigation, then we should properly exterminate them
[20:11] <pacman> I will pass your address to the CIA.
[20:11] <StephenB> maybe rac1 only then though
[20:11] <deac> i know that muslims will kill their own child if he/she converts to Christian
[20:11] <dumper> i cannot believe that no one got footage of the first plane hit yet !
[20:11] <rac1> when the final tally is made it will be devestating
[20:11] <deac> happens every day plus they try tokill the missionary who talked to the child
[20:12] <yahoo> deac, muslims from middle east only
[20:12] <deac> right like songw said some nice muslims over here americanized away from their religious leaders
[20:12] <Tulsa52> Chriatians on trial in Afgafistan now
[20:12] <PMA> the only thing i am racisist is it seems the arabs own the all the hotels lol
[20:12] <StephenB> yes, listening to david brudnoy on WBZ in Boston right now, going on about the horrors of the itollorant governments and people of that part of the world…I do not make light of it…Just remember WE follow the rule of law, just like last November
[20:13] <StephenB> intollorant
[20:13] <rac1> these people have forfeited any right to due process, just identify them and eradicate them imo
[20:13] <pacman> Arab can not be trusted, they do not honor the 10 commendments. Since they dont believe in the laws of God.
[20:13] <deac> others have said too many arabs been invited in this country and given jobs at airports (kinda right wing comment)
[20:13] <codeblue> deac, we shouldn’t confuse religion with insanity – most muslims are extremely peaceful – it’s just their leaders who use religion against them.
[20:13] <Young_Grasshopper> I knew a friend from lebanon who saw a Jew drawn and quartered….pulled apart by cars he was chained to…and he told me about how in Lebanon, they  hung people in the streets…He finally went schizo…I don’t know a lot of places that do that…
[20:13] <StephenB> rule of law kept us together then, it will be our savior now…THAT makes us different from them
[20:13] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Nymex: Oil Trade To Remain Closed “At Least” Through Thu
[20:13] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 20:14:08)
[20:13] <Suzanne> http://www.abcnews.com/sections/world/DailyNews/terrormain980610.html
[20:14] <Tulsa52> Just had a grade changing scandal at the local jr. college. The students involed were from the mid-east
[20:14] <JayT> Earlier I asked; What happened to the Markets the last time we went to war? (Gulf maybe), and no one answered.
[20:14] <deac> well i get quite a few missionary organization reports and daily we’re being killed over there
[20:14] <Yogibear101> poof
[20:15] <PMA> jay didnt they rally
[20:15] <dms> I called Red Cross. They are in Dire need of blood. If you have the time please go and give.
[20:15] <Young_Grasshopper> I did talk about the gulf war and the market reaction Jay T
[20:15] <rac1> i dont think the gulf war even compares to this
[20:15] <JayT> Big Time
[20:15] <gtt> ended up rallying after a decline i think jayt
[20:15] <songw> this is the worse thing i’ve ever seen
[20:15] <bizee> oh god, nbc just showed someone jumping from very high levels of wtc
[20:15] <deac> somebody posts their koran where it said to eliminate non arabs
[20:15] <codeblue> the markets dived on the news of the Gulf War, and recovered a day/two into the campaign when it became clear we were winning.
[20:15] <Young_Grasshopper> one sec Jay T, I will get it
[20:15] <Suzanne> agreed dms and money for relief funds, we are all traders and we make ok money, do what you can
[20:16] <rac1> gulf war=tv war.. this is war brought to your doorstep
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[20:16] <codeblue> people read a lot of things into the Christian Bible too.
[20:16] <Young_Grasshopper> <Young_Grasshopper>  I think that if you look at the ’91 Iraq conflict the market turned when we invaded Kuwait…we went down more…and turned the day of the invasion…that ws the bottom I thin to the day…
[20:16] <codeblue> Crusades, many wars in Europe, and now Ireland come to mind.  Everybody thinks they’re right, and everybody’s wrong
[20:17] <Mel1> religious wars are the scariest imho
[20:17] <songw> oh my God
[20:17] *** mats is now known as matsuokah
[20:17] <Young_Grasshopper> the market went down a lot when Kuwait was invaded…then turned exactly when we entered the war Jayt
[20:17] <Tulsa52> Wonder if any muslims were in the wtb .
[20:17] <songw> cbs showing a guy falling from the upper floors
[20:17] <Suzanne> yes
[20:18] <bubbles> reports of many many people jumping from the buildings
[20:18] <gtt> looks like bush moved speech up to 830 est from 900
[20:18] *** Guest82086 is now known as bork
[20:18] <Mel1> anyone wanting to know when Japanese mkts open go here:http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B955E1372%2D39DC%2D46DA%2D9B46%2D9EE581DE8B24%7D&siteid=mktw
[20:18] <Lakay> so how many buildings totally collapsed ??
[20:18] <Mel1> 3
[20:18] <codeblue> so far
[20:18] <Young_Grasshopper> no offense, and I am not religious at all, but the Koran is an eye for an eye point of view…Saudi Arabia’s Constitution is the Kuran.  they chop off arms when people steal…
[20:19] <deac> professor of islamic study on radio today said mohammid(sp) claimed to be told by allah to eliminate christians and jews-he was their ‘jesus’
[20:19] <rac1> its ok grasshopper, its time we called it for what it is
[20:19] <rac1> enough of this pretending that we can all just “get along”
[20:19] <Suzanne> some of these kids on tv they are showing tonight dont have parents anymore 🙁
[20:19] * Yogibear101 8:19pm 09/11/01 KOREA STOCK EXCHANGE SAYS TRADE TO OPEN AT NOON-REUTERS
[20:19] <mk> very ironic that religion is the root of all evil
[20:20] <codeblue> just because parts of their religion/govt. is f-ed doesn’t mean you write off millions innocent peaceful people, that *is* how wars get started
[20:20] <songw> this living wears me out
[20:20] <deac> jfk assasination may be the pattern to follow mkt musta dumped then
[20:20] <AV_OUT> yes mk
[20:20] <StephenB> what’s with this moving van they have an a b p out for?
[20:20] <StephenB> apb that is
[20:20] <bork> politics do not represent culture. you can not blame this on islam
[20:20] <codeblue> listening to cop radio?
[20:20] <Mel1> songw….u can do it
[20:20] <rac1> imo market will dump, try to bounce, fail and drift lower for quite some time
[20:21] <incog> remember how WWI started by the torpedoing of the Lustitania killing innocent Americans, How we do not learn from history.
[20:21] <Suzanne> song all your ppl in nyc accounted for i assume? or you wouldnt be here
[20:21] <StephenB> then that quy was assinated…
[20:21] <codeblue> most people are the same, they want food, security, shelter for their family.
[20:21] <songw> i have many friends in that part of town-as do we all
[20:21] <Tulsa52> Suzanne, pastor of my church has relatives that work at the wtb, they havent been heard from…
[20:22] <Suzanne> good
[20:22] <flow> codeblue, riot police radio is being streamed over the net
[20:22] <Bubba> that guy on the vvvv board that posted the message last night in on line FIW – name is  http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/5m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/articles/pmfaa.htm
[20:22] <deac> blame it on fact arabs won’t allow israel 1 tenth of 1% of arab land a slice the size of connecticut
[20:22] <codeblue> when it is all over, we’re all going to know someone or about someone that was hurt/killed.
[20:22] <Schooner> I would have hoped they would keep the markets closed until Monday to let all absorb things and not over-react as that is what is to be expected in situations like this. We don’t have to ‘prove .
[20:22] <bork> the extreme always makes an impression. only a very few people of any culture are extremists
[20:22] <Mel1> 8:21pm 09/11/01   TAIWAN SUSPENDS STOCK TRADING ON WEDNESDAY
[20:22] <rac1> lady on cbs giving intense account
[20:22] <Schooner> anything by trying to stay open
[20:23] <flow> rac1, does cbs have live streaming somewhere?
[20:23] <deac> israel was there first the word palestine came down from philistines who arrived by boat to the area
[20:23] <Young_Grasshopper> Mohamad may be a religious leader and the most popular religious figure in the world, however he was a military leader as well who was under assault by radical Christian kamakazis…to many historians (not arabs of course) he created the religion for military purposes…
[20:23] <rac1> i really dont know flow
[20:24] <Young_Grasshopper> (that is the atheistic historical perspective)
[20:24] <flow> rac1, n/m found it – its on their front page at www.cbs.com
[20:24] <songw> sometimes i think of grief like an animal-its always out there pacing around ,certain to find us if only briefly-over and over again
[20:24] <StephenB> dont know if they’ll ever get the cockpit voice recorders at the wtc crash, but maybe the Pentagon and PA crashes will tell something
[20:24] <deac> in fact God says it’s their land so what happened in 1991 when bush sr tried to change that with oslo accord?
[20:24] <rac1> servers prob overloaded
[20:24] <AV_OUT> yes song – just part of living
[20:24] <deac> the perfect storm smashed bush sr’s compound in 1991 after oslo is what
[20:25] <rac1> songw grief is part of life, but this is a diferent kind of suffering/pain
[20:25] <rac1> its humanity tearing itself apart
[20:25] <Suzanne> so we wait
[20:25] <Suzanne> and wait
[20:25] <Suzanne> and wait
[20:25] <deac> then bush jr puts out mitchell report to take away isreal land and what happened?
[20:26] <^maxim^> the black box from the PA crash should provide valuable clues
[20:26] <Kitt> Hopefully, at 8:30, Bush will give us some sense of direction.
[20:26] <boardsport> His Vow: To Kill Americans
[20:26] <boardsport> An Exclusive Interview with the World’s Most Wanted Terrorist
[20:26] <deac> 3 days later texas smashed with incredible floods is what
[20:26] <songw> gw next-lets get behind this guy–one voice
[20:27] <Suzanne> yea boardsport, thats from that url i posted
[20:27] <boardsport> Thanks suzanne.
[20:27] <flow> The broadcasts of palestinians celebrating in the streets were quite shocking. It’s hard to imagina anyone can celebrate a disaster like this 🙁
[20:27] <boardsport>  look at isreal on that map.  how do they sleep at night
[20:28] <gtt> they all got m16s
[20:28] <mk> flow we danced in the streets after Japan was bombed and war ended
[20:28] <mk> so it’s all perspective
[20:28] <flow> mk, would you agree that a war is a bit different from a terrorist attack on innocent civilian targets?
[20:28] <flow> you can hardly compare the two.
[20:28] <Tulsa52> ankle deep financial documents on the streets in NY
[20:29] <mk> yes flow it’s different but still we have to put it in perspective, there have been times we danced after mass slaughter (though justified)
[20:29] <gtt> about time for the us military to take over air control functions i guess
[20:29] <incog> I guess we are not the smartest or most successful species on earth, we will certainly be superceded by something less poisonous.
[20:29] <bork> not sure about the justified part.
[20:29] <StephenB> gosh, I left morpheus running on one computer cause it’s in my start folder…lots of people have downloaded….what ARE they thinking???…shutting it down now!
[20:29] <codeblue> there are many who have been brainwashed to hate the US
[20:30] <flow> mk, agree – justification is quite one-sided and our idea of justification might very well differ from other countries.
[20:30] <incog> Bush on
[20:30] <incog> NBC
[20:30] <Tulsa52> GW fixing to speak
[20:30] <Suzanne> shhh
[20:30] <rac1> perl harbor brought the us into ww2, germany was defeated and historys course was altered.. this act will spur us to do something, and god only knows the outcome
[20:30] <JayT> President
[20:30] <flow> codeblue, but still the ability to organize a simultaneous attack WITH terrorists capable of flying planes these size is a scary thought.
[20:31] <JettiSon> hey if u were a palestinian, with constant attacks from the Israelis, supported by the US, what would u do… We need to stop supporting Israel with their own terrorism; on the other hand i also feel anyone celebrating this act is an enemy of the USA.. it’s a very difficult situation
[20:31] <bork> he sounds like a robot
[20:32] <Tulsa52> no he doesnt
[20:32] <xstanx> not hard actually if you bomb usa soil imo you should be nuked
[20:32] <rac1> guy under major pressure, give him some slack
[20:32] <xstanx> if you laugh at usa pain then expect to be our enemy
[20:33] <Mel1>  8:30pm 09/11/01   JAPAN AIRLINES SAYS TO CANCEL ALL FLIGHTS TO THE U.S.
[20:33] <nightly1> xstanx sick comment to use genocide
[20:33] <xstanx> not really
[20:33] <flow> mel1, are there actually any airports open for incoming flights? I thought all traffic was redirected to Canada?
[20:33] <xstanx> fear is all they understand
[20:33] <incog> no distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them
[20:34] <deac> ‘those who harbor them’
[20:34] <incog> key
[20:34] <deac> firm
[20:34] <StephenB> all airports and airspace closed, except military
[20:34] <rac1> translation, prepare to be bombed, afghanistan
[20:34] <disko> anybody here know if we had any traders with msdw @ the WTC?
[20:34] <xstanx> let every terrorist know if they bomb us there country will be nuked i bet we will never get bombed again
[20:35] <JayT> wow
[20:35] <deac> tony blair also used word ‘evil’
[20:35] <DChristie> no war
[20:35] <DChristie> avoid war please
[20:35] <JayT> omg
[20:35] <mk> terrorists don’t really care if the country harboring them gets bombed
[20:35] <mk> that’s the problem
[20:35] <StephenB> stan, they might STILL do it, unless they themselves were personally eliminated
[20:35] <xstanx> dc we are at war just need to find a target
[20:35] <deac> ended with God bless again
[20:35] <Young_Grasshopper> you are not the only oneto flirt with that idea xstanx…I think all of us in here have for at least a little bit…but I think if we just go after the bad guys, we can use this as a political weapon for years…we can threaten to France if they buy oil from Iraq, etc, etc.
[20:35] <deac> let’s go back to our declaration of independence: 1 nation under God
[20:36] <incog> war is a forgone conclusion I fear
[20:36] <Suzanne> do you guys interpret that as war?
[20:36] <winwinajs> war with who?
[20:36] <Suzanne> the speech i mean?
[20:36] <xstanx> all those who died deserve nothing less then war
[20:36] <Wizski> I didn’t suz.
[20:36] <Suzanne> nor did i
[20:36] <mk> not war, just selective bombing
[20:36] <incog> he opened the door to attack any country who harbors the terrorists
[20:36] <roger2> no war..we don’t need a war
[20:36] <bork> you need someone to fight back for war
[20:37] <Photon> Nope… no saber rattling in that speech
[20:37] <matsuokah> ‘quiet, unyielding anger’ was the best phrase his writers worked in
[20:37] <JettiSon> let’s go kill more innocent people… that will solve the problem.. NOT
[20:37] <Suzanne> my anger over all this feels slightly disappointed at that speech
[20:37] <xstanx> bush knows who did it you can take that to the bank
[20:37] <Photon> but it was a weak speech
[20:37] <Young_Grasshopper> that is pretty good…I would love to just roll around with roving SEAL teams taking out people, saying if you can’t police your own people, we can do that for you…
[20:37] <JayT> right Suzanne
[20:37] <JayT> me too
[20:37] <bork> bush should of used his own words this time
[20:37] <deac> was firm seems to be a hawk with his space shield and iraq bombings that many in world haven’t liked especially russia
[20:37] <^maxim^> not yoo great leadership speech…
[20:37] <locust> talk softly and carry a big stick  Bush did just fine  no bluster n BS
[20:37] <AV_OUT> chris matthews has a good point – hard to call suicidal terrorists “faceless cowards”
[20:37] <incog> the speech was intended to calm Americans at this point.
[20:38] <Young_Grasshopper> …but, we might have hard time distinguishing the good from the bad if you do not help us…
[20:38] <disko> Methinbks GW ain’t gonna say anything that lets the perps know what we,re doing or gonna do
[20:38] <Itravel> not the words but the actions that follow are what’s important
[20:38] <Suzanne> agreed disko
[20:38] <ig> exactly, locust. actions, not words
[20:38] <Suzanne> i dont think he wants to alert or alarm anyone
[20:38] <disko> exactly suz
[20:38] <Tarzan> zackly suz
[20:38] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, GW ain’t saying much…I wish he had a more powerful speech
[20:38] <Suzanne> because you can bet your boots and his that americans were not the only ones watching that
[20:38] <roger2> the whole free world will side with the US to end the terrorist threat..its everyone’s problem
[20:38] <Wizski> attempting to instill calm is what he was doing.
[20:38] <Photon> That was weak Suz
[20:39] <JayT> Coward, why are we using that word. a Coward would fly a plane into a building….i dont think so
[20:39] <AV_OUT> well grasshopper – i’m sure he did his best…
[20:39] <Lakay> Bush addressing the nation yet ??
[20:39] <songw> he did ok
[20:39] <codeblue> over, Lakay
[20:39] <Young_Grasshopper> what about Egypt supporting terrorism?  why do we put up with taht
[20:39] <Suzanne> he did ok
[20:39] <pttrdr> for once i wants a president to say “we know who they are and we are going to kick their butts.”
[20:39] <incog> he did fine,
[20:39] <pttrdr> wanted
[20:39] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, already lakay…finished
[20:39] <mamapg> he did the best, to comfort thr crowd
[20:39] <codeblue> what can he say at this point?
[20:39] <^maxim^> toned down..ok
[20:39] <rac1> the underlying problem is that this adversary doesnt care about economic issues, they cant be placated with trinkets or doodads, capitalism means nothing, justice and due process are alien concepts, they adhere to the twisted teachings from a collection of writings thousands of years old that will never be reconciled with our modern day existence.. we must fight, support israel and their methods and deal with this situation once and for all
[20:39] <incog> right now we need to support our President regardless of our political persuasions, he needs our support
[20:39] <Tri-afk> he forgot the “vengeance” word
[20:40] <gtt> he did fine, his consultations more important than a quick speech
[20:40] <bbcc> terrorists wanted a long speech and panic but we are not giving them either
[20:40] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah…better to make a speech now….dont make too many promises…you will have to deliver…you can always spin later…
[20:40] <Fester> lots of targets, Bush war team will pull out maps & lists of know terrorist locations, hideaways, terrorist friendlies, and the like, then bomb the heck out of them
[20:40] <Photon> Yep… support him
[20:40] <R> Lets get behind your President, very good speech and he means business….US is an incredible country…I would be proud as hell to be an American…you guys will overcome this
[20:40] <Suzanne> ABOVE all else we have to support him
[20:40] <Tri-afk> “duke’em…nuke’em”
[20:40] <JettiSon> i support direct action toward terrorists, but not more innocent lives
[20:40] <StephenB> now the Congress has to speak tomorrow morning
[20:40] <Tarzan> here’s our man!
[20:40] <xstanx> yep nuke em
[20:40] <Tarzan> norman!
[20:40] <Young_Grasshopper> I mean, “better to make a “quick” and “little” speech now is what I meant to say
[20:41] <AV_OUT> i’m not convinced that this attack is not at it’s core motivated by a sense of injustice and economics
[20:41] <ig> you’re not going to get the terrorists without innocents getting hurt
[20:41] <JayT> “game” we’re soooo politically correct. Forget it. Get hard, mean, strong and put out a statement that will rock the world
[20:41] <bork> nuke em.. you nuke yourself. not a good way to retaliate
[20:41] <mk> yes rac1 the only solution is to eliminate this enemy, there is no other course, they are not a country, they are more like bugs that need to be stamped out, not only these but anymore that get hatched in the future
[20:41] <pttrdr> !world
[20:41] <bobby44> scene is rather surreal in the streets of nyc . . .
[20:41] <JettiSon> bombing capitals of countries like Afganistan won’t cure the problem
[20:42] <incog> The Japanese tonight, I am sure, understand what has been wrought.
[20:42] <rac1> if we are essentially at war, lets just fight it to win.. we really have no choice
[20:42] <AV_OUT> yeah jay – bring on the nukes to NYC next time – we’re tough
[20:42] <bobby44> very few cars
[20:42] <xstanx> i dont care about right or wrong i want action against any who did this even a country who lets the dogs hide
[20:42] <gtt> wonder whats up in pakistan now
[20:42] <ig> some of u guys think you’re watching WWF?
[20:42] <bobby44> an occasional siren
[20:42] * Yogibear101 8:38pm 09/11/01 NIKKEI TUMBLES ALMOST 3% TO 9,990.53, DOWN 302.42 PTS
[20:42] <Tri-afk> agree ig…and they know that…so more innocents will be use as their bullet proof vest
[20:42] <Photon> 3% isn’t bad
[20:42] <roger2> when they start pulling out the victims and printing names you will  see the American people take up arms and demand justice!
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[20:42] <Suzanne> either im stupid or something but how did the #7 building go down hours later?
[20:42] <AV_OUT> well xs – harboring is going to get a bad name at this point
[20:42] <AV_OUT> fire Suz
[20:43] <incog> yes it did suz
[20:43] <Jane> nikkei now down 443
[20:43] <incog> took hours
[20:43] <Robbin> fire Suzanne
[20:43] <Photon> Fire and structural damage
[20:43] <StephenB> fire was never controlled
[20:43] <xstanx> war people want war imo
[20:43] <Fester> it was on fire all day suzanne
[20:43] <Robbin> couldn’t get to it
[20:43] <gtt> i think 7 linked below surface
[20:43] <disko> <disko> anybody here know if we had any traders with msdw @ the WTC?
[20:43] <xstanx> those who died deserve it
[20:43] <ig> Newt breathing fire on Fox
[20:43] <DChristie> people who want war are the guys that actually not going
[20:43] <mk> xstanx you can’t have a war against a few scattered terrorists in hiding all over the place
[20:43] <AV_OUT> i’m sure we did disko
[20:43] <DChristie> they want others to go and sacrafice
[20:43] <disko> thats what I’m afraid of
[20:44] <xstanx> mk what would you do ? nothing
[20:44] <rac1> if the us would show they mean biz, that would go a long way… it worked against the japanese in ww2
[20:44] <Suzanne> <xstanx> those who died deserve it <– clarify that xstanx, please i know what you mean but make it all one sentance so everyone does
[20:44] <pttrdr> i think tom brokaw is working for the islamic jihad
[20:44] <Tri-afk> no joking here but…the employment number will be much improve in the next Q or so
[20:44] <nightly1> no msdw traders waste there time in chat rooms
[20:44] <AV_OUT> disko – this will “hit home” day by day for weeks as the names and faces of the victims come out
[20:44] <DChristie> woo .. that’s cruel xstanx
[20:44] <pttrdr> everything tom brokaw says  reeks of “fear all arabs they are superior”
[20:44] <Suzanne> eh? my chatroom is a waste of time?? heh
[20:44] <StephenB> yeah, stan, I know you meant the suicide people, but it was very open to misinterpretation
[20:44] <mk> xstanx which country would you declare war on ? looks to me like no country is attacking us, it’s a group spread thin and in hiding
[20:44] <xstanx> suzanne americans were killed on american soil justice needs to be done
[20:44] <DChristie> those who died deserve it ?
[20:45] <DChristie> jeez cruel
[20:45] <JayT> Now i wonder what Kennedy would have done today
[20:45] <locust> Newt on Fox layin down the law
[20:45] <rac1> sadam, kadafi, this bid laden guy, find them, eliminae them, end of story
[20:45] <bork> one fire chief in NYC lost ALL his men
[20:45] <Suzanne> DChristie, scroll back and put his comments together
[20:45] <kane> everything is linked below the WTC
[20:45] <locust> 200 firefighter missing 78 police
[20:45] <xstanx> bush knows ladan did it with Afganistan hiding the dog
[20:45] <locust> 🙁
[20:45] <kane> it is a small city down there
[20:45] <JayT> kane, hows things there
[20:45] <pttrdr> yup    1. make the list (Tope twenty terrorists)    2.  Kill them  3.  Make a nightly report to Americans
[20:45] <kane> quiet
[20:45] <pttrdr> Top
[20:45] <JayT> you ok???
[20:45] <bork> but ladan always fessed up before, why would he not this time?
[20:45] <bobby44> 7 linked by overpass if i remember
[20:45] <kane> yeah
[20:45] <bobby44> wtc 7
[20:46] <kane> I’m uptown
[20:46] <AV_OUT> a country like this has no practical defense against an individual or group willing to die to make a point
[20:46] <locust> surprised that jesse “the mouth” jackson and al sharpton havent weighed in yet
[20:46] <kane> there is an underground mall there
[20:46] <Wolfwood> AV out guards on all planes would have stopped it
[20:46] <JayT> by the lookes of it, up town want so far from the smoke
[20:46] <Photon> We had better get a practical defense
[20:46] <rac1> we can make their supporters pay a very high price
[20:46] <kane> bigger than some shopping malls
[20:46] <mk> the “war” will most likely be years of the US tracking down and selectively eliminating one terrorist at a time
[20:47] <Jane> nikkei down 578
[20:47] <disko> traders from all the big houses used to trade here…I knew several…fwiw
[20:47] <Photon> They know of terrorist camps
[20:47] <JayT> kane, did you go down there at all?
[20:47] <kane> no
[20:47] <AV_OUT> yes wolf – stopping a duplication of this may  be relatively easy – for domestic flights
[20:47] <kane> can’t get close
[20:47] <rac1> Photon, great so drop a small nuke in the vicinity
[20:47] * Robbin is an employee of MSWD in Manhattan..I’m upstate now, I recieved word tonight a memo came out about 2pm “most all” MSWD employees on 70th floor and lower got OUT!!!
[20:47] <Photon> sheesh
[20:47] <pttrdr> Imagine for a moment that your local police department decided to hunt you down   and what you would do about it    then imagine if the full might and power of your state decided to hunt you down    then imagine if the full power of the greatest country in the history of civilization decided to hunt you down
[20:47] <Young_Grasshopper> I wonder when China will threaten to invade Taiwan…that was also in Clancy’s book…China vies for Taiwan and India wants to invade Sri Lanka…
[20:47] <songw> i think we could find and kill every person involved-all their families -all their acquantances and it wouldn’t matter–this was a 1 day war and they won
[20:47] <Young_Grasshopper> after USA’s weakeness
[20:48] <disko> Robbin…good news
[20:48] <Suzanne> Fantastic Robbin
[20:48] <Robbin> yes disko thank GOD
[20:48] <kane> man you ppl have no idea what went down today
[20:48] <incog> what about 70th floor and above?
[20:48] <AV_OUT> yep song – that’s a fair appraisal
[20:48] <nightly1> trader “mm” whatever trading house/proprietary account within a large house is reading chat room chatter
[20:48] <AV_OUT> fill us in kane
[20:48] <Robbin> is all the memo said incog
[20:48] <incog> k
[20:48] <JayT> great Robbin
[20:48] <rac1> songw when you get sucker punched if it doesnt knock you out it just makes you real mad
[20:48] <Robbin> MSWD stock trading floor is on Broadway fwiw
[20:49] <mk> easy to win a war when you are an invisible enemy
[20:49] <Robbin> NOT WTC
[20:49] <incog> well I pray most people got out
[20:49] <kane> 7wtc was just 42 stories high
[20:49] <incog> 42 stories is enourmous
[20:49] <pttrdr> DJN: *DJ Nikkei 225 Stock Average Down 5%
[20:49] <JayT> “just”
[20:49] <AV_OUT> it’s bigger than any building in this state kane
[20:49] <DingoDog> anyone experiencing gas stations raising prices?  some here in dallas have raised their prices
[20:49] <bobby44> just ???
[20:50] <disko> $5 at one place in Detroit
[20:50] <bizee> must be perspective, sounds high to me
[20:50] <mflutie> “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve” – Admiral Yamamoto, commander of the Japanese fleet.  December 8th, 1941
[20:50] <kane> then think of 2 buildings the size of one city block over 100 stories tall
[20:50] <JayT> people jumped from 70 stories
[20:50] <mflutie> lets replay those words
[20:50] <kane> one city block each
[20:50] <Photon> Not yet… paid 1.59 for Plus… they’re raising prices tomorrow tho
[20:50] <rac1> Dingo, thats part of the grand plan.. come over here and take over all the gas stations, they jack the prices when your countrymen bomb us
[20:50] <AV_OUT> kane – your point?
[20:50] <incog> looks like a quake hit New York
[20:50] <kane> this was massive structures
[20:51] * Yogibear101 8:48pm 09/11/01 NIKKEI DOWN MORE THAN 6%, LOSES 575 POINTS TO 9,717.09
[20:51] <bobby44> the price rise may discourage people from topping off their tanks
[20:51] <kane> now take all that material and pile it up
[20:51] <stockup> Prices are to be 3 dollars per gallon in AM 5 dollars by major interstate highways. People lined up for gas
[20:51] <pttrdr>  DJN: *DJ Nikkei 225 Stock Average Dips Below 9700
[20:51] <kane> I am in shock here
[20:51] <rac1> in japan they just holding their breath, waiting for the real dump
[20:51] <Suzanne> even lined up in small towns in texas
[20:51] <pttrdr> DJN: *DJ Nikkei 225 Stock Average Down 6 %
[20:51] <Young_Grasshopper> Greenspans wife on NBC
[20:51] <Suzanne> including me this afternoon
[20:51] <DingoDog> most stations i passed where holding prices … only found a fina that was over 2
[20:52] <AV_OUT> i understand kane – most of the country is
[20:52] <PT1> Nikkei should have closed down in sympathy with the US, not helping them to open the market, just makes situation worse imo
[20:52] <gtt> allright wheres ladin and his buddies hiding?
[20:52] <Suzanne> DingoDog!
[20:52] <Kinny> any one know the Quote.com symbol for the NIKKEI 225?
[20:52] <DingoDog> hi Suz!!
[20:52] <incog> I remember being told how they rebuilt Berlin over the rubble of WWII.  They just buried it and made parks.
[20:52] <JayT> kane, your welcome here if you need to get out of town
[20:52] <mk> the “sleeping giant” will awaken I hope, but it won’t be in any war retaliation effort as there is no enemy to declare war on, hopefully it will be in drastically increased national security effort
[20:52] <stockup> I went to the bank to get get cash…Forgot to get gas
[20:52] <Yogibear101> $NIKK
[20:52] <AV_OUT> kane – you live there?
[20:52] <JayT> yes he does
[20:52] <pttrdr> incog  they piled it up and made Teufelsberg (devils mountain) and it was built by the women of Berlin
[20:52] <kflaig> Better to have the market bottom in overseas markets before we open up imo.
[20:52] <kane> yeah
[20:52] <AV_OUT> sympathies
[20:52] <kane> even see it from my window
[20:53] <Suzanne> AV_OUT, easy on kane, he watched most of this today in living color he is there
[20:53] <kane> well use to
[20:53] <Kinny> thanks  didn’t work for me though
[20:53] <incog> yes I remember being taught that in int 1960s
[20:53] <mk> noone allowed on plane without full body search like in other countries, for example
[20:53] <winwinajs> what does it mean when you get “Ping Pong” on your Mirc status board
[20:53] <AV_OUT> we have nothing like that size here and i live in the biggest city in an average state
[20:53] <Suzanne> winwinajs, ignore it
[20:53] <kane> I even worked in those buildings several times
[20:53] <winwinajs> ok, thks
[20:53] <Suzanne> its just server msg
[20:53] <Wolfwood> my bank was limiting people to 5000.00 max cash today
[20:53] <kane> I could of been in there
[20:54] <AV_OUT> kane – i’m sure it’s far worse for you
[20:54] <incog> there but for the Grace of God go I
[20:54] <rac1> if you are male, from 18 to 50 and have a foreign / middle eastern name you should be stripped searched before boarding.. of course the aclu would never allow it
[20:54] <mflutie> they’re saying the temperature of the fire hit 1600 degrees & that’s what melted the skin awasy to cause the quick colapse
[20:54] <AV_OUT> we look around here and people are dazed but no where like there i’m sure
[20:54] <kane> yeah kinda makes you think that you live in ground zero
[20:55] <JayT> they just said, cold blooded, well executed, extremely well plained, and then they say Cowardly. Doesnt make sence.
[20:55] <Young_Grasshopper> I wonder what the Arabs think all these years knowing that Jews and Christians are just doing so well and making good together which is contrary to overly repetitive Quran prophecy.
[20:55] <incog> kane I work in a building with defense computers, I am glad they didn’t have the smarts to go after them
[20:55] <tami> hiya kane, glad to see your ok
[20:55] <mk> cowardly in the sense they shoot us in the back rather than fight face to face
[20:55] <kane> you think of it this was the perfect terrorist act
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[20:55] <Lakay> they are not coward, they are just plain crazy , out of their mind
[20:55] <mk> of course they can’t fight us face to face
[20:56] <kane> destroyed two buildings and took out firemen and policemen in
[20:56] <Tulsa52> The muslims teach that a marter(sp) instantly goes to heaven
[20:56] <Photon> martyr
[20:56] <xstanx> well tulsa we should help them get there then
[20:56] <rac1> right, and we should help as many as possible to go there as soon as possible
[20:56] <Tulsa52> ty
[20:57] <Tulsa52> lol
[20:57] <Tulsa52> i agree
[20:57] <JayT> kane, in NYC, do you think everyone is at work at about 9am?
[20:57] <rac1> its a win win situation actually
[20:57] <xstanx> let god sort em out
[20:57] <Yogibear101> The suicde bombers are told 72 virgins await them in heaven
[20:57] <prttrdr> Imagine for a moment if that cloud over manhattan was a bio-chemical hazard
[20:57] <kane> should of been an hour later
[20:57] <incog> that’s idiotic
[20:57] <mflutie> in NYC people are at work EARLIER than 9:00am
[20:57] <kane> but it took out enough ppl
[20:58] <xstanx> yogi then we would be doing them a favor
[20:58] <Yogibear101> with all these suicide bombers going to heaven, how many virgins ya figure are left?
[20:58] <mflutie>  NIKKEI: 9617.20 down 6.57%
[20:58] <prttrdr> two generations are no longer geopolitical innocents
[20:58] <incog> poor virgins, I hear they treat women very badly
[20:58] <JayT> they said about 10,00 in each building, my god, can that be true?
[20:58] <kane> 8:56pm TOP BRASS AT NYC POLICE, FIRE AMONG DEAD–CBS NEWS
[20:58] <kane> 8:57pm NIKKEI EXTENDS SLIDE, DOWN 7% TO 9,607, OFF 675 POINTS
[20:59] <mflutie> yes Jay
[20:59] <Mel1>  8:57pm 09/11/01   NIKKEI EXTENDS SLIDE, DOWN 7% TO 9,607, OFF 675 POINTS
[20:59] <Suzanne> WHY are they trading
[20:59] <Suzanne> fools
[20:59] * Yogibear101 8:57pm 09/11/01 [THOR, UAL] THORATEC CORP. SAYS COO BURNETT DIED IN UA CRASH
[20:59] <JayT> glade im not President
[20:59] <Suzanne> me too JayT
[20:59] <Suzanne> heh
[20:59] <Suzanne> *hug*
[20:59] <Lakay> any market open today just give hedge fund great chance to dump shares
[20:59] <JayT> my God
[20:59] <AV_OUT> many people waiting forever for their spouses and kids to never return….
[21:00] <winwinajs> TOKYO, Sept 12 (Reuters) – The Osaka Securities Exchange said it had temporarily suspended trading of Nikkei 225 futures contracts <0#JNI:> on Wednesday as hectic selling sent the contracts to its circuit-breaker level.
[21:00] <winwinajs> The benchmark September futures contract was last traded at 9,360, down 960 points from the previous close.
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[21:00] <bobby44> knives used could have been of strong plastic
[21:00] <bobby44> like acrylic
[21:00] <incog> ceraminc
[21:00] <kane> http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft.f+aol.f+dis.f+hwp.f+t.f+pg.f+ibm.f+orcl.f&d=t&m=a
[21:00] <incog> they make ceramic knives
[21:00] <prttrdr> DJN: *DJ Singapore STI Opens Dn 8.2% At 1432.05
[21:00] <xstanx> suzanne bush wanted to be president now lets wait in see how he leads
[21:00] <incog> very sharp like metal
[21:00] <JayT> bone
[21:00] <kane> ytup incog
[21:00] <Young_Grasshopper> so, do you reckon the dollar going down?
[21:00] <DB_Cooper> ]q ^n225
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[21:00] <mk> only way is full body search, they do that in many countries
[21:01] <JayT> bone is what they use
[21:01] <kane> ceramic knives are better than steel
[21:01] <mk> would you agree to be body searched if it meant you were safer? I would
[21:01] <Suzanne> he will be ok xstanx, he needs the support of his country and his administration
[21:01] <bobby44> i hope there is nobodyin here blaming Bush for this ?
[21:01] <prttrdr> for the interest of general Internet users.  The company wishes to make its
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[21:01] <Young_Grasshopper> so, do you reckon the dollar going down?
[21:01] <xstanx> i support any war action
[21:01] <StephenB> He needs Congress to speak forcefully tomorrow
[21:02] <Young_Grasshopper> I am good for war…you got a aye here
[21:02] <JayT> by the way, thank you Suzzie
[21:02] <mk> also all carryons should be thoroughly visually searched
[21:02] <mflutie> I can just see the ads for new job of “full body search person” wanted
[21:02] <incog> the visions of the towers are so horrific, they look like movie special effects, sadly they are not.
[21:02] <Suzanne> agreed, and from the looks of them tonight, they will
[21:02] <mk> mflutie it’s common practice in many countries
[21:02] <Photon> HE needs to speak with strength…
[21:02] <mk> they have female search females and males search males
[21:02] <xstanx> none of this passifist stuff that time is past
[21:02] <PT1> THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB:
[21:02] <PT1> Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters
[21:02] <PT1> http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm, recommended reading
[21:03] <Wizski> you know what, a simple writing pen can become a weapon in skilled hands.
[21:03] <PT1> Excerpt: ACCORDING TO THE presiding judge in last year’s trial, the bombing of New York’s World Trade Center on February 26, 1993 was meant to topple the city’s tallest tower onto its twin, amid a cloud of cyanide gas. Had the attack gone as planned, tens of thousands of Americans would have died. Instead, as we know, one tower did not fall on the other, and, rather than vaporizing, the cyanide gas burnt up in the heat of the explo
[21:03] <Photon> He needs to speak that way because not only does he have a military crisis, he has a financial crisis
[21:03] *** Guest63710 is now known as shebesavvy
[21:03] <kane> right Wizski
[21:03] <JayT> kane, you and tHEfED and i think one other are in NYC, our prayers are with you all.
[21:04] <tHEfED> thanks Jay
[21:04] <sunnyyyy> >  NEWS  thousands and thousands of people said to be buried beneath rubble – FOX
[21:04] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, same here…fED
[21:04] <kane> thanks JayT
[21:04] <kane> hi tHEfED
[21:04] <tHEfED> hey kane
[21:04] <Suzanne> fed, your ppl all accounted for?
[21:05] <tHEfED> close fam…yes
[21:05] <Wizski> when they take away anything that is capable of inflicting a wound, they will train them to kill with their bare hands.
[21:05] <tHEfED> friends and cousins…no
[21:05] <Lakay> how about wally ??
[21:05] <JayT> what do you mean
[21:05] <JayT> no
[21:05] <Lakay> wallstarb ??
[21:06] <AV_OUT> he’s ok Lak
[21:06] <Suzanne> Wally is ok, says everyone he knows is accounted for
[21:06] <Suzanne> he’s in NH not NYC anymore
[21:06] <Suzanne> <Yogibear101> AUSTRALIA’S QANTAS AIR SHARES SCREAM DOWN 10%
[21:06] <Lakay> glad to hear that
[21:06] <Fleance> abcnews talking about FAA discussing implementing an air marshall program where us marshalls fly on the airplains
[21:06] <Young_Grasshopper> dollar stronger against the yen so far…for whatever that is worth
[21:07] <JayT> tHEfED, whats up, what do you mean
[21:07] <tHEfED> ?
[21:07] <rac1> the us is gonna bomb the heck out of someone, and imo their is a reasonable chance that nukes will b employed
[21:07] <DingoDog> us marshalls do fly on flights.. just random flights.. not all
[21:07] <JayT> your friends and relatives
[21:07] <StephenB> I think we used armed marshalls on planes years ago in the early 70s when lots of hijacks occurred
[21:07] <incog> we need to model our airline security after Israel’s El Al security.
[21:07] <tHEfED> wont know for days if all are well
[21:07] <JayT> o
[21:07] <AV_OUT> Fleance – only alternative in the short run – a couple guys with sidearms
[21:07] <^maxim^> this is almost hard to believe: “I only wish (US President) George Bush and his dear little baby (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon had been buried in there too,” she added.
[21:07] <^maxim^> Fellow student Murad went as far as speculating that the United States was behind the attacks, “to find an excuse for the National Missile Defence system” that Bush wants to deploy to protect the United States from so-called rogue states, despite widespread global opposition.
[21:07] <Young_Grasshopper> Qantas has never had hijacking…not in Australia…can you name another country?…here is one…
[21:07] <Young_Grasshopper> Israel
[21:08] <^maxim^> http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16333999
[21:08] <Photon> << is glad rac1 isn’t President 🙂
[21:08] <tHEfED> 300+ cops and firemen are dead…God knows how many people were lost
[21:08] <incog> Israel had Entebbe
[21:08] <Young_Grasshopper> oh, my bad
[21:08] <Suzanne> no death tolls as far as i can see anywhere
[21:08] <Yojimbo> Maybe the Israelis are correct in assasinating the terrorist leaders.
[21:08] <xstanx> wow calif sending in special trained dogs who can smell down 80ft for people who are still alive
[21:08] <Photon> Bush needs a Raid on Entebbe
[21:08] <rac1> i’m serious Photon, and if the likes of Sadam tries to take advatage of situration, imo us will nuke baghdad
[21:08] <incog> those are earthquake dogs
[21:09] <roger2> I don’t understand why someone at the scene can’t give us an idea of how many were still in the buildings when they collapsed..it seems to me they would know if most were out before collapse
[21:09] <Suzanne> oh i dont think we would hesitate in the slightest to bomb iraq if they stepped in and took advantage of this
[21:09] <incog> I suspect a lot of info is being withheld for national security reasons
[21:09] <Suzanne> none at all
[21:09] <tHEfED> roger2 ever been in the towers?
[21:09] <^maxim^> We need to choose our “friends” a bit more carefully..
[21:09] <bork> rac, what don’t you get about nukes. 1 nuke will affect the entire world
[21:09] <Photon> We avoid the use of nuclear weapons for a very good reason… it opens the door for oothers
[21:09] <roger2> yes
[21:09] <rac1> the us will attempt to deal with the situation the way they usually do, with overwhelming strength
[21:09] <winwinajs> rac1 on ignore here – jeeze what an idiot
[21:10] <Yojimbo> Is there any danger of the NYSE burning ? The fires are still going, right?
[21:10] <tHEfED> then u know the size
[21:10] <mk> we bomb Iraq all the time noone pays attention anymore to that
[21:10] <incog> I suspect they may have taken down the Penn plane in self defense and that has been supressed along with the death toll
[21:10] <rac1> uh, we nuked japan didnt we?
[21:10] <bork> yea, 50 years changes a nuke a lot
[21:10] <rac1> now we dont have to worry about the russians coming in, they are sidelined
[21:10] <Young_Grasshopper> rac1, c’mon….
[21:10] <Photon> I think they have a good idea what the death toll is
[21:11] <Photon> an estimate at least
[21:11] <rjc> they dont want to say
[21:11] <ViZieR> anybody knows when the market will be opened?
[21:11] <JayT> Thursday
[21:11] <xstanx> i wonder if a nutron bomb would be the way to go
[21:11] <rjc> the AMEX & NYSE buildings have debris
[21:11] <Photon> Thursday tentatively
[21:11] <kane> I wonder were that 4th plane was going
[21:11] <kane> white house
[21:11] <incog> Jennings breaking down ABC
[21:11] <songw> dc
[21:11] <rjc> camp david they say
[21:12] <rac1> i’m not saying anybody should be nuked, im saying the gvt will seriously consider whether tactical nuclear weapons would be a sufficent deterent
[21:12] <sail> HP down 33%
[21:12] <winwinajs> wasn’t it about 53,000 dead entire Vietnam war?  Has to be near 10,000 today – in one day – God help us
[21:12] <kane> would think the white house
[21:12] <sail> http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft.f+aol.f+dis.f+hwp.f+t.f+pg.f+ibm.f+orcl.f&d=t&m=a
[21:12] <kane> look at the pentagon
[21:12] <gtt> correct win
[21:12] <bushwack> —->wishes he had a buy/sell/bomb keyboard….
[21:12] <Photon> about 50,000 were killed or wounded at Gettysburg
[21:12] <ViZieR> sail, is it HWP ?
[21:12] <tHEfED> NYC skyline wont be the same
[21:12] <Young_Grasshopper> Kane, it could have been Pentagon #2 in Pennsylvania or Camp David (that location is what the networks were speculating)
[21:12] <word> sail…why would hp be down that far?
[21:12] <sail> yeah, sorry
[21:13] <R> I think the day we start deploying nuc bombs is the start of the end of the world
[21:13] <incog> we will rebuild it
[21:13] <rjc> no skyline will be the same
[21:13] <rac1> people, they attacked the pentagon, the head of our military, and they probably meant to attack the white house.. nothig is being ruled out imo
[21:13] <word> hwp where is it down that far?
[21:13] <ViZieR> which market?
[21:13] <kane> can you imagine if it went into the whitehouse
[21:13] <sail> frankfurt
[21:13] <sail> http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft.f+aol.f+dis.f+hwp.f+t.f+pg.f+ibm.f+orcl.f&d=t&m=a
[21:13] <rjc> look for urban corporate sprawl in the future
[21:13] <Yojimbo> They’ll make a park there and rebuild somewhere else.
[21:13] <Young_Grasshopper> in Clancy’s book it hit a joint session of Congress at the Capital
[21:14] <boardsport> they will never rebuild those buildings
[21:14] <Young_Grasshopper> and either way, America will be stringer because of this.
[21:14] <rac1> Grasshopper, we may have dodged an even bigger bullet today
[21:14] <kane> nope
[21:14] <Young_Grasshopper> stronger
[21:14] <tHEfED> they better
[21:14] <rjc> new concepts for architecture in the future
[21:14] <rjc> lower buildings
[21:14] <tHEfED> make just one…but make it twice as tall
[21:14] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, and locked doors in the pilots cabin
[21:15] <rjc> there will never be another tall building imo
[21:15] <bizee> http://www.taner.net/wtc/www.linquist.net/wtc/    lots of pics
[21:15] <xstanx> grrr people laughing and dancing in jerusalem
[21:15] <kane> they will never build those buildings again
[21:15] <JayT> did you guys see the footage CBS aired with the grafic lanuage.  I could help thinking that if they were in this room they would have gotten booted in a heart beat.
[21:15] <Wizski> tHEfED, 2000 feet is about the limit of known materials.
[21:15] <sail> i still think DC and pentagon were the main targets, woulda been A LOT worse
[21:15] <incog> Koppel ABC with London AM headlines
[21:15] * Yogibear101 9:14pm 09/11/01 ISRAEL CLOSES AIR SPACE TO FOREIGN PLANES
[21:15] <xstanx> grrr people laughing and dancing in jerusalem
[21:15] <^maxim^> two of the main symbols of our nation were attacked, Military might: Pentagon and Financial might: WTC
[21:16] <xstanx> jerusalem is our enemy
[21:16] <Young_Grasshopper> you dont want to know that I want to do that lady  that is doing that lalalalala
[21:16] <songw> slow down stan
[21:16] <bucko> norman, gotta love him
[21:16] <Robbin> GO NORMAN!!!!!!
[21:16] <bucko> called them bastards
[21:16] <Young_Grasshopper> that is Fox network fanning the flames…hehehe…I like Fox
[21:17] <prttrdr> Email to Bin “gonnabe” Laden…..Nostradamus didnt have a quatrain for nuclear tipped cruise missiles
[21:17] <xstanx> no songw they are partying
[21:17] *** mik is now known as elly
[21:17] <Yogibear101> bout time to level Mecca?
[21:17] <tami> what station xstanx?
[21:17] <xstanx> handing out candy in the streets
[21:17] <xstanx> fox network
[21:17] <xstanx> that part is done
[21:18] <xstanx> im sure we will see it alot in the next few days
[21:18] <kane> friend of mine gave me this today
[21:18] <JayT> I still feel the same way Susanne discribed.  We might be surprised who really did this
[21:18] <kane> In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb” , “The third big war will begin when the big city is burning” – -Nostradamus 1654
[21:19] <prttrdr> bin laden’s terrorism  for the last 15 years can be summed up in a phrase …”spare the rod   nurture the terrorist”
[21:19] <Robbin>  G’night everyone…remember USA IS the BEST & the STRONGEST together we will overcome this
[21:19] <prttrdr> he shoulda been slammed 10 years ago
[21:19] <JayT> wow, kane
[21:19] <crackerGA> knew it was just a matter of time ’til we saw footage of folks jumping out of windows…..truly horrific
[21:19] <JayT> heavy
[21:19] <bork> kane, it’s BS. not actually from ND.  it was made up to give an example what a preditction might sound like
[21:19] <Mel1> 9:19pm 09/11/01   OSE SUSPENDS FUTURES, OPTIONS TRADING FOR 15 MIN
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[21:20] <Young_Grasshopper> these are some great nostradamus quotes…but what year is on that?
[21:20] <theMAXX> enough of all the nostradamus bs
[21:20] <prttrdr> even nostradamus wouldnt call  nyc the city of god  unless he was so enlightened as to refer to money as the god of the fallen
[21:20] <gtt> amen maxx
[21:20] <songw> we have real enemies—-we shouldn’t pretend that everyone in the world thinks we wear white hats
[21:21] * Yogibear101 9:17pm 09/11/01 JAPAN PM KOIZUMI ADDRESSING NATION LIVE
[21:21] * Yogibear101 9:19pm 09/11/01 OSE SUSPENDS FUTURES, OPTIONS TRADING FOR 15 MIN
[21:21] <JayT> well we can apply historic quotations to everything when you come down to it
[21:21] <prttrdr> dan rather just said pakistan is a nuclear power  OH MAN    this is sad    pakistan couldnt hit arizona with a nuke if it had its vehicles parked in Phoenix
[21:22] <JayT> the fact of the matter is we got hit and hit bad
[21:22] <JayT> and some one is going to pay
[21:22] <incog> right JayT
[21:23] <prttrdr> VIrginia is in a state of emergency
[21:23] <songw> tenn also
[21:23] <Yogibear101> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7BF023FED8%2D1DE5%2D4B77%2D9305%2D60303034D43A%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=1&doctype=2008&property=&value=&categories=&
[21:24] <Yogibear101> I live in VA
[21:24] <word> NADA..is that -22.5 number where us mkt is expected to open?
[21:24] <Clive> what emergency
[21:24] <mk> there is no reason to assume that these attacks are over
[21:24] <Tulsa52> hard facts pointing to bin laden
[21:24] <mk> the plan may be multi-day, multi-resource
[21:24] <^maxim^> sometimes it seems that our world is full of childreen playing with matches inside a fuel tank
[21:25] <word> anyone know what that -22.5 number is above that NADA posted?
[21:25] <prttrdr> rip van clive  go back to your nap
[21:25] <Clive> zzzzzzzz
[21:25] <songw> the world has changed–war’s last a day now
[21:25] <gtt> bin laden is the only the tip of the iceburg
[21:25] <songw> we have to prepare for many to come
[21:25] <bork> bun laden is a PR man. if he was responsible he’s have no problem admiting it
[21:26] <prttrdr> 1.  Make the top twenty terrorist list  2.  Kill them   3. Report the status of the nailage nightly to America
[21:26] <TMaid> vigilance imperative re unmarked packages left anywhere, car bombs etc. things have changed for us forever now.
[21:26] <word> anyone know what that -22.5 number is above that NADA posted?
[21:27] <JayT> did you see that……those planes were fueled for cross country flying…..they were louded bombs when they hit from Boston to New York.
[21:27] * Yogibear101 9/11/2001 9:20:00 PM BOJ says added 2.0 TRILLION YEN CASH TO OPEN MARKET
[21:27] <prttrdr> cellphone guy trapped under wreckage in NYC  called his sister in Philadelphia
[21:27] <prttrdr> told her to tell the rescuers
[21:27] <bork> OMG
[21:27] <prttrdr> they are on it
[21:27] <xstanx> wow a guy called 911 using cell phone saying him and a few cops are stuck under rubble
[21:28] <xstanx> still alive
[21:28] <Wizski> God, I pray they can get to them.
[21:28] *** FullyMargined was kicked by NadaClue (Join Flooding)
[21:28] <sail> gonna be a tough rescue operation
[21:29] <xstanx> yep
[21:29] <sail> have they even put out the fire yet?
[21:29] <xstanx> amazing anyone is still alive
[21:29] <Yojimbo> Be amazing if Anybody comes out of that
[21:30] <Yojimbo> It will take 6 months just to clear the debris
[21:30] <songw> more
[21:31] <pre-cha> NIKKEI 225 INDEX (NKY) 9617.20 -675.75 -6.57% 20:55
[21:31] <rmk> Songw do you know how many stories the rumble is piled up?
[21:31] <Young_Grasshopper> in another chat room…a lady called 911 with her cell phone…she is with three police officers
[21:31] <bork> do a search on ebay for “world trade center” …. terrible
[21:31] <rmk> I saw a 20 story building imploded and the debris was 4 stories high
[21:31] <songw> it looks like 4 stories left
[21:31] <Young_Grasshopper> on the news….she is underneath the rubble
[21:31] <sail> they just said it is a crater
[21:32] <Yojimbo> Isn’t the basement deep?
[21:32] <sail> don’t see how that can be
[21:32] <JayT> what channel are you watching
[21:32] <sail> was on nbc
[21:32] <rmk> 9:32pm -[SNE]- SONY’S STOCKS STAND ASK-ONLY IN MID MORNING IN TOKYO
[21:33] <rmk> hmmmm
[21:33] <sail> switched to local news now
[21:33] <mk> no bid at all?
[21:33] <rac1> wow no bids?
[21:33] <Tulsa52> firefighter killed by someone jumping from the building
[21:33] <matsuokah> i suspect as many local residents as they will allow will go in there to assist in debris removal when the time comes
[21:33] <bork> you see people in palestine rejoycing and a pepsi machine in the backgroud. hows that for bad PR
[21:34] <sail> DJ 21:33 *DJ Key US Oil Ports Shut; Force Majeure To Be Declared
[21:34] <sail> what’s force majeure?
[21:34] <Young_Grasshopper> we should take away all their pepsi….see how they like that
[21:34] <songw> nyc is full of heroic people mats
[21:34] <JayT> by the way, did you see Insona today, with dust all over him. I mean, come on, take the jacket off guy, we’re not impressed
[21:34] <songw> they will all respond
[21:34] <matsuokah> yes
[21:34] <matsuokah> they would be in there tonight if they could
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[21:34] <Wizski> force ma·jeure (fôrs’ mä-zhûr’, fors’)
[21:34] <Wizski> n.
[21:34] <Wizski> Superior or overpowering force.
[21:34] <Wizski> An unexpected or uncontrollable event.
[21:34] <Wizski> [French : force, force + majeure, greater.]
[21:35] <sail> wow
[21:35] <shebesavvy> transkation: asteroid
[21:35] <mk> closing the oil ports mean what price for gas?
[21:35] <gregwmill> Let this day of horrible tragedy be one in which people are reminded of the ultimate cause for such calamity: our sin—our rebellion against God.  Let this day also be a reminder that a loving God, despite our sinfulness, wants us to spend eternity with Him.  And let this day be a reminder that Christians need to stretch forth a loving, comforting arm to those who are in need of comfort and strength at this time—and let’s help them find such
[21:35] <gregwmill> Our hope is in Christ.  As we remember this, please pray for the families that have been affected by these horrible events of today.
[21:35] <mlb> they say so many responding to giving blood, lines long, that they are turning some away
[21:36] <gtt> hmm struct engineer on kcet pbs said most people may have gotten out
[21:36] <tami> the cause of this is our sin and rebellion against god?  huh
[21:37] <Yojimbo> Pentagon still burning…amazing.
[21:37] <Mel1> 9:32pm 09/11/01   [SNE] SONY’S STOCKS STAND ASK-ONLY IN MID MORNING IN TOKYO
[21:37] <mk> that rhetoric sounds just like the ones committing this crime greg
[21:37] <JayT> tami, God could not be that cruel
[21:37] <Minnow> Anybody interested, Amazon has set up an easy way to contribute to the Red Cross.  Go to the main page.
[21:37] <gregwmill> its from aig.org
[21:37] <songw> lets avoid ascribing motives to God
[21:38] <Tulsa52> agreed song
[21:38] * Yogibear101 9:29pm 09/11/01 TSE TO CANCEL TRADING OF FOREIGN STOCKS ON WED.
[21:39] <bucko> DJN: *DJ US Gulf Crude Ops Disrupted By LOOP Closure – Shipowner
[21:39] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 21:39:26)
[21:39] <Mel1> just remember this though….religion and politics creates this kind of crucible
[21:40] <mk> how high will gas prices go?
[21:40] <sail> why would key US oil ports be closed?
[21:40] <Young_Grasshopper>  Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.
[21:41] <Mel1> they’re not…I live in one and it’s not closed
[21:41] <Young_Grasshopper> Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel – like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot
[21:41] <rac1> enough of that cr*p please
[21:41] <sail> DJ 21:33 *DJ Key US Oil Ports Shut; Force Majeure To Be Declared
[21:41] <Wizski> Key being the operative word.
[21:42] <boardsport> force majeure?
[21:42] <sail> right, but why?
[21:42] <Mel1> I work in one of Exxon’s larger refineries and we’re running flat out
[21:42] <FLA334> I think we need to get them and get them fast before the hit a Nuclear power plant some where in the world
[21:42] <Wizski> well, if the blow is to criple the west, a good second round would be to strike strategic oil resources.
[21:42] <rac1> all military/industrial sites no doubt on high security alert
[21:42] <Tulsa52> NSA gonna be busy with this
[21:43] <mflutie> just had a call from a friend of my wifes of 30 years that her husb brother was killed in WTC.. he actually called his wife after the 1st crash to say he was alright than got caught in crash 2 under rubble
[21:43] <Mel1> I also live close to the stategic oil reserve
[21:43] <boardsport> this story is going to be repeated in ten thousand families.  unbelieveable.
[21:43] <JayT> ok , so we have two 110 story buildings lying on the ground, and they are going to look for two black boxes……..how long.
[21:43] <Tulsa52> thats sad mflutie
[21:43] <mflutie> was 40
[21:44] <theMAXX> black boxes have beacons
[21:44] <theMAXX> they can pinpoint them
[21:44] <boardsport> any kids mflutie
[21:44] <JayT> two 110 story buildings
[21:44] <word> i don’t see why they need black boxes anymore
[21:44] <JayT> plus building #7
[21:44] <word> why can’t all info just be beamed to land box
[21:44] <Yojimbo> The two other plane’s boxes may shed some light….and be easier to find.
[21:45] <mflutie> yes   2 kids
[21:45] <Lakay> have they digup those black boxes from the down planes
[21:45] <Yogibear101> Smiths Aerospace builds those boxes
[21:45] <rac1> black boxes not gonna reveal much i think
[21:45] <gregwmill> cbs just reported on 3 of the 4 planes, flight attendants made cell phone calls describing knife attacks
[21:46] <Wizski> hell, the fires aren’t out yet.
[21:46] <Yogibear101> the newer ones record alot more than the older ones
[21:46] <FLA334> World Trade Buildings took 100,000 tons of steel and 200,000 tons of concrete to build
[21:46] <JayT> someone mentioned today about control on the ground. If unauthorized takeover accured, ground control would take over……best idea yet
[21:46] <xstanx> all that jet fuel mixed into the rubble
[21:46] <Yogibear101> I think the fuel had time to burn out
[21:47] <sail> jet fuel = diesel fuel
[21:47] <JayT> no way….we’re talking cross country here
[21:47] <phosdyck> Possible now… Most flights of jets don’t even have pilot landing the aircraft… computers already pilot most flights now
[21:47] <Yogibear101> more like kerosene
[21:47] *** phosdyck is now known as Matt2
[21:47] <Yogibear101> JP-4
[21:47] <sail> diesel not highly flammable
[21:47] <FLA334> jet fuel is 107 octain  evaporates and burns quik
[21:48] <bucko> that flight attendant also supposedly was able to give seat locations of suspected terrorists
[21:48] <Yogibear101> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7B627F09E8%2D027B%2D405F%2D868E%2DE45827D9AFF8%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=2&doctype=2007&property=&value=&categories=&
[21:48] <TRex> wrong on the jet fuel…
[21:48] <JayT> most flammable when an impact has accured
[21:48] <duke1> Jet fuel does not = diesel
[21:48] <TRex> you can put a cig out in it..
[21:48] <StephenB> jet fuel not rated by octane
[21:48] <sail> u can throw a match in a tank of diesel and it’ll extinguish
[21:48] <rac1> like kero
[21:48] <TRex> yes…
[21:48] <Tulsa52> search warrants being executed on ppl in florida
[21:48] <cory> does anyone here have access to westlaw…  please PM me!
[21:48] <Lakay> anyone of u thinking of leaving US for awhile to break away from all these ??
[21:48] <TRex> sail you are correct
[21:48] <theMAXX> actually jet fuel isn’t as flamable as gasoline – correct?
[21:49] <StephenB> correct
[21:49] <duke1> throw a match in desiel it goes out
[21:49] <Udaman> jet fuel is more flammable
[21:49] <rac1> fuel for piston planes is high octane, like auto gas
[21:49] <Udaman> very high octane
[21:49] <TRex> but the heat potential is much more than gasoline…
[21:49] <StephenB> don’t confuse aviation gas with Jet A…much different
[21:49] <JayT> yes
[21:49] <rac1> jet is like kero
[21:49] <sail> i know, I used to weld on diesel fuel tanks WITH the fuel in them
[21:49] * Yogibear101 9:49pm 09/11/01 U.S. BOND MARKET TO BE CLOSED WEDNESDAY
[21:49] <StephenB> av gas used in piston aircraft…THAT iS high octane
[21:49] <Mel1> ok…am checking out the oil terminal thing….I know for a fact that our port is open but am waiting phone call to confirm shutdown of other major terminals…will let ya’ll know when I find out
[21:49] <FLA334> maybe thats it sorry
[21:50] * Yogibear101 9:48pm 09/11/01 SINGAPORE INDEX DIVES 8.4 PERCENT AT OPEN
[21:50] <duke1> I use to fill my hotrod with half jet fuel half unleaded octan + unleaded to lighten it
[21:50] <StephenB> I know people who have burned Jet A in a Mercedes…not exactly the same but it works
[21:50] <cory> could someone with access to westlaw or lexis/nexis please PM me?
[21:50] <JayT> aviation fuel is like a bomb if impact is applied
[21:50] <TRex> high class people burning Jet A in a Mercedes..
[21:50] <mk> I doubt nasdaq opens this week
[21:50] <JayT> and will burn forever
[21:50] <rac1> it burns just the same
[21:50] <StephenB> just don’t ask me what the diff. betw. Jet A and Jet B is
[21:51] <StephenB> cause I don’t know
[21:51] <sail> heating oil no2 same as diesel too
[21:51] <TRex> military uses Jet B
[21:51] <Mel1> I make both jet and aviation fuel and there are many different grades of “aviation fuel”
[21:51] <TRex> Airlines use Jet A
[21:51] <StephenB> yes
[21:51] <JayT> sail, but not like aviation fuel
[21:51] <bobby44> jet fuel high octane
[21:51] <Mel1> there is little heat value between jeta and jet b
[21:51] <TRex> wrong
[21:51] <mflutie> rjc.. a lower bld. didn’t help the Pentagon…if they wanted to destroy,, they would find away.. if not a tall bld,,, could have been into Yankee stadium on a Sunday afternoon,,, or whatever
[21:52] <rac1> er, does it matter
[21:53] <Hatch> .
[21:53] <StephenB> diesel is rated in “cetane” av gas and auto gas rated according to octane…different measures of combustibility in regards to compression, flame propegation etc. I think
[21:53] <FLA334> just burns me that those weirdos are having a party in towel head land over the bombing
[21:53] <rac1> i hope they reply those scenes over and over, so everyone in america sees it
[21:54] <JayT> I just heard Israel just started a war with Palistine or Pakistan or someone, can anyone confirm??????
[21:54] <stockwolf> whats ur source JAYT
[21:54] <DB_Cooper> http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/employee/
[21:54] <JayT> my wife
[21:55] <Wizski> is she reliable?
[21:55] <DB_Cooper> heh
[21:55] <cory> could someone with access to westlaw or lexis/nexis please PM me?
[21:55] <sail> israel sent tanks into a palistine town awhile ago
[21:55] <locust> Jet B is a blend of kerosene and gasoline
[21:55] <Mel1> don’t answer that JayT
[21:55] <JayT> i wont
[21:56] <bobby44> btw, did anyone consider that those celebrating this overseas in west bank are just a small minority ?
[21:56] <theMAXX> likely
[21:56] <rac1> ted david wants to know about the sentiment in tokyo today
[21:56] * Wizski wonders how many americans will refuse to fly with anyone that even closely ressembles a Mid-Easterner.
[21:56] <bucko> rudy telling these weasels not to gouge prices tomorrow
[21:56] <nightly1>  rudy always a champ
[21:56] <sail> if it was a small minority they’d be celebrating quietly in their houses, NOT dancing in the streets
[21:57] <kflaig> !world
[21:57] <mflutie> Wizski …..
[21:57] <matsuokah> you can’t dislike the guy any more than i do, but i give him credit. on a day like this giuliani is the only mayor you’d ever want
[21:57] <Photon> He is a champ
[21:57] <Wizski> hey mflutie.
[21:57] <mflutie> I was agreeing with your last post
[21:58] <Matt2> sail… I tend to agree.  There is widespread support, in all arab countries, palestine,  and Iran.  That is why the Saudi’s have been so fearful of their own people. Bin Laden is against the Saudi’s and Kuwaiti’s as an example.
[21:58] <NadaClue>
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[21:58] <sail> DJ 21:58 *DJ Shiokawa: Tokyo Stock Reaction To Attacks Not Excessive
[21:58] <Wizski> backlash……”Excuse me Stewardess, I would like to leave the plane, I won’t fly with an Arabian on board.”
[21:58] <songw> yes rudy stepping up
[21:59] <FLA334> they’ll be dancing in a few days by the light of burning buildings too
[21:59] <songw> he’s a nyc guy at heart
[21:59] <AV_OUT> NY gov. pataki had some good words this morning
[21:59] <songw> but what a year–dead birds–hilary-cancer-divorce-impotence-wtc
[21:59] <lauf>  test
[21:59] <Mel1> like I said earlier…I always carry my knife and always spot the Arabic looking people when I fly….but I’m a little paranoid anyway
[21:59] <matsuokah> yes, it’s remarkable he’s still standing
[22:00] <songw> even paranoids have real enemies mel
[22:00] <locust> SENATOR HATCH: ‘WE HAVE INTELLIGENCE THAT TWO
[22:00] <locust>                                                                                                     ‘CONNECTED’ TO BIN LADEN SAID OVER PRIVATE AIRWAVES:
[22:00] <locust>                                                                                                     ‘WE HIT TWO TARGETS”…
[22:00] <Suzanne> why is bin laden still breathing then
[22:00] <locust> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010911/aponline202924_000.htm
[22:00] <mflutie> some of my clientsare Iranian, Turkish, etc.. These folks are worried that Americans will backlash against ANYONE of mid east or unknown origins and are thinking of keeping kids out of schools
[22:01] <locust> NSA will get these scumbags
[22:01] <Udaman> not very “private ”
[22:01] <Tulsa52> yes, NSA will have something
[22:01] <rac1> probably shortwave
[22:01] <Mel1> probably a good idea
[22:01] <FLA334> FBI knows it’s Bin Laden  just need to get him with all his cronies partying at the same time
[22:01] <nightly1> gee songw you sound like rudy did little for nyc vs dinkins?
[22:01] <locust> NSA is one organiozation clinton didnt manage to eviscerate
[22:01] <Young_Grasshopper> tell them that have nothing to worry about flutie
[22:01] <shirley> we hit 2 target?
[22:01] <songw> no i’m not cracking on him
[22:01] <bobby44> btw were Las Vegas casino’s closed ?
[22:02] * Yogibear101 9:55pm 09/11/01 U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO CONVENE WED AFTERNOON
[22:02] <Young_Grasshopper> NSA No Such Agency
[22:02] <gtt> bin laden is nothing, his supporters are who we need to get
[22:03] <Wizski> oh whoopie, the UN General Assembly, they should be able to find some way to blame this on America.
[22:03] <rac1> and send us a bill on top of it
[22:03] <Wizski> bin laden = head ot the snake.
[22:03] <Young_Grasshopper> the UN is just a welfare office for 3rd world nations
[22:03] <Yogibear101> didn’t we get booted off some UN commissions?
[22:03] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Nikkei 225 Stock Average At Midday 9773.71, -519.24
[22:03] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 22:01:38)
[22:03] <Young_Grasshopper> yeah, off of human rights
[22:03] <FLA334> they had bin laden on 20/20 2 yrs ago with his 750 or more supporters talking about this time
[22:03] <Udaman> knee jerk market reactions
[22:04] <Wizski> down is down.
[22:04] <locust> has UN had any comments yet ?
[22:04] <bucko> actually better than i expected
[22:04] <Yogibear101> yes
[22:04] <Yogibear101> no UN comment
[22:04] <shirley> we hit 2 targets?
[22:04] <pre-cha> NIKKEI 225 INDEX (NKY) 9728.60 -564.35 -5.48% 21:41
[22:04] <pre-cha> HANG SENG STOCK INDEX (HSI) 9376.28 -1041.08 -9.99% 22:01
[22:04] <pre-cha> ASX ALL ORDINARIES INDX (AS30) 3062.80 -120.40 -3.78% 22:01
[22:04] <pre-cha> SING: STRAITS TIMES INDU (STI) 1478.83 -87.93 -5.61% 22:01
[22:04] <pre-cha> ©2001 Bloomberg L.P. All rights reserved. Terms of Service, Privacy Policy and Trademarks.
[22:04] <Yogibear101> no
[22:04] <Udaman> WTC and the Pentagon
[22:05] <mflutie> or bld 1 & bld 2
[22:05] <Yogibear101> two of our targets got hit
[22:05] <StephenB> UN Sec. General was on tv much earlier today with a statement
[22:05] <Photon> Fed will need to get way in front of the event curve first thing Thursday
[22:05] <Young_Grasshopper> that is my brother’s friend’s father…the chief to the Fire dept
[22:05] <bucko> hatch on a campaign against bin laden tonight
[22:05] <Wizski> they’ll flush the reserves with cash.
[22:06] <Photon> yep
[22:06] <Wizski> hatch on now?
[22:06] <rac1> hatch spewing fire, he is po’d
[22:06] <Wizski> what network?
[22:06] <Photon> Orin ?
[22:06] <Young_Grasshopper> I love to see some CIA operatives just offering big mansions and millions to snitches…
[22:06] <Tulsa52> abc
[22:06] <bucko> baba walters speaking for him
[22:06] <sail> how do the reserves get into the market?
[22:06] <Yojimbo> Any group/faction advocating terrorism, violence should be destroyed, even if it means risking war with the harboring country. If they can do this it’s the same as war anyway.
[22:07] <gtt> ant comments out of china
[22:07] <itchy> Many Utahns are tired of Hatch, wishing he would retire
[22:07] <gtt> any?
[22:07] <Young_Grasshopper> that was a pretty simple and yet clear response from Bush at least
[22:07] <ta> http://finance.yahoo.com/m2
[22:07] <bucko> hatch needs to let the power take care of business
[22:08] <Jones> anybody have the link to WallStarb’s twin tower website?
[22:08] <Yogibear101> Navy ships still pulling out of Norfolk Va base
[22:09] <bucko> abc guy intimating cia knows
[22:09] <Yojimbo> www.tradecenteraftermath.net I think. Maybe twintowersaftermath.net…not sure about the .net either.
[22:09] <ta> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^n225&d=c&k=c4
[22:09] <Yogibear101> Marine amphib landing ship just left
[22:10] <locust> Putin Urges Retaliation http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/11/203534.shtml
[22:10] <Tulsa52> an act of war
[22:10] <Yogibear101> Time for PAYBACK
[22:10] <FLA334> Russia’s president has rushed to President Bush’s side in
[22:10] <FLA334>                    America’s moment of terrorist assault, expressing “indignation and
[22:10] <FLA334>                    revolt,” urging a punishing response.
[22:10] <Yogibear101> and we all know that’s a B
[22:10] <Wizski> sail…. if the Fed takes action, it will be here…..http://biz.yahoo.com/n/z/z0003.html
[22:11] <JayT> boy i hate to say this but i’ll tell you, did the news syndicates need this or what…..or maybe the economy, or maybe the market, i dont know. Said day no matter how you look at it.
[22:11] <BudFoxx> whats the symbol for the Nikkei??
[22:11] <Yogibear101> my buddies daughter is a nurse in the Army, works in DC
[22:12] <Yogibear101> she got called in today, the hospital was full
[22:12] <cory> could someone with access to westlaw or lexis/nexis please PM me?
[22:12] <StephenB> for Jones:
[22:12] <StephenB> [14:01] <WallStArb> I will be creating a website for people to post updates on conditions and locations of people affected.  It will be at www.worldtradeaftermath.com and should be online tomorrow.  I may end up all night working on it.  For now, I have some pictures and info on people I know being ok on my personal
[22:12] <StephenB> [14:01] <WallStArb> homepage: http://johnhaller.com/jh/terrorist/
[22:12] <Young_Grasshopper> Cohen is already talking about taking civil liberties away
[22:12] <Wizski> ]^n225
[22:12] <sail> thx wiz
[22:12] <lauf> NYC skyline just is not the same, an it never will be
[22:12] <Yojimbo> There’s no way you can pay back for this, even if you destroyed all of Afghanistan.
[22:12] <Yogibear101> ]q ^n255
[22:12] <NadaClue>
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[22:12] <Yogibear101> format wiz
[22:12] <Wizski> aaak.
[22:13] <Wizski> ]q ^n225
[22:13] <NadaClue>
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[22:13] <Suzanne> thats out of context a bit StephenB, thats not wallys website but a associate of his in nyc
[22:13] <Suzanne> fyi
[22:13] <Yogibear101> http://www.bloomberg.com/au/markets/index.html
[22:13] <R> I almost feel guilty owning a fuel cell stock, feels like I am gonna profit from peoples suffering,  vowed never to trdae LOCK again a few years ago, but ownning this seems worse 🙁
[22:13] <StephenB> sorry
[22:13] <crackerGA> build it back and build it bigger
[22:13] <Suzanne> n/p
[22:13] <prttrdr> – 600  looks ugly even if it is in japanese money
[22:13] <Stox> ]q ^N225
[22:13] <NadaClue>
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[22:13] <Suzanne> he pasted it to #at from an email
[22:13] <wes> not much is worse than owning lock 😉
[22:14] <prttrdr> look  how did these people go from desert and wasteland sheep and goat herders to mass murderers   what is up with that
[22:14] <prttrdr> geez
[22:14] <codeblue_log>  nikkei crossed below DJ
[22:14] *** Guest09089 is now known as birdman
[22:14] <Yogibear101> http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?mnu=news&ptitle=Top%20Financial%20News&tp=ad_fin&T=au_storypage99.ht&s=AO56p8hZYV2VzdGZp
[22:15] <prttrdr> two generations ago  these guys would be happy to have a good harvest of dates and a flow of water at the oasis
[22:15] <Yojimbo> 265 firefighters, 80 police missing.
[22:15] <Udaman> zealots prttrdr
[22:15] <rac1> all those dead ems people, man
[22:15] <bucko> DJN: DJ Key US Oil Port Closures-2: Force Majeure To Be Declared
[22:15] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 22:14:27)
[22:15] <bucko>   SINGAPORE (DOW JONES)–Oil loading and offloading activities have been
[22:15] <bucko> disrupted by the closure of key U.S. oil terminals on the West Coast as well
[22:15] <bucko> as Louisiana Offshore Oil Platform, shipping sources said Wednesday.
[22:15] <bucko>   The closure of the LOOP implies that the inflow of crude on very large crude
[22:15] <bucko> carriers will be crippled for an indefinite period of time, a shipowner
[22:15] <bucko> said.
[22:15] <bucko>   The closure of L.A., San Francisco and Long Beach ports will also disrupt
[22:15] <bucko> oil cargoes from being loaded and offloaded, sources said.
[22:15] <prttrdr> now they are coordinating jet planes to salm into sky scrapers
[22:15] <prttrdr> slam
[22:16] <Photon> Why are they closing those ports ?
[22:16] <Photon> Military should defend them
[22:16] <bucko>   The Fed’s promise to supply additional money to the banking system was
[22:16] <bucko> similar to a pledge it issued on the morning after the October 1987 stock
[22:16] <bucko> market crash. That action, only two months into Alan Greenspan’s tenure as
[22:16] <bucko> chairman, was credited with keeping the economy out of recession.
[22:17] <TRex> oxymoron=airport security
[22:17] <BudFoxx> my friend worked in the WTC
[22:17] <Wizski> Military cannot defend against Zealots with plastic knifes who are on suicide mission.
[22:17] <bucko> hatch on abc now
[22:17] <Mel1> we’re not closed here yet bucko but waiting on a call on the others u mention
[22:18] <BudFoxx> he got lucky and went to work late
[22:18] <FLA334> ABC  Hatch is on
[22:18] <TRex> cell phone guns, maybe…
[22:18] <Wolfwood> this will cause all US flights to have guards I bet
[22:18] <BudFoxx> ]n225
[22:18] <TRex> This will cause me to retire…  I’m an airline pilot…
[22:19] <bucko> litlle cat fight on abc
[22:19] <FLA334> Hacth is hot ….
[22:19] <Udaman> heck….I went with a friend from Nashville to Chicago and forgot I had thrown a knife in my briefcase after a gun show…went right thru security and a metal detector
[22:19] <ta> http://finance.yahoo.com/m5?a=1&s=USD&t=JPY
[22:19] <Matt2> What if we all had right to carry on aircraft…
[22:19] <Yojimbo> Best solution Israel may already have found…hunt them down and assasinate them where they live before they can plan anything.
[22:19] <TRex> good one Udaman…
[22:19] <BudFoxx> ]q ^N225
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[22:19] <JoMi> caan carry up to a 4 inch knife legally
[22:19] <Udaman> found it when I was unpacking in Chicago
[22:19] <BudFoxx> Nikkei bouncing back
[22:19] <TRex> they hassle the airline crews more than they do the traveling public…
[22:20] <Matt2> Yojimbo… the Soviets used that technique with precision and quite successfully in ’79
[22:20] <Udaman> not a switchblade you can’t  🙂
[22:20] <Wizski> really TRex?
[22:20] <TRex> yessir
[22:20] <joelm1> JoMi, they used packing (box) knives
[22:20] <JoMi> whatever works
[22:20] <Young_Grasshopper> I am glad Putin is not a wussy…
[22:20] <Mel1> I’m a little suspicious of politicians who fan the flames….I prefer the quote “vengence is best served cold”
[22:20] <JoMi> so ban packing boxes
[22:21] <ta> http://finance.yahoo.com/m5?a=1&s=USD&t=JPY
[22:21] <TRex> They love to give us the “full treatment” — aviation security…
[22:21] <Wizski> seriously, think about this, you take away their weapons, they’ll learn how to kill with their bare hands.
[22:21] <Matt2> Yes…
[22:21] <StephenB> revenge is a dish best served cold…. forgive me, I think it is a made up Klingon statement from Star Trek…maybe somebody real said it first
[22:21] <TRex> sometimes I insist on a full cavity search…
[22:21] <Matt2> Wizski is correct… a weopon is in the eye of the beholder…
[22:21] <Wizski> Fatalistic blow to terrorism is what is needed. A Force Majeure.
[22:21] <TRex> especially after a five mile run…
[22:21] <bucko> i take my chances when they have no weapons
[22:22] <Mel1> their bare hands can’t compete with Mel’s knife
[22:22] <Matt2> StephenB… you are right on that quote
[22:22] <Young_Grasshopper> hehehehe
[22:22] <JoMi> Wiz – got an idea how to serve that and where?
[22:22] <StephenB> from Star Trek II —  The Wrath of Khan
[22:22] <Young_Grasshopper> Mel1, you can be my wing-man any day
[22:22] <jj> sorry, just coming into discussion… what is general consensus? bail out of market when it reopens or wait this one out?
[22:22] <Young_Grasshopper> 😉
[22:22] <Wizski> Not that I would tell you about before hand, no.
[22:22] <StephenB> just before Recardo sets off the Genesis Device
[22:22] <Mel1> lol
[22:22] <Matt2> Sounds like Khan Nunian Singh
[22:22] <locust> when a Russian official was kidnapped in Lebanon the Russians sent the head of the leader’s cousin to him in a box   they let the Russian official go
[22:23] <Matt2> Locust, exactly…
[22:23] <Mel1> it’s a fact
[22:23] <Yojimbo> These people always invent a name for their group, and state a purpose and action. As soon as they advocate terrorism, we should hunt them down anywhere and arrest or destroy them all.
[22:23] <locust> that’s how you deal with these people
[22:23] <ta> http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010911/t14781_1.html
[22:23] <TRex> Osama wants to buy low and sell high, just like all the rest of us…
[22:23] <bucko> DJN: DJ Key US Oil Port Closures -3: Cargoes Held At Sea
[22:23] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 22:23:41)
[22:23] <Young_Grasshopper> the old mafia foreign policy
[22:23] <Matt2> Actually, I believe they killed several people (officials) surgically over a few days
[22:23] <Matt2> Scared the Sh*t out of the terrorists
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[22:24] <locust> yup matt  fight terror with greater terror
[22:24] <locust> cant be squeamish when it comes to these people
[22:24] <BudFoxx> thats a war then
[22:24] <Young_Grasshopper> I like Reagan killing Qudafi’s family
[22:24] <Young_Grasshopper> personal favorite
[22:24] <locust> yeah reagan had it down
[22:24] <JayT> Guys, and girls, thank God whe’re all here talking about this and lets hope that there arnt any nikes in this room that have suffered and we wont see. Who knows, thats how close this was, shocking isn’t it. Just a stunning thought.
[22:24] <locust> dropp some 1000lbers outside their fornt door
[22:25] <Yogibear101> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7B930EA003%2D2DD2%2D4595%2DA498%2DC58AAF21C233%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=1&doctype=2008&property=&value=&categories=&
[22:25] <StephenB> give us a bonafide target
[22:25] <BudFoxx> ]q ^N225
[22:25] <NadaClue>
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[22:25] <Wizski> hint, it has lots of sand.
[22:25] <Yogibear101> soon to be glass
[22:25] <Young_Grasshopper> you know what happens to sand with some of the missiles we have…
[22:26] <locust> they’re all bonafide targets – no innocent in any of these organizations or amongst their supporters
[22:26] <Young_Grasshopper> glass cities baby
[22:26] <xstanx> how about he is hiding within a 500 square mile area
[22:26] <FLA334> I would tell Bin Laden we found out is was a US terrorist and he’s off the hook  3 weeks later bomb him
[22:26] <xstanx> thats a target
[22:26] <Yogibear101> he opened his mouth
[22:26] <jj> so what is the prevailing attitude amongst you chatters (with unbridled commentary on today’s events and analagous Star Trek themes) about the financial markets, are y’all gonna bail on opening day?
[22:27] <Yojimbo> Send in a search & destroy team.
[22:27] <StephenB> about how old is Bin Laden?
[22:27] <FLA334> he was born in 57
[22:27] <Matt2> Old enough to sanction
[22:27] <JayT> FLA334, you must be Italian
[22:27] <incognito> bin laden on ABC now, he looks clinically insane.
[22:27] <StephenB> young enough to be around a while unless we do something
[22:27] <Stox> soon he will not be getting any older
[22:27] <Doc_Holiday> speaking incog?
[22:27] <FLA334> nope German Irish
[22:27] <JayT> ok
[22:27] <Doc_Holiday> or just a pic?
[22:27] <incognito> bin laden looks mad as a hatter
[22:28] <incognito> was on breifly
[22:28] <incognito> probably tape
[22:28] <Young_Grasshopper> I think super tanker America will keep on trucking…the potential of America is far greater than what we got now…this is a way to unite us
[22:28] <Wizski> tape from 3 weeks ago.
[22:28] <Doc_Holiday> What did he say?
[22:28] <xstanx> ladin needs a hair cut
[22:28] <incognito> didn’t hear, I have multiple sets on
[22:28] <FLA334> I agrea with Grass hopper
[22:28] <Doc_Holiday> Has he denied this event?
[22:28] <Wolfwood> CBS news reporting 2 people with explosives in a truck under GW bridge arrested
[22:28] <Yogibear101> a tomahawk haircut
[22:28] <xstanx> little radiation would take care of the hair problem
[22:28] <JayT> incog, multiple sets???
[22:28] <DB_Cooper> heh xstan
[22:28] <Wizski> He was saying in the coming weeks, American and Isreili interests would be targets. ( Paraphrasing a bit.)
[22:28] <locust> speaking of supertankers  where’s abby cohen ?
[22:29] <xstanx> : )
[22:29] <incognito> WPIX and ABC on two different TVs
[22:29] <Yojimbo> Really, GW Bridge?
[22:29] <jj> so how about that new Britney Spears video? oops I forgot this was financial chat room (apparently everybody else has too.)
[22:29] <Wolfwood> ya Rather just reported it
[22:29] <Doc_Holiday> leave jp
[22:29] <Young_Grasshopper> some people are trying to be funny in here…hehehehehe
[22:29] <locust> 800 ?
[22:29] <StephenB> http://www.adl.org/presrele/terrorismintl_93/bin_laden_93.asp  Bin Laden bio piece, written in 1998
[22:29] <locust> 800 dead at pentagon ?
[22:29] <bucko> DJN: *DJ 100-800 Persons Missing At Pentagon – CNN
[22:29] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 22:30:50)
[22:30] <bucko> DJN: *DJ NY Mayor Says Some People Alive In World Trade Center
[22:30] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 22:28:32)
[22:30] <Young_Grasshopper> Do you realize laden is one of 50 siblings…?
[22:30] <bucko> yes
[22:30] <bucko> like number 18 or so
[22:30] <Young_Grasshopper> here is why:
[22:30] <incognito> darn the gene pool is polutted then
[22:30] <Young_Grasshopper> If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice
[22:30] <Wizski> He is from a big litter.
[22:30] <xstanx> yg take them all out
[22:31] <prttrdr> those arabs have concubines like rabbits and dogs
[22:31] * Yogibear101 10:26pm 09/11/01 EXPLOSIVES FOUND UNDER G.W. BRIDGE–CBS NEWS
[22:31] <jj> Doc, I will gladly leave… maybe I can find some enlightenment or pertinent chat in the Monster Truck chat room
[22:31] <bucko> DJN: *DJ Up to 800 Killed At Pentagon – CNN
[22:31] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 22:32:28)
[22:31] *** jj was kicked by Wizski (Let me help then.)
[22:31] <locust> if there’s anyine that knows Bin Laden’s whereabouts it has to be the Saudis – we need to put the screws to them
[22:31] <xstanx> lol
[22:31] <Young_Grasshopper> I personally like the parts of the Quran that talk about women as property…Not!   Religion…aint it fun?
[22:32] <DB_Cooper> SIDE KICK !
[22:32] <duke1> 🙂
[22:32] <xstanx> good one wiz
[22:32] <FLA334> I didn’t even know they had a Monster Truck chat
[22:32] <Yogibear101> 10:31pm 09/11/01  Police arrests 2 men for explosives By Allen Wan
[22:32] <Yogibear101> Police arrested two men for carrying a truck full of explosive destined for the George Washington Bridge in upper Manhattan/Bronx, CBS News reported.
[22:32] <Wizski> jj is an op there probably.
[22:32] * Suzanne sighs
[22:32] <Young_Grasshopper> wow, truck-bomb
[22:32] <bucko> thats scary, round 2 of attack on ground
[22:32] <xstanx> kewl yogi
[22:32] <rac1> odds are good other conspirators are still in us, doing who knows what
[22:33] <R> don’t like saying it, but perhaps they should use torture to get these guys to admit who they are working for
[22:33] <xstanx> r yep
[22:33] <Suzanne> that news isnt on CBS yet yogi
[22:33] <Mel1> I don’t know bout the rest of ya’ll but I got out today to gas the truck up etc and everywhere I went I smelled panic in varying degrees
[22:33] <R> but I guess that is stooping to their level
[22:33] <Young_Grasshopper> I heard the same Yogi
[22:33] <xstanx> r soooo
[22:33] <rerun> what is Bin Ladin’s first name?
[22:33] <Lakay> triple witching this coming friday ??
[22:33] <Yogibear101> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?dateid=37145.9386226852-788814488&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806&
[22:33] <Doc_Holiday> Osama
[22:33] <JoMi> Osama
[22:33] <TVLTECH> Osama
[22:33] <xstanx> whatever it takes R
[22:33] <prttrdr> i was thinking earlier  that if i was an evil terrorist rat bastid from hell    i would follow up with more terror after the eastern seaboard went to a sleep in a false sense of security
[22:33] <Suzanne> rerun: http://www.abcnews.com/sections/world/DailyNews/terrormain980610.html
[22:33] <rerun> thnx
[22:33] <Suzanne> know your enemy
[22:34] <rerun> agree
[22:34] <nemesis> lots of people won’t be sleeping tonight
[22:34] <Wizski> sail, now we seeing why the ports are closing, bombs under bridges, this apparently still has a bit of play.
[22:34] <JayT> Suzanne…an old Italian saying……keep your enemies close
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[22:34] <rerun> i say someone buys the right to www.osamabinladen.com and use it to trash him
[22:34] <xstanx> if ya cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen, we didnt wrie the rules but we better know how to play the game
[22:34] <Mel1> did anyone else smell the panic today when they were out and about ?
[22:35] <TVLTECH> especially Bin laden
[22:35] <incognito> didn’t leave the house today, was too upset
[22:35] <Matt2> www.osamabinladenisasissyboy.com?
[22:35] <Matt2> Noooo.
[22:35] <locust> smelled anger and demand for retaliation not fear
[22:35] <TVLTECH> agree locust
[22:35] <Wizski> no panic in central Florida, just huge amount of grief for the victums and families.
[22:35] <rac1> people i talked to all pretty sad, fearful
[22:36] <FLA334> Wizski you in Tampa
[22:36] <Doc_Holiday> [22:37] <JayT> Suzanne…an old Italian saying……keep your enemies close—-Correction “Keep your friends close, but your enemys closer”
[22:36] <Wizski> www.osamabinladenisagirlyman.com
[22:36] <incognito> funny my CPA called today and we chatted briefly how terrible the terrorism was.
[22:36] <Suzanne> fear i alot of small towns i bet, i know it is here, i went to the store a few ago
[22:36] <Wizski> Yeah, Tampa.
[22:36] <sail> lol wiz
[22:36] <voltaire> so I am getting unconfirmed reports that gas may go up $8 / gallon tommorrow?
[22:36] <Suzanne> and theres lines of ppl with tanks and gas cans at the tanks
[22:36] <FLA334> Clearwater here
[22:36] <Mel1> maybe panic is too strong but definetly fear…I could see it in their eyes and feel it amongst them
[22:36] <TVLTECH> my CPA is among the missing at WTC
[22:37] <BullTrain> 10:35pm 09/11/01  Mounting oil risks to U.S. reaction? By August Cole
[22:37] <BullTrain> London’s Control Risk Group says there could be an adverse reaction by oil producing nations Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lybia and Saudi Arabia should the U.S. retaliate in response to Tuesday’s terrorist attacks, reports Dow Jones. As well, this sort of action might keep oil tankers from sailing to the Middle East, Dow Jones said traders noted. However, OPEC has been clear it will keep up with the supply of oil. Brent crude oil prices in London
[22:37] <BullTrain> trading topped $30 a barrel after the attacks in Tuesday trading. Nymex oil futures are expected to hit that level, said Phil Flynn of Alaron.com, when trading does resume.
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[22:37] <taLuis> the comments from a radio commentator was insightful, I thought. He said America is not angry so much as fearful. You could tell it from the commentators, the President’s speech, and people loading up the gas tank and on groceries. Oh sure, America will eventually turn fear into anger, but not now
[22:37] <Mel1> exactly ta
[22:37] <Wizski> how’s the counting lessions going in Clearwater Fla334.?
[22:38] <xstanx> with holding oil to hurt the usa should be an act of war imo
[22:38] <Hatch> <===turned to anger 12+ hours ago
[22:38] <Matt2> lesion or lesson Wiz?
[22:38] <Matt2> xstanx… agree
[22:38] <Wizski> spelling too next week Matt2.
[22:38] <Matt2> 😉
[22:38] <Mel1> Dan Rather is still on tv
[22:38] <StephenB> no country going to do that…they’re all behind us, at least officially
[22:39] <Matt2> Mel1… that is one of the insidious parts of this…
[22:39] <JayT> Well as good ole’ Red Skelton would say…..”Good nite and God Bless”
[22:39] <StephenB> I suppose bin laden could bomb oil facilities to get his way though
[22:39] <Cha-ching> they caught a truck full of explosives and two people at the George Washington Bridge
[22:39] <Matt2> JayT… g’nite
[22:39] <locust> SEC should prohibit any new shorting by all market participants due to this crisis – no need for the vultures to enrich themselves off of Blood Money
[22:39] <xstanx> these oil countries should beaware we will declare war if they stop oil production to us
[22:39] <FLA334> we should have tracked him down 2 yrs ago  we better no let him get away this time
[22:39] <FLA334> him and his kin folk
[22:40] <rac1> shorts been working this market over big time already
[22:40] <taLuis> More from the commentator: America is a country of MTV, not reality. In fact, people watching the news footage compared it to some movie they’ve watched. The rest of the world lives with the reality of terrorist attacks. America is just catching up…
[22:40] <nemesis> i cannot understand this, if the hijackers had only knives and blades how could they seize the planes???
[22:40] <double_odds> FLA, I don’t think he will…this time
[22:40] <Matt2> xstanx… would that be any different from shorting on other hideous event, like going long on  gun lock companies after high school shootings
[22:40] <Craft>       no telling how deep this goes
[22:41] <xstanx> not the same matt
[22:41] <Doc_Holiday> I assume that pilots dont have ANY weapons
[22:41] <Matt2> nemesis… a few fit men, with weapons? a zip gun?
[22:41] <Lakay> i’ll blamed our CIA for not doing good job of gathering info, especially when they gave warning couple weeks ago just imo
[22:41] <Doc_Holiday> so knives beat nothing
[22:41] <voltaire> hey nem, agreed i guess if they new what was going to happen they would have jumped them in numbers.
[22:41] <locust> law abiding passengers had nothing !  that’s how
[22:41] <sail> americans are indoctrinated not resist any armed aggressors
[22:41] * JoMi glances at old Y2K supplies in the corner
[22:41] <Young_Grasshopper> Well, America caught up and is int the lead, TA Louis in one day
[22:41] <Young_Grasshopper> jeeze
[22:41] <rac1> first the pilot has to fly the plane
[22:41] <Cha-ching> They almost blew up the GW bridge
[22:41] <StephenB> agreed locust
[22:41] <StephenB> and the thugs know it
[22:41] <FLA334> out of 50 people at my work everyone was serious  but sure enough the one 21 yr old kid was laughing about it like it was a movie
[22:41] <Young_Grasshopper> so, were they just tryng to blow up a bridge?
[22:42] <Craft> what ever happen to yhe days when men were men
[22:42] <Cha-ching> yes
[22:42] <rac1> hijackings dont usually end like this
[22:42] <locust> exactly stephen
[22:42] <Tulsa52> death est.    800 dead at pentgon
[22:42] <Young_Grasshopper> some people react differently…
[22:42] * Doc_Holiday is 22
[22:42] <nemesis> c’mon 60+ people should offer some resistance
[22:42] <Matt2> Craft… it died when libs sissified america
[22:42] <Cha-ching> They caught two
[22:42] * Doc_Holiday is not laughing
[22:42] <locust> klintoon eviscerated the military/intelligence community all the while building up the Chinese
[22:42] <FLA334> just didn’t seem like a time to be laughing to me
[22:42] <bucko> nemesis, what if there were 5 hijackers, what if they just started stabbing people, what if
[22:43] <Matt2> bucko… agree
[22:43] <rmk> 10:31pm 09/11/01  Police arrests 2 men for explosives By Allen Wan
[22:43] <rmk> Police have narrowly averted another catastrophe, arresting two men for carrying a truck full of explosives destined for the George Washington Bridge in upper Manhattan/Bronx, WCBS-Channel 2 News reported. The report said that the men had enough explosives to blow up the bridge and its occupants if they were detonated. The suspects were arrested in the Meadowlands in New Jersey. New York City is currently under a state of emergency and police ar
[22:43] <bucko> they had a death wish, i doubt they were calmly asking people to step aside
[22:43] <Craft> some things are worth dieing for.
[22:43] <Yogibear101> http://forum.ino.com/?id=398123
[22:43] <Wizski> 2 stewardess’s were stabbed and one passenger is what I heard earlier, maybe the rest decided to not cross over the dead bodies.
[22:43] <Mel1> Matt….I’m a liberal with more scars than u’ll ever have so blow it out you know where
[22:43] <double_odds> not too many hero’s on flights these days
[22:43] <StephenB> story I read once of some woman watching people get mowed down at some DC(?) restaurant once, she had a gun but could do nothing cause see had to leave it home  dont know exactly where i read that
[22:44] <rac1> if your piloting a plane and some nut has a knife to your throat, who or what is gonna stop you
[22:44] <bucko> also at the time , they had no clue the loonies were going to ram the jet into a building
[22:44] <nemesis> voltaire, bucko: yeah intimdation works well and if they did not realize the consequence they didn’t try to resist
[22:44] <trendline> quit
[22:44] <FLA334> the people arrested any nationality mentioned
[22:44] <Matt2> Mel1… was only partially serious, regarding the left leaning polititians who don’t want kids playing dodge ball, so they don’t hurt themselves
[22:44] <Doc_Holiday> Why wouldnt you just crash the plane into the Atlantic…knowing that you are going to die either way
[22:44] <lynn> what if cockpits were armour protected and there was an armed guard undercover on each flight
[22:44] <double_odds> not yet
[22:44] <StephenB> because you want to KILL people doc
[22:44] <rac1> somebody was reporting that one pilot was told do what we say and you wont get hurt.. think that was the pa plane
[22:45] <StephenB> lots of em
[22:45] <gtt> thers a black rock cube in mecca
[22:45] <Craft> i hope we see more cowboys in the friendly skies
[22:45] <Doc_Holiday> That is my point
[22:45] <bucko> because i doubt the pilots were flying the planes
[22:45] <Matt2> Mel1… the libs have, indeed, decimated our intelligence community and military over the years.
[22:45] <Cha-ching> they need see through bullet proof glass in the cockpits
[22:45] <lauf> im tired
[22:45] <tami> i suspect that’s what happened to the plane in PA, Doc_Holiday
[22:45] <StephenB> the real pilots were not there at the controls
[22:45] <gtt> i want a chunk
[22:45] <Doc_Holiday> That american pilots werent flying the plane
[22:45] <tami> maybe a struggle
[22:45] <Mel1> Matt…we don’t need to be blaming each other….we need to come together so quit with the blame rhetoric
[22:45] <lynn> cabbies get better protection
[22:45] <Doc_Holiday> [22:48] <Matt2> Mel1… the libs have, indeed, decimated our intelligence community and military over the years.
[22:45] <Doc_Holiday> come on
[22:46] <Matt2> I am not blaming you… just a set of politians, which cross political lines
[22:46] <Mel1> I want some revenge
[22:46] <taLuis> why are not Israel airlines hijacked these days? In fact, they haven’t been hijacked for years
[22:46] <FLA334> i thought the attendent said they shot the pilot in the head
[22:46] <locust> mel1 – the truth is the truth – liberals dont wnat to hear the truth they prefer their PC fairy tale
[22:46] <lynn> well if the pilots were protected, the terrorists wouldn’t have gotten in the cockpit
[22:46] <Wizski> we haven’t had a Hijacking in 10 years.
[22:46] <dutch> better security?
[22:46] <R> Good night all…..my prayers are with you all….sorry for anyones losses  🙁   …bye
[22:46] <Craft> may be the cock pit should not be accessable
[22:46] <StephenB> I haven’t heard of any guns FLA334…just knives
[22:46] <rmk> no…..they didnt have guns….and considering what they did have, I now see how easily they got through security
[22:46] <Doc_Holiday> Regan had alot to do with decreasing the spys across the world
[22:46] <Doc_Holiday> So did Bush
[22:46] <xstanx> all political parties took turns tearing apart our military system
[22:46] <lynn> plastic knives get thru security
[22:47] <Matt2> all three calls only mentioned plastic knives, I believe…
[22:47] <lauf> Cockpit not being accessable sounds like a great idea
[22:47] <rmk> No……they had box cutter – razor knives
[22:47] * Yogibear101 10:47pm 09/11/01 MALAYSIA’S PETRONAS TOWERS EVACUATED AFTER BOMB THREAT
[22:47] <Matt2> xstanx: I agree: <Matt2> I am not blaming you… just a set of politians, which cross political lines
[22:47] <taLuis> Israeli airlines are not hijacked because they have armed guards in the planes, and have intense, intimidating security checks before loading the plane
[22:47] <rmk> you have holder in 1 place…..a box of razors in another, security doesnt think twice
[22:47] <Mel1> so enuff with the political swipes at everyone here please
[22:47] <rmk> put together on plane….razor knives
[22:47] <taLuis> armed guards with machine guns, I understand
[22:47] <rmk> simple
[22:47] <StephenB> exactly ta…thugs know they’ll meet armed resistance…more than the thugs today encountered
[22:47] <lauf> why do terrorists always use planes?
[22:48] <locust> ceramic blades http://store.knifecenter.com/pgi-CustomListProducts?Ceramic%20Blade%20Knives,2,157,=,kitchen,&,160,=,ceramic
[22:48] <Wizski> it’s a flying bomb.
[22:48] <Matt2> Because they are big and make big booms
[22:48] <rac1> wouldnt make much diff if guys were unarmed, disabling violent persons in closed confines of aircraft flying at high
[22:48] <rac1> altitude is very tough
[22:48] <Photon> Most contries have heavily armed guards at airports
[22:48] <StephenB> plane can go anywhere you point it real fast too….trains carry lots of fuel, but what’s the point?
[22:48] <Matt2> Yep
[22:48] <rac1> airlines have tough time just dealing with flying drunks
[22:48] <gtt> most countries guard their borders
[22:48] <TheWallzz> Just heard 800 dead in Pentagon! Sheesh. According to CNBC, just got the info.
[22:49] <Tulsa52> death est.    800 dead at pentgon
[22:49] <locust> 800 pentagon ?  wow  major hit   military will be out for blood now
[22:49] <TheWallzz> This is SICK!
[22:49] <dabb> thought it was anywhere from 100 to 800, not 800
[22:49] <xstanx> i heard 100 to 800
[22:49] <lauf> did something happen at the GW bridge?
[22:49] <locust> brokaw says 800
[22:49] <TheWallzz> What about NY ? 10.000 ?
[22:49] <sail> nbc just reported 800
[22:49] <Tulsa52> abc said 800 estimate
[22:49] <Matt2> pentagon estimate is 800 so far
[22:49] <voltaire> truck w/ explosives  and 2 terrorists caught at GW bridge
[22:50] <bucko> The Los Angeles staff, who then put the call on its in-house public-address
[22:50] <bucko> system, heard a colleague in the New York office say, “I think a plane just
[22:50] <bucko> hit us.”
[22:50] <bucko>   While the phone call continued to be broadcast over the entire Los Angeles
[22:50] <bucko> office, the New York office began filling with smoke and people began
[22:50] <bucko> screaming. “Somebody’s got to help us…We can’t get out…The place is
[22:50] <bucko> filling with smoke,” a person in the New York office was heard to say.
[22:50] <Matt2> Let’s outlaw trucks
[22:50] <locust> torture those SOBs til they talk
[22:50] <sail> imo 20-30000 in nyc
[22:50] <incognito> WPIX doing story on childrens needs during crises
[22:50] <locust> no mercy
[22:50] <TheWallzz> 30.000 ? No way.
[22:50] <voltaire> lets out law bridges
[22:50] <dabb> 10:50pm 09/11/01   FBI SEEKS SEARCH WARRANTS IN FLA. — CNN
[22:50] <lauf> now thw bridge?
[22:50] <voltaire> they caught ’em in time.
[22:50] <locust> ACLU will be out in droves to defend this trash’
[22:50] <lynn> sail i am hearing that too
[22:50] <Matt2> 10k employees / building, 5k tourists…. could be 20 or 30 k
[22:50] <StephenB> wtc employs about 50k people…of course some got out and others hadn’t even got there yet, but it’s gonna be high
[22:51] <bucko> they don’t need no stinking search warrents
[22:51] <double_odds> estimates of 10K in the wtc towers
[22:51] <lynn> if we have lost 10,000-30,000 people…a major wake up call
[22:51] <matsuokah> nyc police commissioner not confirming gwb van explosive story
[22:51] <xstanx> 100 is a wake up call
[22:51] <Matt2> Actually, since FDR, no search warrants needed, since his state of national emergency was never lifted.  Fed can do whatever they want.
[22:52] <FLA334> i think we lost 58,000 in viet nam yes?
[22:52] <TheWallzz> I think NY might be 10.000, but NOT 30.000, Pentagon #´s very high I think.
[22:52] <incognito> the second building which was hit last fell first, dont think there was much time to get out.
[22:52] <Matt2> lost 50k in battle of gettysburg… 2 or 3 days…
[22:52] <BullTrain> incognito, you are correct
[22:52] <Yojimbo> They evacuated both buildings when the first was hit
[22:52] <locust> bloodiest single day was 22000 dead at Antietam
[22:52] <lauf> my brother was on the 60th floor of that building and he did get out fine
[22:52] <lauf> took him 45 mins
[22:52] <StephenB> hopefully the 2nd tower to get hit, but first to fall started evac as soon as the FIRST plane hit the other tower
[22:52] <lauf> right Yojimbo
[22:52] <double_odds> wallzz, prolly 15K wtc plus rescue workers and plane passengers
[22:53] <sail> i think we’ll top that locust
[22:53] <Matt2> Noone with wheelchairs got out
[22:53] <detexb> the second building was being evacuted before the plane hit.. don’t know how many were out though
[22:53] <xstanx> how much time does it take for 10k people to get out of a building
[22:53] <Matt2> In a stairway only, remember
[22:53] <Matt2> a long time
[22:53] <Yogibear101> how many stuck in elevators
[22:53] <sail> people start piling up at the exits
[22:53] <Doc_Holiday>  I would spec a few hours
[22:53] <double_odds> no elevators, stairs only
[22:53] <lauf> dont forget there was debris fallin from tower #1 so it was hard to just walk out of tower #2
[22:53] <Matt2> Me also
[22:53] <dutch> elevators called to the 1st floor on energ
[22:53] <Mel1> 3 hrs was what I heard today
[22:54] <stockup> There was a report that there was a surprising absence og bodies
[22:54] <StephenB> well this person on nbc got out from the 82nd floor of tower 1
[22:54] <dutch> emerg
[22:54] <stockup> of
[22:54] <double_odds> he was fast! not average
[22:54] <locust> still havent heard anything about the wallstreet insiders death tolls
[22:54] <lynn> the debris is 10 stories high
[22:54] <Matt2> Ron Insana (argh) got out
[22:54] <sunnyyyy> why could they not use elevators rather than the stairs?
[22:54] <dutch> 🙁
[22:54] <lauf> stop it Matt
[22:54] <locust> morgan stanley must be through as a company
[22:54] <rac1> tasteless
[22:54] <Yojimbo> All the bodies were pancaked. This thing could have been much worse on the surroundings if it hadn’t pancaked.
[22:54] <stockup> Sounds like the majority got out
[22:54] <bizee> read somewhere worker in tower 1 called back to office told everything would be ok,   he eventually got out, but can’t find wife who was in bldg
[22:54] <lauf> Morgan Stanley is fine
[22:55] <Matt2> Hey… he was damned lucky
[22:55] <double_odds> elevators stop working after fire alarm
[22:55] <StephenB> imagine if it toppled sideways?
[22:55] <TheWallzz> double_odds, I think that is very toppy, I doubt that many have lost there lifes in NY, but Pentagon #´s really surprised me, SICK! is the word.
[22:55] <Young_Grasshopper> Morgan has like trillions in assets…this is just an office building
[22:55] <StephenB> you’d get Godzilla type destruction
[22:55] <sunnyyyy> omg stephen
[22:55] <xstanx> yep steph you could add another 10,000 i bet
[22:55] <FLA334> just wondering how all that data was being backed up in those buildings
[22:55] <Matt2> Good point StephenB.  Wonder why it did not, behaved like  a demolition
[22:55] <voltaire> I think he was renting
[22:55] <Doc_Holiday> was designed to crumble down
[22:55] <FLA334> they said stock certificates were blowing out the windows
[22:56] <double_odds> anyone above the 80-85th floor was a goner
[22:56] <Matt2> Good point, doc, it must have been
[22:56] <Doc_Holiday> all mondern buildings in citys are
[22:56] <StephenB> it’s the way buildings like that come down….has no tension strength after fire weakens the steel
[22:56] <Young_Grasshopper> its all on computers though…(unfortunately, those were in the buildings too, perhaps)
[22:56] <voltaire> compressive strength
[22:56] <StephenB> has none of that too
[22:56] <TheWallzz> I saw people jumping out WTC, better than burning alive, but its so sick, did you people see that too ?
[22:56] <double_odds> fire weakening steel?? had to be an intense heat!
[22:56] <Young_Grasshopper> yes
[22:56] <gtt> phase change around 550 degrees on steel
[22:56] <FLA334> NYC looks naked without the twin towers   will have to build 3 towers next
[22:57] <StephenB> tension strength is what is what would have let it topple sideways
[22:57] <Xeus> pics of jumpers are mixed in with the rest:  http://core.sanitarium.org/~chris/wtc/
[22:57] <locust> 150000 lbs of flaming jet fuel would do the job
[22:57] <StephenB> had neither type of strength really
[22:57] <voltaire> 1500 deg Fahrenheit with jet fuel burning
[22:57] <TheWallzz> Very sick.
[22:57] <Matt2> Steel could take 2 hrs of intense heat… then start melting.  Original architect said on news tonight
[22:57] <dutch> concrete has alot of compression and it can and will explode under stress
[22:57] <Yojimbo> There was an entry on the bldg. register for Day Care Services 83xx (xx = some more numbers). Wonder if that was 83rd floor, and if so how hard to get kids down 83 flights of stairs.
[22:57] <double_odds> not over the entire structure
[22:57] <xstanx> i would imagine the jet fuel dropping down stairways as well
[22:58] <double_odds> I dont buy that
[22:59] <sail> MW 22:56 HIJACKERS WORKED IN TEAMS OF 3 TO 5 PEOPLE — CNN
[22:59] <songw> alot of things had to go off without a hitch for these punks to have succeeded
[22:59] <Hatch> Uh, Tom Brokaw reported major world event prior to this as release of Nelson Mandela?   Feel this is much more major
[22:59] <StephenB> well they had one failure in PA….no comfort there though
[22:59] <songw> there’s no way they figured jet fuel would burn hot enough to melt supports
[22:59] <locust> no reports of looting ?
[23:00] <WILLatl> nothing to loot
[23:00] <dutch> looting in brooklyn
[23:00] <songw> there are very few stores in the financial district
[23:00] <Matt2> songw… I would not be too sure… it could be
[23:00] <prttrdr> 7 plastic knives + 7 fanatics + 7 watches  + an airline schedule + 7 times a couple of hours of flight school to steer a plane
[23:00] <DingoDog> TX atty general warning against price gouging at gas stations
[23:00] <StephenB> I saidly predicted looting earlier today…make use of the confusion and strained resources….when the going gets tough you have to be your own police/security force
[23:00] <locust> jet fuel plastics carpeting furniture all burns hot
[23:00] <Fletch> absolutly a fire will eventually bring down a metal structure if burning long enough
[23:00] <xstanx> reporting on the explosives now
[23:00] <lauf> great account of what happened:  http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010911/ts/wtc_timeline_graphic.html
[23:01] <birdman> gw  bridge xplosive story on mentioned on brian williams right now
[23:01] <FLA334> you see the pics and kind of makes you want a piece of bin Laden
[23:01] <TheWallzz> I think the Pentagon #´s were scary, cant forget that, thought it was under 100. 266 people total in the plane crashes, NY ofc will be the worst. God help the victims and there families.
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[23:01] <Fletch> fireproffing on steel usually rated for 2 hours… long enough to get peopleout
[23:02] <songw> did these guys just get arrested at the gw?
[23:02] <songw> or was it this am
[23:02] <rjc> $5 per gal in texas
[23:02] <Yojimbo> last hour, i think
[23:02] <Fletch> pentagon # are at 800 dead
[23:02] <theMAXX> still an estimate Fletch
[23:02] <matsuokah> just now song
[23:03] <rjc> 800?
[23:03] <matsuokah> but there is some doubt about the report
[23:03] <Fletch> well.. isn’t everthin an estimate at this point?
[23:03] <Suzanne> still was 1.39 at my store rjc
[23:03] <Jones> rjc, gas 5 dollar a gallon?
[23:03] <matsuokah> nyc police commissioner not confirming
[23:03] <theMAXX> gas prices haven’t budged here
[23:03] <Jones> 800 at pentagon dead?
[23:03] <rac1> i think thats 800 casualities, not nec dead
[23:03] <rjc> got call from cousin down there in texas
[23:03] <Gipper> No one is talking about it, but I bet we had to shoot down the PA plane.
[23:03] <matsuokah> and local cbs placed the explosives under the bridge, but guys were stopped at the meadowlands
[23:04] <Wizski> Gipper, military already denied that.
[23:04] <DB_Cooper> gas  http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010911/bs/attacks_gas_prices_3.html
[23:04] <matsuokah> seems like maybe cbs rushed the story out too soon
[23:04] <Gipper> Wiz yep I know.
[23:04] <StephenB> horrible picture of somebody falling: NOT for the FAINT of HEART: http://core.sanitarium.org/~chris/wtc/wtc56.jpg
[23:04] <bobby44> gip, there were postings here about that secondhand here before but has not been confirmed
[23:05] <Gipper> Funny how no one is talking about that plane.
[23:05] <JoMi> gas still 1.59 here – s it was yesterday.. western MT
[23:05] <prttrdr> gipper  that good  lets go into consipracy theories about the US govt!
[23:05] <StephenB> gas no change outside of Boston here
[23:05] <Doc_Holiday> I have found that CNN radio is better that the networks
[23:05] <sail> DJ 23:06 DJ Little-Known Rule Allows Plane Passengers To Carry Knives
[23:05] <rac1> nbc showing bodies all laid out in dc
[23:06] <xstanx> bagdad saying we deserved this
[23:06] <JoMi> sail – can carry up to 4 inch blade on planes..
[23:06] <Doc_Holiday> ?? xstanx?
[23:06] <Gipper> pr I think it was a matter of necessity.
[23:06] <JoMi> I pass AP security no problems with mine
[23:06] <prttrdr> if it happened it was
[23:06] <xstanx> saying this was the fruit of our deeds
[23:06] <FLA334> Bagdad  another good place to make dessert
[23:06] <xstanx> grrr
[23:06] <xstanx> nuke bagdad i say
[23:06] <StephenB> why is he still alive???
[23:07] <StephenB> how much death?
[23:07] <Fletch> you can carry a knife up to 3 inches, right?
[23:07] <dutch> yes
[23:07] <Young_Grasshopper> hell no
[23:07] <FLA334> Bomb Bagdad  and tell them we work for Bin Laden he told us to do it
[23:07] <sail> DJ 23:06 DJ WRAP:Israeli Tanks\West Bank -2: Tanks Withdraw
[23:07] <Young_Grasshopper> oh, really…
[23:08] <Young_Grasshopper> I am just using common sens guess I was wrong
[23:08] <JoMi> 4 inch limit – mine is 3 7/8
[23:08] <Young_Grasshopper> heheheh
[23:08] <Young_Grasshopper> Mel, how long is your shiv?
[23:08] <Fletch> i’ve had them ask me to take a drink out of my water bottle during a high alert time at LAX
[23:08] <sail> DJ 23:09 WSJ(9\12) Insurers May See Biggest Liability Ever For Indus
[23:08] <Matt2> It must be a more surgical removal of resources; general destruction only gets everyone ticked at us as a bully to be dealt with
[23:08] <Mel1> loooong
[23:09] <locust> no comments from jackson or sharpton ?
[23:09] <prttrdr> oh please
[23:09] <gtt> fox showing list of all cos in wtc
[23:09] <Young_Grasshopper> wow, can we get some fundamentalists to tell us how Morgan Stanley is going to handle this?
[23:09] <Doc_Holiday> Went to Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago…Logan made me rinse out an empty flask, because it smelled like booze
[23:09] <Matt2> locust… they probably want reparations paid to bin laden for expenses associated with this mission
[23:09] <locust> probably matt
[23:10] <prttrdr> matt2  u got that right
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[23:10] <Suzanne> guys ive mentioned it many times today, 2 things.. we have been very fortunate to be at home tonight talking on IRC about the tragic events today, and to have been fortunate enough to make money from this economy ( good or bad ) that American rights have given us, the ppl today will need support in many ways, 2 ways to directly help is to donate blood if needed and to donate money to local funds that are collecting
[23:10] <DingoDog> most ins policies do not cover acts of terrisim
[23:11] <rac1> jerry falwell says us should hunt down and anhilate bin laden
[23:11] <Matt2> Agree, Suzanne.
[23:11] <Matt2> See… Jerry ain’t so bad…
[23:11] <prttrdr> i tried to donate blood but they sent me to the alcoholic beverage control board
[23:11] <StephenB> Jerry was bound to say something I agreed with sooner or later
[23:11] <Young_Grasshopper> it is quite darkly wierd to see Fallwell say “anihillate” Laden
[23:11] <Matt2> But Stephen… do you feel just a tad dirty after admitting that?
[23:12] <Matt2> 😉
[23:12] <tck> Donated blood allready Suz,donated my fervor of being an american/
[23:12] * Yogibear101 10:50pm 09/11/01 FBI SEEKS SEARCH WARRANTS IN FLA. — CNN
[23:12] <StephenB> he has a good heart most of the time…just badly misinformed on some types of things
[23:12] <Suzanne> im sure someone is thanking you somewhere
[23:12] * Yogibear101 10:52pm 09/11/01 FBI BASES FLA. SEARCH OFF PASSENGER MANIFESTS – CNN
[23:12] <prttrdr> a few more people agreeing with the god fearing moral majority  god bless america  right   and this might now have happened
[23:12] <rac1> falwell “blow him away..”
[23:12] <prttrdr> i am serious about that
[23:12] <tck> and prayed that if any palestiamns party within a 500mile radius of my house that they die
[23:13] <FLA334> Iraq starting to poke it’s nose into this calling the attacks the fruit of American crimes against humanity
[23:13] <DingoDog> the FBI and a host of other agencies raided a computer co here in Dallas last week.. says they had links to Bin Laden
[23:13] <Suzanne> 10:50pm 09/11/01 FBI SEEKS SEARCH WARRANTS IN FLA. — CNN
[23:13] <Suzanne> fla?
[23:13] <prttrdr> people treat   godfearing moral  american christians as  jokes  and yet they are more apt to defend america than anyone
[23:13] <sail> i predict stephenb gonna be a member of the VWRC(vast right wing conspiracy) within 2 years
[23:13] <Suzanne> hrm
[23:13] <FLA334> Miami and Daytona
[23:13] <StephenB> well now I wouldn’t SAY THAT
[23:13] <locust> one lesson wallstreet better learn is to decentralize   cant concentrate in one area   stupid
[23:13] <sail> VRWC
[23:13] <Matt2> prttdr is more correct on his assertion than most would like to admit
[23:14] <prttrdr> Matt thank you sir
[23:14] <Matt2> np
[23:14] <prttrdr> i live in the heartland  and i know the heartland of this great country
[23:14] <Young_Grasshopper> We should have Dogma Brainwash ideologue contest…Get Falwell, Laden and maybe that leader Korea or China or get that representative from Watts or Jesse Jackson and have a contest to see who is more irrational?
[23:14] <AV_OUT> good point locust
[23:14] * Matt2 swigs at his jug and cleans the barrel of his pump shotgun
[23:14] <JTTrade1> whoever said most insurance policies have exclusions for terrorism…not true…http://www.claimsmag.com/Issues/April/terrorism.asp
[23:14] <prttrdr> jacuzzis  snail darters  and reparations  aint it
[23:14] <Young_Grasshopper> Have a libertarian host the game show
[23:14] <tck> Pattriots must stand untied
[23:14] <StephenB> liberals see the world as growing into 1 big happly family…and maybe in the future (far future) they may be right, but not now
[23:15] <Matt2> United?
[23:15] <JTTrade1> Terrorism is not war
[23:15] <JTTrade1> Property insurance coverages exclude many perils which, if they occurred, would be so disastrous that the insurance industry could not pay for all the loss. Excluded perils include war, rebellion, revolution, civil war, insurrection, invasion, usurped power and enemy attack, as well as nuclear-related loss. But terrorism is rarely defined as any of these perils, and it is highly doubtful that any court would allow an insurer to
[23:15] <Doc_Holiday> Dont want liberal idealology in the executive branch right now
[23:15] <Matt2> JT… that definition will change now
[23:15] <gregwmill> What happens when the markets reopen?  http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/invest/extra/7826.asp
[23:15] <prttrdr> as soon as you say  god  or america  or hearland  or morals   the liberal media immediately shunts you into the   psycho militia reaction neo nazi brigade  when really you are just a Presbyterian
[23:16] <sail> i am beat, see u guys tomrrow (if the whole country isn’t nuked tonite)
[23:16] <Matt2> doc… me either
[23:16] <prttrdr> heartland
[23:16] <Young_Grasshopper> I dont want ideology….
[23:16] <StephenB> well, these Muslims give religion a bad name too
[23:16] <Suzanne> sail, thanks for the news posts today, and good night
[23:16] <Matt2> Thoroughly agree prttrdr
[23:16] <sail> np, nite
[23:16] <StephenB> people lump all religious people together sometimes
[23:16] <Horse4> Red Cross Donations 1-800-HELPNOW
[23:17] <Young_Grasshopper> I just poking fun…I throw Democrats in there too…socialist ideologues are far worse in my opinion…just poking fun
[23:17] <Suzanne> that thanks goes for all of you that have posted news today, you guys are incredible
[23:17] <FLA334> well good night all hope all your friends and family are safe
[23:17] <Wizski> prttrdr, you mean we have presbyterians in here? wow.
[23:17] <prttrdr> this room has been great today
[23:17] <prttrdr> lol wiz
[23:17] <Wizski> nite FLA334.
[23:18] <Doc_Holiday> Sure has prt
[23:18] <Young_Grasshopper> you know this room has far more information…far faster….we need to can it and sell it to media companies
[23:18] <Doc_Holiday> Always is
[23:18] <StephenB> I turned on the TV once years ago to see Falwell sermonizing…he was discussing a visit to SF where he was at a political convention he said “…and outside the homosexuals, the nazis, the womens libbers and all the other animals of the earth”…..never forgot that extreme quote… comparing anybody to nazis is VERY extreme
[23:18] * Yogibear101 Va National Guard called to active duty
[23:18] <Suzanne> oh dear
[23:18] <StephenB> THAT is why some people don’t like the Religious Right
[23:19] <Wizski> anybody have a link for the FL search warrant posting?
[23:19] <StephenB> was talking about people on the sidewalk protesting his presence
[23:19] <Matt2> StephenB… funny… conservatives are almost always compared to Nazi’s?  Do you agree with that?
[23:19] <Doc_Holiday> Cant blame them Stephen
[23:19] <Doc_Holiday> Ignorant
[23:19] <Young_Grasshopper> good opinion in here too…pithy…not a lot of traders without opinions…
[23:19] <dabb> 11:18pm 09/11/01   NBC SAYS AT LEAST 800 KILLED IN PENTAGON ATTACK
[23:19] <StephenB> I have little patience for any NAzi comparisions….if they do…they better be REALLY bad
[23:19] <Matt2> Luckily… we are in America… we can express opinions
[23:19] <incognito> I think we will take some hard lessons from the Israelis and put armed gaurds on our planes and learn their extraordinary security measures.  They have lived with this sort of terror for a long time.
[23:20] <Doc_Holiday> yes…agree
[23:20] <Suzanne> Matt, for now
[23:20] <locust> and their citizenry is armed
[23:20] <Young_Grasshopper> I call some democrats whiny fascists..if it makes you feel any better… 😉
[23:20] <incognito> ofc
[23:20] <Matt2> Ok Suz
[23:20] <DingoDog> AP reporting people trapped in WTC are calling on cell phones
[23:20] <tck> Learned some good things about giving blood today,it reduces iron levels in men and we should give every 4 mos:Flowers will grow out of this manure
[23:20] <Young_Grasshopper> Yeah, a woman…she was smooshed together with three cops
[23:20] <bucko> cnn on gw bridge story
[23:21] <bizee> friend told me same re cell phone,  some guy trapped with 2 poliemen called his sister in PA
[23:21] <tck> lower  iron reduces risk of heart attacks
[23:21] <Doc_Holiday> CNN radio
[23:21] <bobby44> Geez, look at this :
[23:21] <bobby44> http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft.f+aol.f+dis.f+hwp.f+t.f+pg.f+ibm.f+orcl.f&d=t&m=a
[23:21] <Matt2> Just hope that we don’t lose our stomach for finding and putting these terrorists out of our misery
[23:22] <Young_Grasshopper> I know I wont Matt
[23:22] <locust> where’s the cellphone contact story url ?
[23:22] <DB_Cooper> 10:31pm 09/11/01  Police arrests 2 men for explosives  WCBS-Channel 2 News reported
[23:22] <prttrdr> the FBI had a most wanted list   and in the 30s it reassured americans when  the gangsters were caught one by one  and it was publicized….this would work wonders for terrorists    1.  Most Wanted List   2. Kill them   3. Notify the public nightly how it was going
[23:22] <Young_Grasshopper> CNN network…
[23:22] <xstanx> db what race were the guys caught
[23:22] <FiNnZ> is there anything on the wires about the new explosion?
[23:23] <DB_Cooper> doesn’t say
[23:23] <incognito> anyone with a 900 band police radio in NY can pick up cell phone calls.
[23:23] <Young_Grasshopper> where?
[23:23] <bizee> new one?
[23:23] <DB_Cooper> http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?siteid=mktw&dateid=37145.9383449074-788814917&
[23:23] <Suzanne> new?
[23:23] <incognito> I have one but I am not close enuf
[23:23] <Doc_Holiday> prt…Bin Ladin has been on that list for a long time
[23:23] <Doc_Holiday> sp
[23:23] <Young_Grasshopper> Police have narrowly averted another catastrophe, arresting two men for carrying a truck full of explosives destined for the George Washington Bridge in upper Manhattan/Bronx, WCBS-Channel 2 News reported. The report said that the men had enough explosives to blow up the bridge and its occupants if they were detonated. The suspects were arrested in the Meadowlands in New Jersey. New York City is currently under a state of emergen
[23:23] <Matt2> You know… the problem with this race issue is, that these could have been IRA members…. who were only too happy to train Arab terrorists in the 1970’s
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[23:23] <prttrdr> yup  but time to tack it up  and start drawing lines through the names
[23:24] <tck> They should take those boys out to the shed
[23:24] <incognito> they must
[23:24] <StephenB> I’d sooner walk than fly right now
[23:24] <tck> put a little tnt in their butts
[23:24] <incognito> thats too easy, tie them up and let ants eat them.
[23:25] <StephenB> or maybe take my bike….BOS to SEA should take…um 3 months maybe if I can outrun Midwest winter weather
[23:25] <tck> it is on!
[23:25] <Matt2> You realise if the perps want to expand this… they could do much worse damage via the water supplies
[23:25] <incognito> thats why I drink wine matt
[23:25] <Matt2> I think the use of jetliners was the wakeup call
[23:25] <DingoDog> link for live Nikki chart?
[23:25] <prttrdr> listen…imagine if your local police dept  wanted to get you…what would you do  where would you go…..now imagine  your state wanted to get you……..now imagine the greatest most powerful civilization in the history of mankind put its full might and power into nailing your hide  …..my point?  its not the USA resources  it has been the lack of resolve of the american people     if we really wanted to  there wouldnt be one terrorist left
[23:25] <Matt2> Imagine a toxin put into the NYC water feed from the adirondacks
[23:25] <Suzanne> <incognito> thats why I drink wine matt lol
[23:26] <Doc_Holiday> Give me a call Stephen… I would join you. Just bought a new GT
[23:26] <Suzanne> i luv you incog!!
[23:26] <Doc_Holiday> 🙂
[23:26] <incognito> 🙂
[23:26] <StephenB> put snow tires on the bike
[23:26] <Doc_Holiday> lol
[23:26] <Nichi> does anybody have a website that has good chart for nikkei right now, or know the symbol for livecharts.com for nikkei?
[23:26] <Matt2> incog… not when trading, right?
[23:26] <incognito> usually not
[23:26] <dabb> 11:24pm 09/11/01   OIL COMPANIES’ SHARES SOAR IN TOKYO
[23:26] <Suzanne> ]q ^n225
[23:26] <NadaClue>
12,0 ^N225

14 NIKKEI 225 INDEX OSA
12 10:01PM – 9773.71
4,0 -519.24

1,0(

4,0 -5.04%
1,0)
1,0C/O 10292.95/10292.95
1,0 L/H 9604.40/10292.95
[23:27] <locust> TWA Flight 800 is tied into all this  i just bet it is
[23:27] <StephenB> loved ones starting to fill the local Boston news  *sigh*
[23:27] <Wizski> http://www.allstocks.com/markets/World_Charts/world_charts.html
[23:27] <Young_Grasshopper> cnn!!
[23:27] <Suzanne> brb going to kiss my kids
[23:27] <Matt2> good idea Suzanne
[23:27] <Young_Grasshopper> the van with explosives on CNN
[23:28] <Young_Grasshopper> dude we are going to put some truth serum in those people…
[23:28] <Matt2> Young Grasshopper… the aclu will stop that right away
[23:28] <xstanx> yup
[23:28] <locust> beat the truth out of them if thats what it takes   extreme times call for extreme measures
[23:28] <xstanx> no matt
[23:28] <Young_Grasshopper> dont think so….We can make an exception…soemthing we wont see..
[23:28] <Deakons> is operation swordfish started yet?
[23:28] <xstanx> aclu wont get near them
[23:29] <Matt2> I hope you are right
[23:29] <StephenB> actually felt sick today…thermometer says 101.3 but I have far less to worry about than most tonight
[23:29] <Cha-ching> http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,310701-412,00.shtml
[23:29] <Matt2> I think bill of rights should only apply to citizens
[23:29] <Photon> National emergency… ACLU isn’t gonna stop anything
[23:29] <prttrdr> if you have a camellia bush ruined by a vole   you dont  start hunting for the one or two voles that ate its roots    …you start to annihilate all the voles in your yard.
[23:29] <StephenB> you get a cat
[23:29] <Matt2> National Emergency has been going on since 1934 or so
[23:29] <bucko> rudy on cnn again
[23:29] <dabb> 11:29pm 09/11/01   PEOPLE TRAPPED IN WTC CALLING FROM CELL PHONES-AP/CNN
[23:29] <incognito> Mayor on WPIX NY
[23:29] <prttrdr> time for some serious wholesale  well known terrorist chomping…yup  get a cat
[23:29] <DingoDog> NY Mayor on CNN
[23:30] <Young_Grasshopper> welp, there is our lead…the captured lunies…
[23:30] <Mel1> Matt…..ACLU banging isn’t gonna help us figure out what makes this country strong either….give it a break
[23:30] <prttrdr> gugliani doing a great job for ny-ers
[23:31] <Matt2> I am not bashing… it would likely happen if one did those things
[23:31] <Hatch> Disagree with ACLu
[23:31] <tck> We all must become less wasteful and more patriotic.
[23:31] <Hatch> oops out of context
[23:31] <Young_Grasshopper> Guliani is a cool head
[23:31] <rac1> 265 fireman dead, that is unreal
[23:32] * Yogibear101 11:24pm 09/11/01 OIL COMPANIES’ SHARES SOAR IN TOKYO
[23:32] <xstanx> im surprised the news not putting out more news on the guys caught with the truck load of explosives
[23:32] <bucko> no explosives in van confirmed
[23:32] <prttrdr> no explosives in van
[23:32] <StephenB> hmmph…I would have thought the very conservative publisher of backwoodshome magazine woulda been all for hunting terrorists, but he’s pleading Isolationism:  http://www.backwoodshome.com/columns/duffy010911.html
[23:32] <prttrdr> says CNN
[23:32] * Yogibear101 CNN-no van with explosives
[23:32] <Matt2> Guiliano is such a slug… but he is doing a good job with this
[23:32] <Young_Grasshopper> shoot…damn
[23:32] <tck> SB alot of those guys are cowards
[23:32] <tck> isolation is capitulation
[23:32] <StephenB> guess that’s why they run to the hills?
[23:33] <Matt2> StephenB… good conservatives would be most likely to believe in isolationism… I think
[23:33] <tck> a citizen must make his voice heard in the streets
[23:33] <Matt2> tck.. not necessarily
[23:34] <tck> Matt people need to hear their leaders
[23:34] <Mel1> isolationalism in a global economy ????shows u the validity of that theory….and I’m a union leader
[23:34] <tck> I started in my home,then my neighborhood thenhear
[23:34] <StephenB> yeah, pretty unrealistic
[23:34] <tck> Word of mouth is powerful
[23:35] <tck> never underestimate  it
[23:35] <prttrdr> over 300 firemen missing NYC
[23:35] <Matt2> Yech… Stephen… that is a pretty bad article.  He is not isolationist, he is runaway chicken… and unrealistic
[23:35] * Yogibear101 Hospital ship departs Norfolk Naval Base
[23:35] <citione> hows the hangseng?
[23:35] <StephenB> well, he’s saying don’t be world’s policman, but he’s always talking about US freedom and doesn’t seem to want to help the world fight for freedom
[23:35] <citione> still in the 900’s?
[23:35] <prttrdr> !world
[23:36] <rjc> ]world
[23:36] <Matt2> Yes… but we were isolationistic in WWI but it was necessary to be part of that war… he would have run.
[23:36] <prttrdr> ]q ^n225
[23:36] <NadaClue>
12,0 ^N225

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12 10:01PM – 9773.71
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1,0(

4,0 -5.04%
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1,0C/O 10292.95/10292.95
1,0 L/H 9604.40/10292.95
[23:36] <Mel1> I embrace global economy theory because I know the abilities of the guys I represent and they are kick-a**…..we have nothing to fear
[23:36] <rjc> ]q ^hsi
[23:36] <NadaClue>
12,0 ^HSI

14 HANG SENG INDEX HKG
12 10:37PM – 9678.32
4,0 -739.04

1,0(

4,0 -7.09%
1,0)
1,0C/O 10417.36/9687.38
1,0 L/H 9344.59/9704.18
[23:36] <NadaClue>
10,0ASIA
china
14,0^SSEA
4,0
4,0 -0.84%
HK
14,0^HSI
4,0
4,0 -7.09%
JP
14,0^n225
4,0
4,0 -5.04%
Singapore
14,0^STI
4,0
4,0 -7.63%
TW
14,0^TWII
4,0
4,0 -2.62%
S.Kor
14,0
14,0^KS11

4,0
4,0 -8.31%
Malaysia
14,0^KLSE
14 unch

[23:36] <NadaClue>
10,0Europe
Fr
14,0^FCHI
14 unch
DE
14,0^GDAXI
4,0
4,0 -3.22%
UK
14,0^FTSE
14 unch
ISR
14,0^TA100
4,0
4,0 -1.97%
Spain
14,0^SMSI
4,0
4,0 -1.99%
Swed
14,0^SXAXPI
4,0
4,0 -1.81%
Italy
14,0^MIBTEL
4,0
4,0 -0.98%

[23:36] <NadaClue>
10,0Mars
Aussie
14,0^AORD
4,0
4,0 -3.83%
N.Z.
14,0^NZ40
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[23:36] <locust> mel1 – what guys are they ?
[23:36] <Matt2> Mel1… but it reduces our independence
[23:36] <StephenB> guess he doesn’t want to fight until they are knocking on his rural office door in OR…by then it might be way too late
[23:37] <rac1> imo we cant go back now, bush said it earlier, the reason the us was attacked today is because we are the brightest beacon of freedom that exists in the world, it sounds a bit corny but the us really is the best hope for peace on earth
[23:37] <Matt2> StephenB… I think so
[23:37] <tck> 300 FDNY are missing we owe thme our voices Gdammit
[23:37] <prttrdr> this NYC firechief  i feel for
[23:37] <Matt2> rac1… I agree
[23:37] <Mel1> independence economically is a gigantic red herring
[23:37] <prttrdr> he is good man
[23:37] <Mel1> there is no such thing
[23:37] <Yogibear101> terrible loss
[23:37] <prttrdr> damn he is listing whole squads and companies
[23:37] <incognito> CNN heartbreaking
[23:38] <Matt2> Not economically… in a  combination of areas… militarily, economically, etc
[23:38] <bubbleshu> absolutely
[23:38] <Yogibear101> veterans
[23:38] <gtt> lookslike nyfd rescued thousands while losing 300 of their own
[23:38] <prttrdr> gtt yup
[23:38] <Suzanne> diane sawyer on abc making me cry
[23:39] <rac1> 300 firefighters lost in one incident, what a catastrophe
[23:39] <tck> God bless America
[23:39] <prttrdr> gulgiani  saying that rescue workers in NYC can operate in most areas now
[23:39] <Matt2> gtt… luckily it was probably a very quick end as that building fell on them.  We have a hoard of bonafide heros…
[23:39] <Mel1> how do you reconcile economic independence with the fact that we have to sell our goods to other countries???it’s economic unreality
[23:39] <Doc_Holiday> A peace that comes from fear and not from the heart is the opposite of peace.
[23:39] <Doc_Holiday> Gersonides
[23:40] <Mel1> yea gtt….I was a firefighter once and it’s really sad
[23:40] <Matt2> I am talking about independence in infrastructure.  For example, if a war were to start and we bought all steel from outside sources… we would be on our knees…
[23:40] <DingoDog> amazing story on CNN.. 5 firefighters walked out.. had no idea building collapsed
[23:40] <Suzanne> any idea if Bush is scheduled to speak tomorrow and if so what time?
[23:40] * Yogibear101 11:37pm 09/11/01 ESTIMATED 265 FIREFIGHTERS DEAD–CNN
[23:40] <bubbleshu> why do these reporters (on CNN now) ask just stupid and insensitive questions?
[23:40] <JoMi> what more can he say Suz?
[23:41] <rac1> its their job
[23:41] <`genaro> I was extremely impressed with Bush…but surprised he did not call for a National day of mourning
[23:41] <Matt2> Maybe he can answer, once and for all, the question I kept hearing reporters ask firefighters this afternoon. “Is there anything left to the building?”
[23:41] <Matt2> Talk about stupid questions
[23:41] <tck> My cousin just emailed she was uptown today,not at her office at the Wtc hooray!
[23:41] <bubbleshu> exactly
[23:42] <Matt2> good tck
[23:42] <theMAXX> good news tck
[23:42] <tck> Jesus iam happy
[23:42] <Matt2> 😉
[23:42] <AV_OUT> good news
[23:42] <Gipper> genaro I think he will do that when the dust has settled.
[23:42] <incognito> I am happy for you tck
[23:42] <tck> she is a good one
[23:42] <incognito> pray for the others
[23:42] <prttrdr> Britain  Germany  Israel Russia  stood tall for America today
[23:42] <BullTrain> ]q ^hsi
[23:42] <NadaClue>
12,0 ^HSI

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12 10:43PM – 9648.40
4,0 -768.96

1,0(

4,0 -7.38%
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1,0C/O 10417.36/9687.38
1,0 L/H 9344.59/9704.18
[23:42] <bubbleshu> for example, isn’t it obvious right now to anyone over the age of 5 that there is no way they know how many people are dead?  Yet, they keep trying to get them to give a number
[23:43] <tck> Thnx #AT
[23:43] <Matt2> prttdr… wait until we need them for action… then we will see who stands and who falls
[23:43] <prttrdr> Palestinians had a great big ol’ laughing  block party of joy
[23:43] <AV_OUT> yes bubb
[23:43] <AV_OUT> and it’s pretty clear – the building is gone too
[23:43] * Yogibear101 11:41pm 09/11/01 NY OFFICIALS SAY AS MANY AS 33 POLICE OFFICERS MISSING
[23:43] <prttrdr> brit and germany   no probs     russkijs  yup  they can hardly take care of themselves
[23:43] <bobby44> what are those dopes on national public radio saying?
[23:43] <bobby44> just curious
[23:44] <prttrdr> NPR might just be reciting passages from Lenin at this time
[23:44] <StephenB> “Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for temporal safety deserve neither to be safe or free.” – Benjamin Franklin
[23:44] <bubbleshu> and one asks “since the port authority hq is in the building, should we assume that port authority officers were lost in the collapse?”
[23:44] <bubbleshu> duh
[23:44] <prttrdr> National Public (Leftwing Propaganda)  Radio is its real name
[23:44] <incognito> we have learned from quakes that people can survive about 3 days in rubble, and if there is a water source longer.
[23:45] <locust> <– cant believe what stephenb is typing
[23:45] <Matt2> StephenB exactly.  Give up anything to the gov’t and they will never yield it to you again, and will likely take another step as soon as they see you capitulate so handily
[23:45] <rac1> arafat prob bummed out,  he is dead meat and his “people” arent gonna get squat out of us now..
[23:45] <bubbleshu> and there is probably a lot of water from the attempts to put the fire out
[23:45] <StephenB> lol locust
[23:45] <tck> There are some parts of Brooklyn they might want to leave alone if you know what i mean
[23:46] <wharton> .
[23:46] <incognito> and possible from broken pipes bubbleshu
[23:46] <citione> what i dont get is this..FBI had no clue as to this happening today and all of a sudden they seem to have solved the case
[23:46] <xstanx> arafat is scared we may nuke him
[23:46] <gtt> it appears that the majority of over 30k plus people may have been successfully evacuated, god bless those 300 nyfd
[23:46] <Suzanne> he best be scared
[23:46] <bubbleshu> what about natural gas mains, etc?  anyone said anything about that?
[23:46] <locust> arafat afriad bin laden may whack him next
[23:46] <rjc> they shut gas off
[23:46] <incognito> gas and water turned off, maybe theyought to turn water backon
[23:47] <bubbleshu> ok
[23:47] <rjc> they can get water from the ocean if they need it
[23:47] <theMAXX> i know there have been a lot of additional threats worldwide – but have there been any actual strikes any place else?
[23:47] <StephenB> you assume that just because I want to go light on the land I subscribe to all the other liberal ideas?  Well if you don’t have freedom, what is the point of a green earth?  I’d rather live in slightly dirty freedom than green totalitarinism  Besides totalitarians always treat the environment even worse than we do…show me a command control state that doesn’t/didn’t have massive pollution?
[23:47] <bubbleshu> not the people trapped
[23:47] <rerun> nite all, nice seeing everyone’s comments throughout all this, bless America
[23:47] <AV_OUT> gtt – that sounds about right – hoping fewer than 10,000 total
[23:47] <incognito> night rerun
[23:47] <rmk> q ^hsi
[23:47] <pitviper> anybody know any good biometric stocks?
[23:48] <bubbleshu> even 10,000 – an unimaginable number
[23:48] <rmk> q^hsi
[23:48] <prttrdr> no other strikes
[23:48] <Suzanne> no strikes that im aware of maxx, several bomb threats, i suspect copy cat stuff
[23:48] <theMAXX> thx
[23:48] <rjc> biometric yes
[23:48] <Young_Grasshopper> My econ prof friend sent out an e-mail to my users group..I WILL POST IT what he said…he said some good stuff.  I will space it out so you guys wont get too annoyed.
[23:48] <Wizski> Fox news reporting suspected Osam Ben Laden supporters in Broward county Florida, that’s what search warrants for.
[23:48] <JOHNNYBOY> idx biometric
[23:48] <rjc> lock & load florida people
[23:49] <Matt2> StephenB… boy… I agree with your last remark wholeheartedly.  It scares me. 😉
[23:49] * Wizski warming up the pickup.
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[23:49] <bubbleshu> first plan on cnn
[23:49] <bubbleshu> plane
[23:49] <JoMi> hope they count the number of bin Laden supporters correctly<g>
[23:49] <Young_Grasshopper> I think US markets will be off when they open by 5 to 10%. But the markets don’t need to reflect this event as an economic disaster as most of American productive assets are still intact, so it is not obvious that this incident would precipitate a longer slide. I expect government will take action about antiterrorist efforts with increased military spending. That would support defense contractors.
[23:49] <bubbleshu> who
[23:49] <rmk> !world
[23:49] <StephenB> speaking of oil, if they hit the trans Alaska Pipeline (TAP) and the flow had to be shut off quickly and for a few days, without draining the line, I’ve heard that Alaskan crude would solidfy into 1 large chapstick in the pipe…would take months to unclog it
[23:49] <bubbleshu> look at cnn
[23:49] <locust> Theodore Roosevelt is closest to my ideology
[23:49] <bucko> CNN has first plane video
[23:49] <Young_Grasshopper> As a flight to safety, money going to money markets and bonds will probably cause interest rates to fall.
[23:49] <bubbleshu> holy cow
[23:49] <prttrdr> CNN footage
[23:49] <Yogibear101> CNN has video of first plane
[23:49] <rjc> CICI is biometric but do your due diligence first Please
[23:49] <Young_Grasshopper> If middle east oil dollars feel unsafe, fearing confiscation or freezing, they could be exchanged for non dollar assets, possibly weakening the dollar. That could be a very serious import for the US economy and financial assets.
[23:49] <AV_OUT> CNN has the first plane hitting
[23:49] <DingoDog> CNN footage
[23:49] <prttrdr> my god
[23:49] <Mel1> new video on CNN on 1st plane
[23:49] <locust> loved the land and was a no nonsense type
[23:50] <bubbleshu> that plan was at full thrust
[23:50] <incognito> shocking
[23:50] <bubbleshu> plane
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> I like your perspective. We had massive loss of freedom during World War 2
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> including even rationing what food we ate. There were no cars produced from
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> 1942 to 1944. Also during the Depression Roosevelt instituted a great
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> expansion of government involvement in our lives. I’m for freedom, but
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> extreme times like this call for extraordinary measures. I fail to
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> understand the kind of hatred that would engender dozens of suicidal
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> terrorists. I do not understand Islamic Fundamentalism that supports killing
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> non Muslims.
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> SORRY
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[23:50] <bubbleshu> i bet it was going 300+mph
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> Pearl Harbor
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> I looked at what happened to the broad measure of stocks after the December
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> Pearl Harbor “Day of Infamy”: The S&P dropped from 9.37 in November 1941 to
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> 7.84 in April 1942. That was a 16% drop in 5 months, and that was during the
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> worst all out war of our generation. That data defuses some of my fear.
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> Other data of that time: The P/E was 8. CPI was growing at about 10%.
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> Dividend yield was 7%. Stocks were off 14% from a year earlier. These
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> statistics make me worry more as the P/E of 1/3 of our current level is a
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> very different base. It is hard to generalize about such extreme and rare
[23:50] <Young_Grasshopper> events.
[23:51] <Hoover> anyone up?
[23:51] <rjc> we up
[23:51] <StephenB> probably near full throttle…though if you keep that up you exceed Vne, after which the plane could rip apart…bet they were going near max velocity as best they dared so they wouldn’t break up before making target
[23:51] <Young_Grasshopper> yes
[23:51] <Suzanne> more up than we should be
[23:51] <Young_Grasshopper> lots are up
[23:51] <dumper> High al anyone here anything about a manafest comming out of broward countr ?
[23:51] * Yogibear101 11:50pm 09/11/01 ISRAELI TANKS MOVE INTO WEST BANK TOWN–AP
[23:51] <dumper> county
[23:52] <bubbleshu> good point stephenb
[23:52] <theMAXX> trying to confirm it now dumper
[23:52] <PT1> just read that the cockpit doors can be easily opened if locked, airlines need to upgrade the doors to prevent break-ins imo
[23:52] <dumper> I live in broward
[23:52] <StephenB> near sea level Vne isn’t 600 mph, but it’s still FAST
[23:52] <theMAXX> it just printed on CNN
[23:52] <bucko> DJN: =DJ US Authorities Focus On Bin Laden Supporters In Florida
[23:52] <bucko> (Dow Jones 09/11 23:53:32)
[23:52] <dumper> F-16 and F 18 flying everywere
[23:52] <theMAXX> Hollywood and Daytona
[23:52] * StephenB played Flight Simulater way too much in the past
[23:52] <rmk> I fly all the time and believe me, the plane doors are no barrier
[23:52] <bubbleshu> probably somewhere in the low 400’s
[23:52] <Hoover> Here about 20 f 15s took off about an hour ago
[23:53] <theMAXX> CNN scrolling the FL story now
[23:53] <bobby44> wher eare you hoover ?
[23:53] <bucko> Authorities were focusing some of their efforts on possible bin Laden
[23:53] <bucko> supporters in Florida based on the identification of a suspected hijacker on
[23:53] <bucko> one of the manifests of the four jets that crashed, law enforcement sources
[23:53] <bucko> said.
[23:53] <rmk> and the locks are no more than the stuff you in house door locks have
[23:53] <DingoDog> Plane Manifest leads authorites to FL
[23:53] <bucko>  The sources said the FBI was preparing to search locations in Broward County
[23:53] <bucko> in south Florida and Daytona Beach in central Florida. The locations had
[23:53] <bucko> links to the suspected bin Laden supporter on the jet, the officials said.
[23:53] <rjc> why is Florida the center of everything screwy?
[23:53] <theMAXX> http://www.cnn.com/
[23:53] <Suzanne> ive yet to hear anything from ft hood over head here, and im in edwards afb/ ft hood path
[23:53] <theMAXX> FBI targets Florida sites in terrorist search
[23:54] <Hoover> rjc, I think it is the combo of mosquitos and mickey that does it
[23:54] <StephenB> man, CNN always gets the scoop, excepting AT of course
[23:54] <gtt> arab dollars (and many other financial assets) may be temp frozen
[23:54] <theMAXX> The FBI used information from the planes’ passenger lists to obtain search warrants for more than one location in south Florida, including homes and post office boxes, a law enforcement source told CNN.
[23:54] <theMAXX> “We’re looking at south Florida ties to some of the people we’re looking at,” the source said. One search will made at a location in Daytona, the source said.
[23:54] <MrM> just like school busses have monitors, airplanes should have armed guards on board
[23:54] <Young_Grasshopper> CNN, that commie network is doing well, I regrettfully admit
[23:54] <Suzanne> heh StephenB, i am always amazed at this network and this channel to get the news
[23:54] <Yogibear101> http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/newsArticles.asp?guid=%7BA2E0646F%2D496A%2D4405%2DAD1C%2D91FD67B69525%7D&siteID=mktw&scid=1&doctype=2008&property=&value=&categories=&
[23:54] <Hoover> Daytona is such a wierd place, driving on the beach….
[23:55] <Young_Grasshopper> it is cuz you got 300 people in here…hehehehe
[23:55] <bubbleshu> I don’t understand why they would pre-announce a specific search
[23:55] <bubbleshu> doesn’t make sense
[23:55] <bucko> its probably already over
[23:55] <dumper> well that explain the F jets flying around me !
[23:56] <dumper> anyone else live in broward w/ me ?
[23:56] <Hoover> on what dumper
[23:56] <dumper> ?
[23:57] <Hoover> live in broward…..
[23:57] <Hoover> live
[23:57] <Hoover> sorry
[23:57] <theMAXX> just afyi – in case you hadn’t heard
[23:57] <dumper> you in Broward
[23:57] <Hoover> thot you were watching tv
[23:57] <theMAXX> 09/11/2001  16:15:20 ET  The Nasdaq Stock Market, the New York Stock Exchange, and the American Stock Exchange will not open for business Wednesday, 9/12/01. A trading halt is in effect for all equity securities
[23:57] <Hoover> no
[23:57] <Hoover> sorry
[23:57] <Suzanne> mother of victim on abc
[23:57] <cotton> presume markets closed wednesday ?
[23:57] <Matt2> thanks maxx
[23:57] <Doc_Holiday> agree bubble
[23:57] <theMAXX> yes
[23:57] <Doc_Holiday> just like why would they annouce GW location
[23:57] <cotton> thanks
[23:57] <tck> thnx Suz
[23:58] <rjc> they are cancelling collage football games
[23:58] <Doc_Holiday> I think that the GW spottings we falsified
[23:58] <rmk> mayors office confirmed it according to website
[23:58] <Mel1>  11:57pm 09/11/01   D.C. CONSIDERS ASKING IMF, WORLD BANK TO DELAY MEETINGS
[23:58] <Matt2> Doc… Kind of like Elvis sightings?
[23:58] <Doc_Holiday> no
[23:58] <Doc_Holiday> nothing like that
[23:59] <Matt2> They usually would not mention pres location during critical time
[23:59] <Matt2> Why do that?
[23:59] <dutch> I seriously doubt trading will be resumed until monday earlist
[23:59] <dumper> I-95 and 595 interchange in broward going into the port and Ft laurdale airport have been closed
[23:59] <beck> World Bank needs to locate bin ladens money
[23:59] <rmk> http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B8D2BBE16%2D2CD4%2D4001%2DAE1B%2DAA4D3536B893%7D&siteid=mktw
[23:59] <Suzanne> this mother on abc
[23:59] <Young_Grasshopper> http://www.luskinreport.com/luskin/latest/default.htm
[23:59] <tck> Once again Ops have been on the job keeping #at going thank you from my heart
[23:59] <rmk> The Mayor’s Office and Port Authority police confirmed the arrests, WCBS said.
Session Close: Wed Sep 12 00:00:00 2001

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